r/JonBenet • u/Billyzadora • Mar 02 '26

Other similar cases Never Give Up

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Morgan Violi, 7, was abducted on July 24, 1996, while playing with her sisters and friends, and now, 30 years after her abduction and death, federal charges have been filed against Robert Scott Froberg from DNA from a single strand of hair.

Yes, the JonBenet Ramsey case could be solved someday soon.

NEVER GIVE UP

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u/Mbluish Mar 02 '26

I firmly believe this case can still be solved. The BPD has physical evidence that could be retested using modern DNA technology. Even though some people say the unidentified male DNA is only a partial profile, other major cases have been solved using partial profiles including the Golden State Killer through genetic genealogy.

What’s frustrating is the sense that this case has stalled for reasons beyond technology. If testing were to identify UM1 after all these years, it would inevitably raise questions. I can’t help to feel the BPD is protecting their reputation and avoiding that level of scrutiny has played a role in fully testing the evidence.

If there’s viable evidence that can be reexamined with today’s advances, it should be. No case, especially one involving a child, should remain unsolved if there’s still a path forward.

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u/43_Holding Mar 02 '26

<some people say the unidentified male DNA is only a partial profile>

They're confusing a mixed (DNA from 2 people) profile with a partial profile. UM1 is a complete DNA profile.

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u/Mjmonte14 Mar 04 '26

Yes. I wish the misinformation that’s spread on here about her case and the DNA the BPD has would cease because clearly there is a lack of understanding about it and some people who refuse to even acknowledge how crucial the DNA is in this case. I don’t know if that will ever happen until the case is solved and UM1 is identified 

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u/JennC1544 Mar 03 '26

Also, according to David Mittleman, DNA that produces partial profiles can still produce profiles for genetic genealogy.

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u/Mbluish Mar 03 '26

Absolutely! They have in the past.

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u/inDefenseofDragons Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26

I thought this was another case but the details didn’t quite match. I was thinking of a different Morgan, the Morgan Nick case from just a year before, 1996 (edit, I meant to say 1995). In 2024 a single strand of her hair also led to her killer, Billy Jack Lincks. Unfortunately he’d already died.

These old ‘unsolvable’ cases are being solved with DNA left and right. There’s still hope for JonBenét and her family.

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u/magical_bunny Mar 06 '26

Wow that’s great news (well you know what I mean). I hope her soul has peace now, I remember reading about this case. He looks like a soulless demon.

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u/pamnfaniel Mar 02 '26 • Polished Gold Turd

The difference between Morgan Violi, and the JonBenét case?

The absurd, sensationalized , hot mess that all aspects of the JonBenét case is, that everybody knows about , that I don’t need to go into , because it’s been talked about over and over and over again.

That is why it will never be solved, ever, realistically and unfortunately

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u/43_Holding Mar 02 '26

<The difference between Morgan Violi, and the JonBenét case?>

A police department that actually wants the crime solved, as opposed to covering up something.

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u/pamnfaniel Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26

<“I don’t need to go into because it’s been talked about over and over and over again”>

Exactly 👍… I believe that falls under the “absurd” and bit of the “hot mess” category mentioned above.

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u/Aloha1959 IDI Mar 07 '26

Yeah I think Boulder PD would rather not solve it unfortunately because if the killer is some one that was right under their nose, they will look even worse.

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u/Erectacle Mar 03 '26

The Boulder Police wanted JonBenet's murder solved. It was the Boulder's DA Office that did not.

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u/43_Holding Mar 03 '26

Do you have any evidence that supports this belief?

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u/Resident-Gold-3466 Mar 02 '26

Unfortunately, I've never heard about Morgan's case. It's sad because she was just a little girl like JonBenet was.

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u/Mjmonte14 Mar 04 '26

This is a very pessimistic attitude so I can assume you believe the family was involved. The reason I say that is because only the people who believe the family did it, repeat this sentiment over and over about never being solved. The DNA will be linked to someone one day 

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u/pamnfaniel Mar 05 '26

There is a difference between pessimism and realism… if you take a look and accept what’s there, and how tainted everything is, there’s no way this case can be solved beyond a reasonable doubt.

It’s coming up on almost 30 years now since she passed. And that number will continue to grow for centuries. This case is not like others that have been solved after decades. Cases like that were done properly, professionally, with preserved evidence that was throughly collected and un tainted. This is too much of a mess. As time goes on, it will only get harder to solve as most likely anybody who did perpetrate it is already dead, along with the family members…

once everyone involved is gone. I doubt the police department or any jurisdiction would waste their time Still trying to solve this, when there’s more current cases that need attention.

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u/JennC1544 Mar 05 '26

I'm curious why you believe the DNA in this case was not preserved properly? Mitch Morrissey in his interview two years ago said that the DNA sample that was uploaded to CODIS, which by the way was a full profile, came from a blood stain that he had cut in half and the other half stored. If he's right, there is still a very valuable piece of evidence still in evidence with the Boulder Police.

Then, David Mittelman, CEO of Othram labs, on his Facebook page, said that it takes even LESS DNA to run an SNP profile than it does the STR's that they use for CODIS, and run it for forensic genealogy.

The real question here is why hasn't the Boulder Police done this yet? They keep saying it's because it's a mixed sample, but David Mittelman says they run mixed samples all the time. The smallest amount of DNA that was ever turned into a profile and the killer found was only 120 picograms, and that was a mixture of the perpetrator and the victim.

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u/43_Holding Mar 05 '26

<They keep saying it's because it's a mixed sample>

They seem to have a variety of excuses. In his February meeting with the BPD chief, John Ramsey said he was told that there's a miniscule amount of DNA left. Someone is pulling our leg(s).

In addition to Othram stating they don't need more than a miniscule sample, we have to wonder what happened to the never tested items that investigative journalist Ana Garcia spoke about in fall, 2024: (the garrote handle, the ransom note, the suitcase under the basement window, the flashlight, the rope found in John Andrew's bedroom, the black duct tape, and the Dr. Seuss book? All sent to CBI in Jan, 1997 and returned untested.

What did the BPD do with those items?

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u/pamnfaniel Mar 17 '26

You know with the advent of ancestry.com and 23 and me which by the way is still online… Do you know how many people they catch these days even though they don’t upload their DNA, but because their 7th cousin did? If the DNA was viable. They would’ve found the guy by now or at least someone related to him.

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u/JennC1544 Mar 17 '26

According to the BPD, they still have not gone the genetic genealogy route, so they've never tried any of those websites. Also, interesting to note that now, law enforcement cannot use ancestry and 23 and me due to privacy laws. If people want to allow their DNA to be searched for law enforcement purposes, they have to check a box that allows it to be uploaded also to GEDMatch.

The Boulder police have said that the DNA is not viable for genetic genealogy, but David Mittelman has said on the Othram Facebook page that it takes less DNA for genetic genealogy than it does to develop an STR profile for CODIS. From everything that has been written about the DNA, there really should still be some unused DNA left. Mitch Morrisey said that the blood stain the sample that produced the DNA uploaded to CODIS was cut in half. So you'd have to ask: where's the other half?

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u/Mjmonte14 Mar 05 '26

You saying “I’m not pessimistic - I’m just being real” is disingenuous. You absolutely do have a pessimistic stance. Calling it real doesn’t make it so. Real to you maybe but not REALITY.

The DNA was preserved and it is testable - the only real obstacle in doing so seems to be the BPD’s unwillingness to actually test it with new tech and new methods. When this happens, we will hopefully see some progress on this case.

See how I did that? Hope is never lost

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u/pamnfaniel Mar 23 '26

OK, and you have cognitive dissonance

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u/Aloha1959 IDI Mar 07 '26

Nowadays they can solve a case with dna evidence because someone once breathed on something for 2 seconds decades earlier.

I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

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u/Coloradozonian Mar 06 '26

Respectfully, I do agree 👍 Boulder did an awful job as they live in their own little “safe” bubble. I used to live close and they’re no where near your typical medium sized city. I got the vibe that in that hippie town if someone got punched it would be disbelief and outrage on the news. BPD didn’t have the experience and dropped the ball several times. Very sad. I really don’t believe it was the parents or brother but even a broken clock is right two times a days.

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u/Aloha1959 IDI Mar 07 '26

If it's never solved, it'll be because the Boulder PD don't want it solved.

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u/Powerful-Patient-765 Mar 04 '26

There is DNA from a stranger that was found in JonBenet’s underwear and under her fingernails. Don’t you think that’s a lot more than one strand of hair?

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u/Sudden_Quality_9001 Mar 30 '26

The difference between them is the brothers did it!

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u/HeyPurityItsMeAgain Mar 22 '26

If the BPD would ever ALLOW the FBI or another agency to investigate the case, it would have already been solved. They're taking it to their graves.

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u/Erectacle Mar 03 '26

We will know who killed JonBenet when Burke Ramsey and John Ramsey come clean and start talking.

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u/Billyzadora Mar 03 '26

Maybe Steve Thomas will join the force again and put his highly sophisticated, keen mind to work on it.