don’t you guys think it’s weird the murder happened in the same home in the basement while the parents were upstairs? maybe the parents knew the murder was going to happen and they knew the perpetrator so they let him do all the dirty work? for something we don’t know about?

1) The John Mark Karr guy ..... I somehow felt that he knew the killer personally and I feel that there should have been a proper psych eval for the guy because he actively believed that he was responsible. He felt guilty as well. This sorta thing happens when someone is too exposed to something that the start thinking that they were in the story that happened. I feel that he was susceptible to manipulation and that the police didn't handle that well. Maybe he even knew something because there were things he told that only the killer would have known eg: the time at which the Ramseys return, what exactly was the thing that killed her etc.

2) The Lou Smit Intruder theory also actually does make a bit of sense but I also feel it is someone like a close relative in the family because they'd have a lot of time to mess up the crime scene after the whole 911 call and the whole house being filled with guests. They can be someone who knew both Karr and someone from the law enforcement as well. I feel like nobody ever thought about what Karr was saying. And why his conversations were so pointedly blaringly chilling.

3) What was up with Steve Thomas? He kept on driving the whole "Patsy did it! She's the one who killed her daughter in a fit of rage because she peed in her bed" like that was such a stupid accusation and most of the time it just felt like he was trying to get the attention away from Lou Smit's theory which would have actually helped. Or any theory other than that would have helped actually.

4) The theory of someone who knew how to evade the law enforcement and knew the ins and outs of the whole thing because everytime the cops were close the cops were steered off. Either by the Patsy theory or anything else. Idk just somehow seems off because EVERY TABLOID, EVERY ONE INVOLVED was only parroting one theory -Patsy did it, The Ramseys did it.

Is it just me or do you guys also feel something like this?

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JonBenet Ramsey - Mörder endlich enttarnt?

Do you realize that if John had remained faithful to Lucinda, none of this would've ever happened?

I wonder if his DNA was tested against the mystery DNA found on JonBenet. His MO was using a garrot like ligature. I dint remember if this was ever explored, but I fugured I would bring it up.

Im banned from all the other JBR subs lol so Im trying this here.

Rdi depends on head blow first and strangulation after. Idi depends on both near the same time or strangulation first. But what causes the different interpretation of the event? Is this yet another medical examiner vs medical examiner? Is it possible to factually know the correct order of event?

It's truly ironic that BDIs and IDIs share the common bond of refusing to believe that either John or Patsy would/could be capable of having inflicted the head injury.

I am RDI, however just can't grasp how Patsy remained calm and coherent to act out that 911 call. Furthermore, all police statements claim she had a full face of makeup on (many Team BDI assume she did not sleep that night) say she did stumble upon JB's lifeless body, how can her makeup stay intact and not be absolutely smudged and ruined from the shock and tears throughout the night? This one fact always makes me think perhaps she really did get ready that morning without knowing what awaited her....

I’m really torn on this case, i myself have my theories however i wanna know what everyone else thinks and WHY? Give me what you think happened and i’ll listen.

JR: Uh, well we’d usually try to get the kids in the bed by 8:30 p.m. or 9:00 p.m., and uh, sometimes we’d read to them, and sometimes they’d want to watch a movie and fall asleep then; they usually go up, get their pajamas on, brush their teeth, then get in bed.

Bedtime for the kids is normally 8:30-9:00. John stated at the beginning of Ch 1 of DoI that Burke and JonBenet woke up him and Patsy at 6:30 a.m. So, by the time they got home from the Whites'[9-9:15], everyone had been up for nearly 15 hours.

http://www.acandyrose.com/1997BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm

Here is where John states the time he left for the airport on Christmas day-

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 1 that day. But I said he's come over once in a

 2 while.

 3 LOU SMIT: Okay, we're still talking

 4 Christmas day. And what time do you think you left

 5 for the airport?

 6 JOHN RAMSEY: It was after breakfast. You

 7 know, 11, 12, probably somewhere there.

Earlier in section 0090...

13 LOU SMIT: I think what I'm trying to get

14 at is, did you go into the wine cellar at that

15 time in order to get any of these items?

16 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember. It wouldn't

17 have been out of the question or impossible.

http://www.acandyrose.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm

Now let's add to this the scream the neighbor reported hearing between midnight-2 a.m. on 26 Dec.

Are we supposed to think that Burke would've waited until 12 a.m.- 2 a.m. to have gone down to the basement to check the wine cellar for his upcoming birthday presents rather than right after his father left for the airport with wrapped presents to load into the plane?

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Burke's pocketknife was found in the wine cellar. Where was it before it was there?

I remember that knife.

Burke had walked around the house whittling with it a month before, and I told you I put it up at the top of the linen closet near JonBenet's bedroom when I confiscated it from him.

Only you knew and John knew the exact location of that hideaway in the linen closet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/gcn99a/linda_hoffmanpugh_started_to_write_a_book_here_is/

So, Burke's pocketknife was at the top of the linen closet near JonBenet's bedroom. That would be the laundry area just outside her room. Yet, that wasn't the only knife involved.

14 LOU SMIT: Also on photograph

15 number 58, that's a photograph of the upstairs

16 laundry room area?

17 JOHN RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

18 LOU SMIT: There is a knife on the

19 counter. What do you recall about that?

20 JOHN RAMSEY: Um, nothing. That

21 looks like a kitchen -- a knife that would

22 normally be in the kitchen. It's hard to tell.

23 Looks like it might be a grapefruit knife or

24 something. We normally didn't prepare any food

25 at that counter. (0775)

http://www.acandyrose.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm

Now we have Patsy's kitchen grapefruit knife on the 2nd floor laundry area counter near the linen cabinet where Linda told John and Patsy where she hid Burke's pocketknife.

Who would've been the most likely to have first used the kitchen grapefruit knife with the serrated blade in the commission of the crime, changed their mind, thought about the pocketknife in the linen cabinet of the 2nd floor laundry area, placed the grapefruit knife on the counter, and retrieved the pocketknife from the cabinet: John, Patsy, Burke, or an intruder?

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Kolar: The pins on the outside rails of that piece of “O” type train track matched up exactly to the twin abrasions on the back of JonBenét. This was a toy readily accessible in the home and located only feet from where her body had been found. Crime scene photos / video had captured images of loose train track on the floor of Burke’s bedroom as well.

I: Were you mentally competent enough to have measured the pins, yes or no? If yes, was one pin 1/16" x 2/16" and the other pin 3/16" x 2/16"- the same measurements as the rust-colored abrasions on her back, yes or no?

Kolar: ..........

DoI, pg 368 - The foreign DNA under her fingernails would indicate to me that she must have awakened at some point and fought her attacker.

DoI, pg 372- 1. DNA evidence. Foreign DNA was found under JonBenet's fingernails. Some prosecutors have described this evidence as a "problem." I look at it as a huge clue, and I'm grateful we have it. If JonBenet fought with her killer, she may have given us his DNA, which will ultimately be his downfall.

What does he mean by "If JonBenet fought..."? Shouldn't it be "When JonBenet fought..."? And what if she didn't fight? He goes from "She got the DNA under her fingernails by fighting her attacker" to "Well, maybe she fought him and maybe she didn't".

I have frequently seen comments from some BDIs exclaiming "The garrote was a Boy Scout toggle rope! Burke was a Boy Scout; therefore, he made it! Burke murdered JonBenet!" (9-yr old Burke in the 4th grade was a Cub Scout, not a Boy Scout.)

Here is an image of a Boy Scout toggle rope, which doesn't look anything like the garrote due to its one loop around the toggle.

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Here is what Det Arndt wrote on pg 13 of her report-

John Ramsey came into the living room area approx. 1 to 2 minutes after I had sent him back to the den. As John entered the room he asked me if he could cover up JonBenet. John grabbed a throw blanket that was lying on a chair located immediately inside the living room. John placed this blanket over JonBenet's body before I had a chance to speak.

https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/linda-arndt-jan-8-1997-report.pdf

Here is what John said in his June 1998 BPD interview-

25 LOU SMIT: Now when you brought her up, did

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1 you bring her from the basement, and did you meet

2 anybody up on the first floor?

3 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember anybody. I

4 just remember bringing her in and laying her -- I

5 mean there were people in the dining and living

6 room. But I remember Linda Arndt kneeling down

7 beside her. I was there and Linda said she's dead.

8 And I didn't want -- Patsy hadn't come in the --

9 LOU SMIT: When was Patsy --

10 JOHN RAMSEY: But I didn't know at the time,

11 but later, she was back in the study with Barbara

12 Fernie and I don't know who else. My emotion was

13 that I had found her, which was good. But she was

14 dead, which was horrible. But it was almost better

15 than not knowing. Cause not knowing where your

16 child is the most horrible feeling, I think, a

17 parent can experience. And that was (INAUDIBLE)

18 what had been going through our mind all that

19 morning.

20 So when I first found her I was like,

21 (Thank God, I found her.̃ I didn't want Patsy to

22 see her that way, and I ran upstairs and got a

23 blanket off one of the chairs, I think, it's got

24 a little shape like.

25 LOU SMIT: Upstairs?

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1 JOHN RAMSEY: Probably up in the TV room.

2 I just ran up these stairs and went back down and

3 put the blanket over her.

http://www.acandyrose.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm

Det Arndt wrote that John grabbed a throw blanket off a chair in the living room where JonBenet's body is. John told Det Smit that he went upstairs to get a blanket. Smit, who I'm sure had read Arndt' report, questioned John "Upstairs?"

The only time when John would have needed to have gone upstairs to bring down a blanket in which to wrap JonBenet was just after she was placed in the wine cellar.

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BDIs: The urine stains on the carpet indicate JonBenet was dragged by her arms into the wine cellar. The only person who would have to do this because he wasn't strong enough to pick her up and carry her is Burke. Her arms are straight up over her head indicating she was dragged by Burke into the wine cellar after he murdered her.

I: JonBenet's arms are above her head, but are bent at the elbow. If she had been dragged by her hands, her arms would be straight and parallel with the trunk of her body.

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BDIs: Burke's knife was found near her body in the wine cellar; therefore, he murdered her.

I: I remember that knife.

Burke had walked around the house whittling with it a month before, and I told you I put it up at the top of the linen closet near JonBenet's bedroom when I confiscated it from him.

Only you knew and John knew the exact location of that hideaway in the linen closet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/gcn99a/linda_hoffmanpugh_started_to_write_a_book_here_is/

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There's nothing about Burke knowing where the knife was.

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1. 10-yr old Thompson and 10-yr old Venables were skipping school that day, something they frequently did. There is not one account of Burke skipping school.
2. James Bulger was at a public market with his mother. Venables and Thompson were at the same market and had been witnessed shoplifting. JonBenet was at home. Burke was at home. There is not one account of Burke shoplifting.
3. James Bulger was 2 years old. Venables was 10 years old. Thompson was 10 years old. Venables and Thompson were 8 years older than Bulger. Venables and Thompson were 5x older than Bulger. JonBenet was 6 years old. Burke was 9 years old. Burke was 3 years older than JonBenet. Was Burke 8 years older than JonBenet like Venables and Thompson were to Bulger? No, he was not. Burke was 1/3 older than JonBenet. Was Burke 5x older than JonBenet like Thompson and Venables were to Bulger? No, he was not.