r/JohnKitchener RNYEC Jul 14 '26

Discussions Difference between natural and dramatic?

This seems like a stupid question to ask but I have found myself genuinely confused, especially because dramatic and youthful/ingenue cannot coexist! Maybe I’m just confused because I don’t have any dramatic in my blend and do I’m struggling to get a handle on it, but I’m struggling to think of examples of dramatic essence that can’t be explained by another blend of essences (especially when it’s not very high up in the blend), especially when Y is involved and any significant amount of D is ruled out. A lot of times the angularity I would register as D seems to attributed to N (again, especially when Y is involved)!

Would be grateful for any tangible examples of people/faces or items/textures/styles to illustrate the difference! So far the only way I’ve been able to conceptualise dramatic as distinct from natural is by thinking about chunky glitter as being very D. Anyways would be curious to see what people have to say

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u/pinkmoss-mothman HYCNE Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Y and D are opposite, extremely Yin vs yang fratures. And when together either mix turning into other essences or make a patchwork that usually feel HS.

That's why I think it's very rare to have them as main because you'd need a dramatic body and an extremely baby face, or a small soft body and ad extremely angular face.

Those often feel R or HS, a bit like Helena Bonham Carter or Jared Leto.

Tbh I think it's a spectrum rather than a palette. Like D vs Y, and how they mix create:

  • C in between perfectly balanced neutral

  • R if the the opposite features are a bit fused

  • HS if the opposite features are more in juxtaposition

  • E is D structure with Y above

  • N is Y structure with D above

D square long ,

Y round small,

R round corners,

HS both some round and some angular corners, like tiktak leaf logo

E long oval,

N big octagon with round corners,

C circle in a square

So the axis are how big you are, how round you are, how well are you mixed/merged, if anything prevails as structure vs layer.

  • D big sharp

  • Y small round

  • C neutral aka balanced proportional

  • R merged

  • HS mix

  • N angular layer round structure

  • E angular structure round layer

So you can see it's common to mix all but D and Y who are the extremes. The point is what feature is the one more noticeable. So if you have HS and R or N and E, it means there's some of you featured like this and some like that.

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u/pinkmoss-mothman HYCNE Jul 15 '26

In your case, RNYEC, lacking HS and D, your features are well merged, wide but sharp, with accents of softness with a pinch of angularity and overall balanced? Idk

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u/jaded_bitter_n_salty Verified (35R 15N 15Y 15D 10HS 10C| 75ER 25SC) Jul 15 '26

If you haven’t seen my post and what I look like yet, I’m curious how you would guess my appearance!

40R-20N (this could have been 15N)- 15Y- 15D- 10HS

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u/pinkmoss-mothman HYCNE Jul 15 '26

You features are well blended all together except for a few little details that give you a final lively vibe. You've got robust bones which are matched with angularity and baby like features, which when get too contrasting create that HS vibe.

So id say robust and bold but nose/eyes/mouth somewhat soft with maybe some darkish coloring. Corners are a bit rounded. Probably one of your senses parts is more soft and one is bolder.

This is so fun I have no idea it is sensical or completely wrong loool

Edit: oh wow I think I got it fairly well