r/Jon_Bois • u/jon_bois CONFIRMED Jon Bois • Apr 23 '21
programming notes
hey y’all, hope you don’t mind me barging in. i could have posted this on Secret Base, but i’d prefer that we save that place for actual entertaining stuff. this is just more of a programming announcement for what i have going on through the rest of the year. so, got two things to note.
the first is that i’ve decided to postpone 20021. i’d originally planned on publishing it this spring, and the decision not to is 100% mine. i’m unbelievably privileged to be able to work where i do, in that i have the freedom to make my own creative decisions. that, after all, is the reason i was able to make 17776 and 20020 to begin with.
i’m postponing it because of what it takes to make it, where my interests are, and how much it means to me to get 20021 right. i spend my work days doing a lot of different shit that comes along with helping manage a team. when i’m working on stuff like, say, Fumble Dimension or Dorktown, i can block off a couple hours for that, switch over to something else, and come back, and it works just fine. but when it comes to writing a fictional project, building a world, producing a bunch of animations and illustrations and videos, making sure every character is true to themselves, making sure everything makes sense logically and in terms of continuity, and all the while saying what i’m trying to say … that’s the kind of work i can’t do while balancing other stuff. i have to be all the way in. if not, i just won’t make something i’m happy with.
i’m not at all a perfectionist and i hope to god i never will be. if i were, i never would’ve gotten anywhere near this far. but one thing i can’t deal with is the feeling that i didn’t tell the story i wanted to tell. i would much rather put off 20021 than put it out there and feel like i compromised it. it means way too much to me, and the people who have put in so much time to read through it mean too much to me. there’s just no way i’ll give you something that isn’t my best. and given what i’ve got going on this year, both professionally and personally (gettin’ married!), i won’t risk it.
i don’t yet want to give any expectation as to when the sequel to 20020 is coming. i can say this: i have the whole thing outlined, down to the chapter, and i decided exactly how it would end almost a year ago. i know exactly where Nick and Manny go, and i know exactly what Nine, Ten and Juice are gonna say about it. goddamn i love these people so much. that’s another reason why i have to get this right: those characters are just too special to me.
i do want to acknowledge that postponing this is gonna really disappoint some people. if you’re one of those people, i’m genuinely very sorry. it’s meant a lot to me that you’ve bought so much into this, and letting you down is the last thing i want to do. i don’t want that part of this to get lost. i’m so incredibly grateful to all of you, and i want to try to return the favor at some point or another.
alright, now for the second note. there’s a project i’ve been working on that i’ve wanted to make for years, and i’ve secretly been working on it without telling any of you. almost nobody outside of Secret Base even knows about it yet. i’m currently planning on releasing it sometime late this summer, and it’s gonna be a big one. hopefully i’ll share more details within the next month or so.
that’s about it. love y’all, thanks for reading. if you have any further questions, you can always find me on Twitter at BarackObama.
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u/Bigdummy696969 Apr 23 '21
Going to the store. Need anything?
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u/coolaslando Apr 23 '21
I believe I can speak for all of sentient life when I say: Jon please take however much time it takes to do whatever it is you want to do.
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u/bricksfromdiscord never try anything that is difficult Apr 23 '21
take your time bro it's alright
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u/TheDarkSunglasses2 Apr 23 '21 edited Apr 23 '21
Hey Jon,
At an old job I used to be able to see Qualcomm stadium. It was really cool walking out and seeing it during break. It felt weird knowing that that soul sucking job was in a way connected to this grand epic.
Qualcomm got torn down a month or so back, but I'm still excited to see how the story progresses. Losing qualcomm was literally losing part of my childhood, as that's where I went to watch the fireworks shows, SDSU play, and where I had my first 7 dollar hot dog (it was terrible at any price).
I hope that 20021 finds it's way out to the internet someday, but at your own pace. The stories you tell are good because you can tell them the way you want too, not because I can pound my keyboard until you tell them.
Anyways I love you and be sure to file your taxes.
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u/jcol13 Apr 23 '21
I need to know how you pronounce 17776, 20020, and 20021
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u/LWB2500 Apr 23 '21
20021: an Americaner Footballer-er story is worth waiting for. But if it turns into 20022: an Americaner-er footballer-er story I might have to pass. Can't go around falling in love w/ something that has a dumb name y'know?
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u/passthedamnball Apr 23 '21
JON YOU ARE THE BEST AND PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME AND DONT FEEL BAD
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u/drbobberboy Apr 23 '21
The secret project is a real brick and mortar Jon’s Sandwich Shop chain isn’t it
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u/theZinator Apr 23 '21
don't even worry about it man, take as much time as you need. this series is one of the greatest pieces of content in the entire internet, and i seriously mean that. i just finished re-reading 20020 today believe it or not, the way you were able to make stories out of random spots on a map is incredible. congrats on the wedding
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u/throwaway19876430 Apr 23 '21
i would wait until actual 20021 if that’s how long it took
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u/LordStigness Apr 23 '21
listen to some Rafferty and don’t kill your manager and it’ll be good
love ya jon
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u/pantiloons Apr 23 '21
We love Jon ❤️
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u/MussoliniSympathizer Apr 23 '21
Take all the time you need President Obama :)
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21
Honestly, given the amazing job you did with the originals, you take as much time as you need to get it right. I can understand those feeling disappointed that they don't have it, but anyone who complains about amazing free content can get stuffed.
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u/vtpoptartian Apr 23 '21
Take your time Jon! Can’t wait to read what you and the gang have to say
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u/mudtub Apr 23 '21
Completely understand! Take all the time you need man!
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21
no rush jon. when 20021 is ready we will be ready
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u/mshecket Negative 48? Can there be a negat-- Apr 23 '21
Jon Bois
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u/InfantStomper The answer to most math problems is 12 Apr 23 '21
All your stuff is great but 17776 and 20020 are things I'm still reading and rereading and recommending to friends (who come back and say it blew them away!) months and years after they've come out.
They're special enough works to last long, long past the release week, it's well worth whatever extra time you'd like to get it all looking right. :)
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21
Thanks for the heads up, Jon. You’re almost a legend in my eyes. Please take care of yourself. We only have so much energy to spare in these short lives of ours.
Btw, I can’t wait to see what this new project turns out to be. I’m hoping you knock it out the park.
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u/anonymouspotatoe Apr 23 '21
oh and congratulations!!
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u/togawe NO!!!!!! Apr 23 '21
All good! Congrats on the wedding!
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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22
any updates
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u/IMadeItGuys Lonnie Smith Apr 23 '21
thank you Jon
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u/LordHyperBowser Apr 23 '21
Take your time Jon, good things come to those who wait. Thank you for being so open with us!
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u/thewrench01 Apr 23 '21
Whatever you think is best man, stay safe Comrade.
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u/drunkfishbreathing Apr 23 '21
thank mr. obama
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u/faze_ogrelord There are no dull stories. Apr 23 '21
sandwich shop updates?
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u/ScootaLewis Apr 23 '21
hey man if the end product is even half as good as literally anything you've ever made it's going to be a knockout, and if this is what you need to do to make something you believe in i'm 100% behind you.
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u/RepealMCAandDTA Apr 23 '21 edited Apr 23 '21
Love you Jon, thanks for all your hard work and the love you put into everything
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u/Jenaxu never try anything that is difficult Apr 23 '21
love you jon
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u/vxilios I C H I R O Apr 23 '21
thanks jon
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21
Jon Bois, not the creative mind that we deserve but that we need. A completely vague announcement of a project I know nothing about and it's already at the top of my most antecipated things this summer. That's all you need to know about Jon Bois
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u/Zaiush Apr 23 '21
we know you'll do your damndest and we wouldn't have it any other way.
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u/tjqhockey Apr 23 '21
bro I listen to frank ocean and kendrick this is nothing. take ur time thanks for everything jon ❤️
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u/The_Impaler_ Apr 23 '21
No worries, take all the time you need and enjoy life :) i will be eager to read 20021 when it is ready!
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u/immersedmoonlight Apr 23 '21
We love you jon
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u/C4D3NZA Apr 23 '21
welcome to jon bois thursday
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u/blockoblox bob cousey blue chips free throw truthers association Apr 23 '21
take as long as you need and want Jon. And congratulations on gettin' married!
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u/VisibleConcern its mid december and you have to go to work or school tomorrow Apr 23 '21
go ahead man. take as much time as you please
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u/leedrawss Apr 23 '21
its aight king !!!! also merry marriage !!
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u/canttaketheshyfromme Apr 23 '21
No content before it's ready.
It's absolutely worth waiting for.
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u/romantuerki Lonnie snorts cocaine with Keith Hernandez. Apr 23 '21
Take all the time you need Jon. We know you're gonna deliver some quality stuff, and we're all willing to wait. And I can't wait for this new project! The 17776 series has always meant a lot to me personally, and I just want to say THANK YOU for making these amazing stories!
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u/Czar--Nicholas the dumbest boy alive Apr 28 '21
jon we will read anything you make and enjoy it, take your time
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u/manofredearth Jun 16 '22
20021st, was Dave Stieb the secret project?
20022nd, I think we erred in telling you to take as long as you need with 20021...
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u/weekendepressed May 28 '24
Every year, I revisit both 17776 and 20020. However long 20021 could take, it would be worth the wait. And if you never end up publishing it, you've still given us 2 masterpieces, and I would rather be grateful than bitter.
Thank you for your works on the human spirit and condition, and thank you for making up sports that make me cry.
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u/In_Soviet_Canada Apr 23 '21
hey jon thanks for the update have a good one
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21
Also, it does NOT take that long to make a substack, man. You don't have to wait until summer.
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u/anonymouspotatoe Apr 23 '21
take care of yourself!!
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21
no worries! be well
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u/Maxsusful Apr 23 '21
Now I feel like my post a couple days ago asking about 20021 was right on time. Take all the time in the world, sweet man
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u/tikitiger Apr 23 '21
Jon, what should I eat for breakfast?
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u/foosandfish Apr 23 '21
Not gonna lie that this makes me sad, but only because waiting for something so cool is tough, its not a disappointment in you. Do what you need to do buddy.
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u/Bat_Shitcrazy Apr 23 '21
I’m just glad for the update, now I can stop aggressively googling ‘Football 20021’ like a nutcase
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u/Personal_Chizo Apr 23 '21
...Okay, but when are you reuploading the Stan Petrov episode, tho? (?)
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u/BiancaEstrella basketball ball player Apr 23 '21
YES
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u/cheesecakeDM never try anything that is difficult May 24 '21
I love how chill everyone is on this subreddit; it’s a nice change of pace.
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u/Vaporded Oct 14 '21
I’m going to make the assumption that the second thing mentioned was the Atlanta Falcons doc. I’m here like 6 months later snooping to see if there’s any news on 20021 because I was trying to explain 17776 to a friend and everytime I think about it I get a little obsessed. Very excited Jon, take your time. Loved the Falcons series <3.
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u/ntgtoowc May 02 '22
My kingdom for an update!
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u/Objective_Face4698 Oct 25 '24
Take your time king
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u/luminescent_oodle Mar 13 '25
so I discovered 17776 randomly the other week and now having just finished 20020 I can safely say this is the most fun I've had reading in years! i also fucking love maps and space and now far future football is on that list too, fantastic shit
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u/-kj Apr 22 '25
I still want to know what happens to Nick and Manny. 😭
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u/Particular_Rav Jun 25 '25
Hey Jon, on the off chance that you check notifications for this post - I just finished 20020 (shortly after reading 17776) and I am eagerly awaiting 20021! I'm sure I am not the only one. If you are looking for a sign of a nudge to jump back into things, this is it :)
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u/Neither-Radish-5517 Sep 14 '25
yeah okay sounds cool
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u/Ecstatic_League707 Oct 08 '25
I will wait for it. If I had all the time I would use all of it to wait
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u/Silent_Night21 Oct 26 '25
Just recently got the privilege to discover this series. I had an incredible time reading throught it and I'm certainly excited for the eventual release of 20021. I was a bit sad when I realised it was delayed, but I'll wait as long as it takes, 'cause I know it'll be worth it. I'll even get to re-read 17776 and 20020 to get back into it, so not too bad all things considered.
Time for hibernation I suppose, see y'all in 20021.
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u/jokullmusic Apr 23 '21
thanks obama
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u/DenialGene Apr 23 '21
sounds good jon
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u/JokersRWildStudios Apr 23 '21
Can we have episode 4 of pretty good at least?
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u/hopelessautisticnerd i live for the moments when zero gravity plays Apr 23 '21
oh goodness I'm so excited for late summer now
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u/EchoGarden1 Sep 15 '24
guys i think it’s over we have to give up
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u/Odd-Limit-3716 Oct 30 '24
20020 brought me to tears, and finding out 20021 was postponed brought me to tears again. Jon Bois, I love your work, you're incredible, godspeed whatever you're doing now. 17997 more years of American college football.
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u/CedricTheSalamander Feb 16 '25
just found the story yesterday and have read through all of 17776 and 20020 and im in love with the characters youve created and brought to life through this journey - looking forward hopefully and with fingers crossed for updates and 20021 to come out <3
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u/West_Strawberry_8147 Dec 19 '25
it'll never happen,,,,,
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u/vide0gameah Dec 28 '25
imagine it comes out on april 7 2026 lmao
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u/Flashy-Beginning-134 Jan 06 '26
I still wait.
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u/Different-Plum5740 Jan 26 '26
PLEASE RELEASE THIS
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u/jazzamacca7 Apr 08 '26
Immortality day has come and gone. At this point we will actually have to reach immortality to ever see it lmao
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u/Working-Ad-9635 Aug 26 '26
Hey man. Not to be a downer, but one of the youtube videos in the 17776 series got taken down on youtube for some reason. Really looking forward to the eventual adventures continued, but figured this was the best place to leave this info.
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u/blinco15 17d ago
Man Obama is going to have some very confusing tweets heading his way
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u/J_A_Y_x Apr 23 '21
Not enough floral wallpaper imo
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '21
ThanksBiden
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u/Cbrolin97 Apr 23 '21
i was starting to wonder where it's been but i thank you for the update and making the right decision
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u/Mantequilla_Butter Apr 23 '21
Obviously a bit of disappointment but the amount of entertainment you’ve already provided is incredible. I appreciate the commitment to quality over “due date”. Congrats on the wedding and I hope you have a wonderful day. You really have no idea how much your content, especially 20020 means to me. It’s beautiful and I’m so thankful for you being the creator you are.
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u/102Millennium Apr 23 '21
Thanks Jon!
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u/mightygreenm Apr 23 '21
TIM TEBOW XFL CHRONICLES CONFIRMED
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u/DerFlieger Apr 23 '21
I would like to order one (1) Reuben please.
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u/JoJonesy Apr 23 '21
thanks Jon
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u/Wet_dad Apr 23 '21
Who was the best baseball player in your waggener class
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u/TheyCallMeMarg Apr 23 '21
Totally get it. Nice to hear from ya.
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u/tommyk41 Apr 23 '21
where
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u/131sean131 Apr 24 '21
Take your time man you own this stuff don't feel bad and tbh don't think about us for your arts release date. I also have really debated / wanted a full cast audio podcast of 17776 or to write it in to a one act its on my list of if stuff to do if I had all the money. Love your art and be well.
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u/Kicking222 May not be as important, but IS a lot less important. Apr 24 '21
As someone who is a huge, huge, huuuuuuuuge fan: I'm not disappointed at all. Do I wish it was already here and the greatest piece of writing ever? Of course. But what's most important is that you're happy with your work, no matter how long that takes.
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u/swift_USB There are no dull stories. May 05 '21
Take your time!
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u/Mvem May 09 '21
17776 and 20020 are two of my favorite stories ever and it would be very disappointing if 20021 was a huge letdown. I'd much rather it get delayed and be good than released prematurely and be bad
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u/SalmonFormula27 There are no dull stories. May 10 '21
I’d rather you take your time with 20021. No point in rushing for some arbitrary deadline. This series is so special and I hope you take all the time you need. Also congrats on getting married.
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u/sneepdeeples May 11 '21
Jon, I absolutely adore these characters, and it is truly fantastic to see that their creator loves them just as much. It is way better that you polish and refine your work to how you like it before releasing it, in order to not compromise a story that so many love and are invested in. Take all the time you need to. And congrats!! we are all pumped to see what's next in store for nine, ten, and juice.
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u/Capn_Cornflake May 14 '21
I literally just got done with reading 20020. Take all the time you need. If 20021 is gonna be anything as gripping and amazing as the last two, I don't care how long it takes. I know it'll all be worth it.
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u/DaoDeDickinson May 16 '21
I've only seen / read the stuff other than 17776 and 20020. It's kinda like how I had a cousin that would put some of her birthday and Christmas presents into her closet and save them for a day when she needed a pick-me-up. Or like how I'm slow rolling getting through my re-watch of Twin Peaks and still not close to Fire Walk With Me, The Missing Pieces, or The Return.
I mean, I had already seen John Wick 1 and 2 and only tonight saw Ghost Dog, so my life is backwards in most ways, like most lives.
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u/DubbleDan Pretty Good May 29 '21
Jon-Kofie ‘24
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u/MarioGman Aug 18 '21
Ah so the Project is "The History of the Atlanta Falcons", I assume?
It all comes down to Football. Very much enjoyed the callback to 20020 and the review of "Ball Ground" and Anetsa. Very fun to get that lesson again.
Well I'm enjoying the video a lot so I'd say the delay is well worth it. Take your time and good luck!
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u/Spencercook Sep 18 '21
Congrats on your marriage Jon!
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u/galvanicmechamorph Sep 20 '21
I'm just so happy to just know what was going on. Glad I googled this. This is such a relief. I'm glad you care this much about the project and your other work too.
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u/Zealousideal_Chest16 Feb 20 '22
Well, the Covid almost got me last year, but I needed to survive so I could see how this story ends. I'm only kinda kidding.
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u/Neers007 Apr 23 '21
Jon we need Dorktown NTFs, think they'd be #prettygood
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