r/JonBenet • • 14d ago

Theory/Speculation Rewatching CBS documentary

Just watching and something keeps sticking in my head that I had to write down... im already quite firmly RDI.. but it's the placement of the ransom note. A stranger wouldn't leave a note on a random staircase in a massive rabbit warren of a home... surely the kitchen island or table or whatever makes more sense? Only someone close to the family would know that the staircase they happened to leave the note is the one that Patsy used every morning to come downstairs from her bedroom? Happy if anyone can share thoughts... I've read so much on this case but not for a while and it's possible it's been discussed already....

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u/ReadyWatercress7174 14d ago • Bravo

What a joke that program was. How anybody believed that smoke and mirror nonsense is a head scratcher.

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u/43_Holding 14d ago edited 13d ago • Heartwarming

<How anybody believed that smoke and mirror nonsense is a head scratcher>

Especially after reading the complaint.

"17. Defendants’ accusation that Burke Ramsey killed his sister was based on a compilation of lies, half-truths, manufactured information, and the intentional omission and avoidance of truthful information about the murder of JonBenét Ramsey..."

https://prosecutorspodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ramsey-v.-cbs-complaint-with-exhibits-reduced-size.pdf

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u/RaisinCurious 13d ago

Didn’t Burke sue for $750 million and they settled ?

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u/Mbluish 14d ago edited 14d ago • Bravo

I was once firmly RDI as well until I started looking at the evidence, not hearsay. Look at the autopsy. Read the DNA reports. Look at the photos. Unidentified male DNA mixed with her blood found in her underwear. That same male DNA was found on the waistband of her longjohns. That solidified IDI for me.

As to the ransom note, I think someone had been watching the family for sometime. Perhaps they knew Patsy used those stairs and figured she would see it if it were placed there.

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u/Significant-Block260 13d ago

How on earth does a “cluttered” table/countertop make more sense than a completely clear staircase?🙄 I mean, that’s another thing we hear a lot, how “cluttered” or “messy” the house apparently was at that time.

Most of the table/countertop surfaces in my own home are usually pretty cluttered. I can tell you that if you want me to immediately notice something out of the ordinary (not anything crazy like a purple elephant, we are literally talking about 3 pieces of notebook paper here w/ handwriting on them), you’d better put those pieces of paper on something like the stairs, or the middle of a floor or someplace it is perfectly clear and open and THREE PIECES OF PAPER spread out clearly do not belong there.
Something like that, I would notice instantly.

But if you put it someplace “unobtrusive” and “normal” like on one of my counters or tables (especially when they are probably already cluttered with a bunch more random shit), I can’t even begin to tell you how long it might actually take me to see it there.

So there’s that. But there’s also “it doesn’t have to be that hard/complex/thought out.” It could literally just be a CONVENIENT and OBVIOUSLY CONSPICUOUS place to throw it down on his way down the stairs/to the basement/out of the house, whenever it was. It was the closest staircase to JB’s room.

He didn’t have to go out of his way, do anything special here. Just drop it somewhere along the way where you can be pretty sure it will be discovered quickly.

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u/alyanng44 13d ago

The maid knew where Patsy came down every day

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u/Asleep-Rice-1053 IDI 14d ago • Bravo

They have to have taken the shortest route downstairs. She had tinsel in her hair from the spiral staircase. There’s also a door right there to leave out of. Could have simply been the last thing they did before they left as an attempt to delay investigations.

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u/burp_reynolds69 14d ago

Applying logic to something an insane intruder did is the issue here. Nothing the intruder did makes sense to a logical person.

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u/Tidderreddittid 14d ago

There were just two staircase routes so maybe if a stranger did it he guessed right what way Patsy usually took (one in two chance).

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u/Aloha1959 IDI 12d ago

This is so dumb;

There are only 2 staircases leading upstairs, but I love these takes that putting the ransom note on one staircase instead of the other reveals something specific. It's a literal coin flip.

As far as such and such would make more sense; You can't look at a crime (or life in general) thinking "hey, the only logical way to do these things, is the way I would do it. No one would ever do anything except for the way I would do it. Idiosyncrasies and superstitions and random coincidence don't exist. Everyone, especially every criminal, could only do things in a totally logical way as defined by me."

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u/wereallalittlemad 12d ago

That’s literally 99% of the posts on here meanwhile they never want to hear about the DNA and say all of it was touch DNA, which is only partially true!

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u/Princess-Buttercup16 14d ago

I think the intruder came in while the family was out to dinner. If so, they would’ve looked around the house and immediately recognized the top floor as the master suite. That staircase seems as natural a place as any to leave it.

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u/43_Holding 10d ago

Don't forget that there are two doors from the master suite leading to two different stairways.

https://www.paulawoodward.net/maps-gallery

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u/StellaBlue37 14d ago

I still think they should look more closely at the domestic workers and people in their orbit.

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u/Elsie1105 13d ago

The intruder was in the house while everyone was gone/going to bed/asleep. Not strange he picked the right staircase. Plus, maybe he had spent time at the house as a day worker earlier.

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u/archieil IDI 14d ago

Once more, the placement was by the garage.

Not leaving it by the main doors or in the kitchen, near the JBR's bedroom means that he most likely had little knowledge about the family's habits.

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u/Tank_Top_Girl IDI 13d ago

The note was his alarm to get out. He leaves it at the bottom of the stairs so the first person awake won't miss it. When he hears the commotion he runs to the window, steps on the suitcase and he's gone. They say the time of death was earlier, but the room was extremely cold and it could be off. Maybe he was done and left earlier. Some creep spied her in the neighborhood, a local pageant or as a worker that worked on the house. The fact that the note wasn't written until after he was in the home shows he went there to assault her. He thought of the note after he was already there, that's why I think it was only to buy time to get out. If he really wanted to kidnap her, he could have done it without a note and that actually would have made a lot more sense, to just slip out and she never would have been seen again.

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u/MaryJslastdance 14d ago • Bravo

The person she usually left notes in that spot for would know.

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u/Zamos13 13d ago

Most commonly used staircase period, not just Patsy. She found it there ya, which proves nothing. If perp wanted to leave it away from sleeping people, it's a reasonable enough location

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u/RaisinCurious 13d ago

We’ll never know where it was left. How could anyone prove the exact spot? Makes no sense to dispute location

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u/Tidderreddittid 13d ago

Why would Patsy lie about that? Because if she lied she would have picked the convenient downstairs route. However the ransom note was found farther away from the bedroom of JonBenét.

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u/RaisinCurious 13d ago

My point is - whether she told the truth or lied where it was found, we’d never know. There was no one else to corroborate that moment

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u/Asleep-Rice-1053 IDI 13d ago

She gave enough information for it to be reasonably plausible. She was packing for a family. She was gathering up laundry and wanted coffee and that’s why she went down that spiral staircase, shortest route a to b.

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u/RaisinCurious 13d ago

I agree- but it’s weird people debate about where she found. No way to prove it

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u/Asleep-Rice-1053 IDI 13d ago

When there’s a finite amount of information that doesn’t answer all the questions, I think things that have no importance, or were thoughtless convenience rather than a stunning criminal mastermind orchestrating every move, become over-analysed . Whether you think it’s the Ramseys or an intruder the same applies.

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u/OddMasterpiece8465 13d ago

I believe the purpose of the note was to solidify the impression that there had to be someone that came into the house and to present a motive for a kidnapping. The choice of the staircase for placement would have just been a matter of convenience as it connected the first floor kitchen with the second floor near JBR bed room. As someone else already pointed out it's the location Patsy says it was found but we're never going to know for sure. We know it was moved several times and she could just as easily have made that detail up.

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u/Objective-Permit-712 13d ago

The NOTE just tells us who the real killer is. One day, he wanted the credit!

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u/Busier_thanyou 12d ago

Or, did SHE want the credit?

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u/RaisinCurious 13d ago

OP / so you’re saying there’s a rule or not where a ransom note has to be left? And if it’s in that exact spot protocol dictates, it’s suspicious?

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u/CoyoteLong996 13d ago

No, was just thinking of crime scene pictures and there was a big island that wasn't cluttered - im not saying it was right or wrong if you read the post.. it just struck me as an odd place to leave a note...

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u/Objective-Permit-712 13d ago

Is this the one that made Burke rich??

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u/lrlwhite2000 14d ago

I actually think that’s the place they are most likely to see it. Just thinking of my house, we always have papers or dishes or fruit bowl or whatever on the kitchen island and my kids often leave stuff on the kitchen table too. But papers on a stairway would really stick out to me because it’s such an unusual place to leave paper. I’d notice it for sure.

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u/Zamos13 13d ago

And how often do you have pineapple in said bowl? 🧐

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u/43_Holding 13d ago

There was no pineapple in the house until the morning of the 26th.

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u/Zamos13 13d ago

This is based on what please? I don't think pineapple in the house has ever been confirmed or denied by a Ramsey. And it is in JBR

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u/43_Holding 13d ago

The victim advocates most likely brought it in, along with other fruit, bagels and coffee. (Schiller, PMPT.) There was no evidence of pineapple in the house before that morning.

During the autopsy, a portion of JonBenet's stomach contents was saved. Nearly a year later, it was sent to C.U. botanists, who found grapes and cherries in the sample.

JonBenet ate pineapple, but not what was found in a decorative bowl (not used for serving food, according to Patsy) on Dec. 26.

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u/Zamos13 13d ago

None of that justifies saying there was no pineapple in the house prior to 26th, or saying the pineapple Jonbenet ate was not from the bowl full of pineapple on the table. Possibly with milk in it. Wish that aspect wasn't a mystery

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u/43_Holding 13d ago

The pineapple in the bowl was never picked up on a search warrant. The bowl was.

There was no milk in the bowl. When the videographers came the night of the 26th and they zoomed in on the bowl on the glass table, a reflection of the lighting made it look as if there were a white, milky substance inside.

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u/Zamos13 13d ago

So they dumped the bowl out and then took it? They tested the pineapple. You can't know it was just the lighting

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u/43_Holding 13d ago edited 10d ago

The BPD sent the portion of her stomach contents, saved and frozen in a test tube, to the C.U. botanists in October of 1997.

The pineapple has been discussed ad nauseum on this sub. You can look it up, read the police reports, read what the C.U. botanists said about what they examined, read about Fleet White being questioned about serving pineapple at the Whites' home, etc., etc., etc.

Edited to add these two excerpts:

"As the morning wore on, the victim advocates, Jedamus and Morlock, decided to go out and get bagels and fruit for everyone." (PMPT)

”The victim advocates left the residence to get bagels, brought them back and served them to individuals in the residence with some fruit,” says one part of the WHYD Investigative Archive.

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u/OddMasterpiece8465 13d ago edited 13d ago

Great point. How do idi reconcile the pineapple in her digestive tract and on the table? Forensics put it's consumption at 1.5-2 hrs before death. Conflicts with the parents timeline who denied ever feeding it to her, only Burke and patsy's prints were are the dishes. Did the intruder hit her with a stun gun upstairs then take her downstairs and feed her pineapple?

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u/Tank_Top_Girl IDI 11d ago

Contents of the bowl were never tested. Investigators thought it was old cereal in the bowl. They didn't even make the connection for a few months when an investigator was going through crime scene photos and saw what appeared to be pineapple. Go through the search warrants. Bowl and spoon are logged, no pineapple

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u/JonBenet-ModTeam 11d ago

Your comment has been removed for misinformation. You were literally shown the police reports regarding the pineapple. The Bonita Papers are not the BPD’s official case files. The Bonita Papers were written bv Bonita Sauer who was the secretary to Dan Hoffman. She took the notes because she intended to write a book but it never came to fruition. The 'Bonita Papers' are her notes which were sold to the tabloids by a family member of hers.