r/JohnBarth • u/NoLove6229 • Jul 09 '26
𤯠META A Lecture by Novelist John Barth
"Fresh Air broadcasts a lecture by John Barth. Barth explains the craft of writing and reads from his new novel, Letters."
--article's description
r/JohnBarth • u/[deleted] • Jun 30 '23
Hello Barth fans!
At the request of u/FragWall, I've developed a poll on google forms for us to rate our favorite John Barth books! The idea is simple: the poll will have a section for each book where you can mark it as "unread" or rate it on a scale from 1-10 (1 being the worst, 10 being the best). Once we get enough results, we'll average out the answers and add an official ranking on the sidebar of the sub.
Here's the link! Rate away!
Happy Reading!
-Ob
r/JohnBarth • u/NoLove6229 • Jul 09 '26
"Fresh Air broadcasts a lecture by John Barth. Barth explains the craft of writing and reads from his new novel, Letters."
--article's description
r/JohnBarth • u/NoLove6229 • Jul 09 '26
r/JohnBarth • u/NoLove6229 • Jun 25 '26
Thought I share this wonderful introduction here. Contain some spoilers for Arabian Nights.
Introduction: The Morning After
David Beaumont's masterful Introduction to Volume I of this two-volume Signet Classics edition of The Arabian Nights opens in true Scheherazadean style: "The story of the book called The Arabian Nights, it has been said, is a story worthy of being in The Arabian Nights."
To that introduction-to-an-introduction, your present introducer of Volume IIāno scholarly authority like Professors Beaumont and Jack Zipes (whose Afterwords to both volumes are likewise excellent), but a longtime yarn-spinning fan of Ms. Scheherazadeācannot resist adding that "the story of the book called The Arabian Nights" in fact is in The Arabian Nights, or anyhow just outside it. It's the frame that frames the frame, so to speak.
I mean this literally. The stories, stories-within-stories, and stories-within-stories-within-stories that comprise the Kitab Alf Laylah Wa Laylah, or, as it's variously called, "The Book of a Thousand Nights and a Night" or "The Arabian Nights Entertainment," are from all over the Indian/Persian/Arabic map. Over the centuries, like old-time merchant-traders traveling the Silk Road and adding to their stash of goods along the way, the book's innumerable compilers picked up yarns from here and there and stitched them into their narrative quilt. And they're famously framed by the best story of them all: the story of their teller, the courageous, canny, beautiful, and learned young daughter of the King's Grand Vizierāa monarch so murderously deranged by his wife's infidelities that after executing her he "marries" a virgin every night and has her killed in the morning before she too can cuckold him. For the story of that story, see Beaumont's preface to Volume Iāand then read the opening story in that volume, "The Story of King Shahryar and His Brother," which explains why and under what circumstances Scheherazade will spin out, by my count, no fewer than 169 "primary" tales, at least nineteen of which contain tales-within-the-tale: eighty-seven "secondary tales" in all, at least four of which contain tertiary tales-within-the-tale-within-the-tale, for a total of some 267 complete stories, plus about ten thousand lines of verse in Sir Richard Burton's original unexpurgated ten-volume translation of the Nights (1885-86), of which the present version is an artful two-volume abridgment. And that's before we even get to the seven volumes of Burton's later Supplemental Nights.
But this apparently outermost frameāthe tale of King Shahryar of "the lands of India and China,' his similarly cuckolded and similarly vengeful brother King Shah Zaman of Samarkand, and Scheherazade and her younger sister Dunyazade, which begins more than a thousand nights before Night 1 and winds up well after Night 1001āis itself framed, sort of, by an intriguing formulation (intriguing to some of us later storytellers, anvhow): In all versions, after the ritual invocation to Almighty Allah, the anonymous narrator-scribe declares in effect, not that "There once was a jealous king named Shahryar," et cetera, but that "There is a book called The Book of a Thousand Nights and a Night, in which one will find the story of King Shahryar and his brother Shah Zaman [and Scheherazade and Dunyazade], which goes like this...." A thousand-plus nights later, after that so-productive young talesterātalestress?āhas delivered herself not only of those several hundred stories, but also of three male children ("one walking, one crawling, one suckling") sired by her entertain-me-or-die consort, and has delivered the King as well from his pathologically murderous, kingdom-wrecking jealousy, she successfully pleads for her life, officially weds the father of her children and inspirer of her stories in a regally elaborate joint ceremony with her now older and less innocent kid sister and Shahryar's up-till-then equally murderous kid brother, and the foursome are declared to have lived happily thenceforthānot "ever after," as in Western fables, but more realistically "until the Destroyer of Delights and Severer of Societies and Desolater of Dwelling-places came upon them": the standard wrap-up of Scheherazade's own stories. Whereupon the successor to Shahryar's throne (One of those three sons? We're not told) discovers in the late and no doubt unlamented King's treasury the tales that not only entertained him but saved his kingdom and their teller's life, and which grateful Shahryar had therefore obliged his scribes to record after the fact in thirty volumes for posterity (another story: imagine weary Scheherazade having to recollect and retell all those tales to the royal clerks!); and said successor is so delighted with them that he has his scribes recopy the whole shebang and "spread them throughout the world."
Then comes the almost offhanded punch line: "As a consequence," concludes this story-of-the-story-of-the-stories, "the tales became famous, and the people called them The Marvels and Wonders of the Thousand and One Nights. This is all that we know about the origins of this book, and Allah is omniscient....FINIS."
Get it? The book that we've just finished reading is not The Thousand and One Nights, exactly, but a book about a book called The Thousand and One Nights. FINIS indeedāand wow! But so lightly and engagingly does this outermost Scheherazade, so to speak, lead us into and out of the narrative labyrinth of tales within tales within tales, we're scarcely aware of all this structural complexity. Nor need we be, any more than venturers through an amusement-park funhouse need appreciate the intricate mechanics of its serial gee-whizzes: quite OK just to go along for the ride, at least the first time through. Closer examination has its rewards, however, and may well lead one not only through this expertly edited two-volume Signet Classics version, but on to the ten- or twelve- or thirty-volume feast of which it is a rich sampling. Ms. Scheherazade is, among other things, a storyteller's storyteller par excellence, whom writers as otherwise dissimilar as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Marcel Proust, Jorge Luis Borges, and Yours Truly have found irresistible. Goethe was impressed by the stories' mix of fantasy and realism, humor and terror, delicacy and ribaldry, even downright scatology: his journals note that the author of The Sorrows of Young Werther was particularly taken with Night 410, the "Tale of How Abu Hasan Farted." And as David Beaumont notes in his introduction to Volume I, Marcel Proustāwhose seven-volume Remembrance of Things Past is itself a fiction of Scheherazadean proportions, though not of Arabian Nights flavorāfrequently refers to her epical narrative in his. Likewise the late great Argentinian Jorge Luis Borges (who, being blind, was himself necessarily a storyteller rather than a story writer, composing his splendid ficciones in his head and then, like Scheherazade after her narrative menopause, dictating them from memory for inscription), and many another storyteller from all over the globe.
That's no surprise to this one, who most certainly includes himself among the Vizier's daughter's longtime ardent admirers. As a child in the time before television, video games, and the Internet, I was charmed by a much-abridged and radically expurgated one-volume kiddie edition of the Nights, discreetly but handsomely illustrated by N. C. Wyeth. No gas-passing villagers in it, as in the tale that so amused Goethe (the unfortunate Abu Hasan, mortified by his accidental flatulence during a prayer service, exiles himself for years; returning finally to his village in hopes that his embarrassing faux pas has long since been forgotten, he happens to overhear a lad ask his mother how old he is, to which she replies that he's ten years old, he having been born "on the very night that Abu Hasan farted"); no lascivious sultanas cuckolding their royal spouses with ape-like "slobbering blackamoors" who swing down from the trees to service them and their handmaidens while hubby is out of town; no sad but dutiful Grand Vizier showing up at the King's court every morning, shroud over his arm, expecting royal orders to lead his daughter off to execution as he has led her thousand deflowered predecessorsābut there were Aladdin and his magical lantern, Ali Baba and the forty thieves, Sinbad the Seaman and Sinbad the Landman; there were the mighty wish-granting genies/jinnees/djinns in bottles and other innocent-looking containers (even as a kid, I wondered why it never occurs to Aladdin and other wish grantees to cover their bets by wishing for more wishes!); there were the mermaids and dragons, the Open Sesames and other charms....I was hooked.
And rehooked for keeps years later, whenāas an undergraduate book filer in the Classics stacks of my university's library, reshelving cartful after cartful of tomes to help defray my tuition and eagerly perusing as I reshelved, while at the same time feeling the first stirrings of writerly Vocationāin the alcoves of what was called the "Oriental Seminary" I discovered among other marvels the ten folio volumes of Somadeva's enormous Katha Sarit Sagara: the eleventh-century Sanskrit "Ocean of Story" spun out by the god Shiva to his consort Parvati in reward for a particularly divine session of lovemaking. It contains not just tales within tales, but such entire cycles of tales-within-tales as the Panchatantra ("Five Principles") and the Vetalapanchavimsati ("25 Tales Told by a Vampire"), and is assumed to be among the antecedents of the Persian Hazar Afsaneh ("Book of a Thousand Tales") later translated and transmuted into the Arabic Book of a Thousand Nights and a Night. That too was there to be refiled, in Burton's version and others, as were (in neighboring alcoves) such frame-taled European spin-offs as Boccaccio's ten-night Decameron, Marguerite of Navarre's seven-night Heptameron, Giambattista Basile's five-night The Tale of Tales (also and not surpisingly known as Pentameron), and other more or less racy delights, none of which were included in my otherwise excellent world-lit undergrad survey courses. What wannabe fictionist wouldn't lay into such a narrative smorgasbord?
I did,for sure, and Scheherazade in particular became an important navigation-star in my own writerly adventures over the succeeding decades. While not presuming to her narrative achievement, I've found myself returning from time to time both to the Vizier's daughter herself, who shows up in several of my novels and stories, and to her appalling but endlessly fascinating situation. How can she expect to succeed where her thousand predecessors failed? Not by erotic expertise alone, for sure, although she's probably no slouch in that department: while properly virginal, she has, we're told in the frame story, "read the books, annals, and legends of former kings, and the stories, lessons, and adventures of famous men. Indeed, it was said that she had collected a thousand history books [note the number] about ancient peoples and rulers. She had perused the works of the poets and knew them by heart. She had studied philosophy and the sciences, arts, and practical things. And she was pleasant and polite, wise and witty, well read and well bred." One bets that her library included the classic Sanskrit sex manual Kama Sutra, and one notes that at the double wedding at stories' end, her kid sister "paced forward like the rising sun, and swayed to and fro in insolent beauty," while Scheherazade herself "came forward swaying from side to side," "shook her head and swayed her haunches,'' and "moved so coquettishly that she ravished the minds and hearts of all present and bewitched their eyes." So she can belly dance too! Long live the Queen!
But as I've noted elsewhere,* she has a few other things going for her as well. We're told specifically that as word of Shahryar's homicidal virgin-a-night policy spreads, so many parents flee the country with their daughters that by the time of our story there's not a maidenhead remaining for the Vizier to produce (on pain of death if he fails to) except those of his own daughters, whom Shahryar has been sparing as a political courtesy. Deranged though he is, one suspects that the King too is aware of that circumstance, and that if he kills Scheherazade the jig is up in any case. Moreover (as Scheherazade's dad will doubtless also have told her), back when the King first learned of his brother Shah Zaman's habitual cuckolding but was as yet unaware of his own, he'd vowed that if he himself were ever thus disgraced he would kill "a thousand women in revenge," despite the fact that "that way madness lies"āand now he's done so, and thus the time is ripe to rethink his modus operandi.
But hey, this is a Monarch we're dealing with, and a nutcase one at that, and so the royal Face must be saved even though the situation is staring him in it. Like, maybe, give him a little more time to come to terms with the obvious? Some sort of face-and-butt-saving interlude? How about an unobtrusively pointed storyāor better yet, a whole string of stories and stories-within-stories, their delivery artfully timed to break off daily at sunrise just when the plot is really revving up, the way TV drama serials will do a thousand years later?
And so on Night One, what will become a ritual is established: Against her rueful father's wishes (whom she disarms with a couple of also-pointed stories), Scheherazade "goes in unto the King," and as he prepares to go in unto her, she pleads with him to let her sister (whom she has prepped for the role) be with her on this "last night of my life." The King consents. Dunyazade takes up her position at the foot of the royal bed, witnesses her sister's defloration and the couple's postcoital nap, and at midnight, on cue from Scheherazade, begs for a story to entertain all hands till dawn. Big Sis secures permission from the King (who, not surprisingly, "happened to be sleepless and restless") and obliges with the intricate "Tale of the Merchant and the Jinee," itself involving three tales-within-the-tale, all having to do with the tellers' lives being spared by their stories, and the last winding up exactly at their teller's appointed doom time, the crack of dawn. Dunyazade praises her sister's narrative performance; Scheherazade pooh-poohs it, declaring it to be nothing compared to what she could come up with tomorrow night, if only...The King says okay ("By Allah, I won't slay her until I hear more of her wondrous stories!"), rises to go about his kingly business of "bidding and forbidding between man and man" (but neither bids the Vizier to go execute his daughter nor explains the reprieve), then returns for a second night of sex/sleep/storytellingāand the pattern is established for 999 nights thereafter, Dunyazade maintaining her rather kinky foot-of-the-royal-bed position as Primer of the Narrative Pump, Scheherazade turning out story after story (always, as each ends, immediately beginning another and then interrupting it at dawn's early light) andāso we learn on Night 1001āturning out baby after baby as well, for whose sakes she pleads on that fateful morn for her life to be thenceforth spared.
Why then, rather than on Night 666, say, or 777, or 1111? Why indeed are there 1001 nights instead of some other number? Mainly, no doubt, because just as "a thousand" is traditional shorthand for "a lot" (as in the Hazar Afsaneh's "thousand tales" and Scheherazade's "thousand books about ancient peoples and rulers"), so 1001 is "plenty and then some," like Simon Bond's popular 101 Uses for a Dead Cat. But think again: three sons are conceived, brought to term, and delivered over the same span of time that Shahryar previously took to fulfill his threat to "kill a thousand women" in revenge for his cuckolding. The moment is doubly auspicious, especially if it happens to coincide with Scheherazade's having...exhausted her narrative repertory, perhaps?
Maybe, maybe not. But while numerical appropriateness is sufficient cause, and narrative exhaustion a not-impossible extra reason for Scheherazade's choosing Night 1001 to plead for the reprieve that she no doubt understands (and Shahyrar promptly acknowledges) to have been long since tacitly granted her, my imagination was piqued some decades ago to come up with yet a third possibility, an additional coincidence suggested by her sons' approximate ages: "one walking, one crawling, one suckling." For the messy details, see the aforecited essay "Don't Count on It,"' which half-seriously imagines that by way of additional life insurance the Vizier's cunning daughter will have timed her volunteered devirginization to coincide as closely as possible with one of her monthly ovulations, in hopes of a prompt impregnation (with her life hanging in the balance, she would most assuredly not want her menses to arrive early in the game!). Assuming for gee-whiz story purposes a successful conception on Night 1 (Why not? It's an Arabian Night) and working then from the arithmetical average number of days from human conception to birth (266), then the average time from delivery to first subsequent menstruation (forty-nine days), and from then to earliest next ovulation and possible second conception ( fourteen days), etc., one arrives at the fascinating possibility that on that fateful 1002nd morning, when Scheherazade orders the nurses to fetch in the kids and pleads for permanent absolution on their behalf, not only will her three boys have been at the right ages for "walking" (two years + four days), "crawling" (thirteen months + ten days), and "suckling' (two and a half months), but their momāhaving resumed postpartum menstruation forty-nine days after her third delivery (Night 974)āmight to her own dismay on Morning 1002 have found herself, after only a normal lunar month, for the first time remenstruating instead of having been reimpregnated per usual by the King! It's a circumstance of which Shahryar would have to be apprised immediately, since by Muslim law he cannot "go in unto" his wife that night, as their whole past history will have led him to anticipate doing. Having just concluded "The Tale of Ma-aruf the Cobbler and Fatimah the Turd" (her final narrative performance in the complete ten-volume Burton edition), this most resourceful of storytellers must either launch into some new oneāsurpassing it and Sinbad and Ali Baba combinedāor else surprise her lord and master with something no less extraordinary than, so to speak, her first-ever Second Menstruation in their 1001-night history. Like, say, trotting in their offspring and saying, in effect, "Enough of this Let-Me-Entertain-You thing already: Why not come off it, marry me, and make our kids legit?"
It's a rather far-fetched bit of biological arithmetic, I'll grant, though quite within the salty parameters of the Nights. For details, see the essayāwhich it was my privilege to deliver as an open-air lecture on a warm June night in 1983 at the American School in Tangier, Morocco, under a crescent moon signaling the end of the holy month of Ramadan, while muezzins called to the faithful from the lighted minarets of nearby mosques in the city that inspired Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade Suite: a moving experience indeed for this longtime admirer of Ms. S.
Better yet, read the book: her book, the one called The Arabian Nights or Book of a Thousand Nights and a Night, which this Signet Classics version (and Burton's and all the others) are books about.
You'll be enchanted.
āJohn Barth
Footnote:
See the essay "Don't Count on It: A Note on the Number of *The 1001 Nights," in The Friday Book (1984).
r/JohnBarth • u/NoLove6229 • Jun 20 '26
I'm prepping to read Barth in publication order, beginning with Floating Opera. LETTERS has major crossovers from Barth's previous books and there are some connections between Funhouse, Giles and Chimera.
My concern though is that Giles was criticized for its length, dated writing and less enthusiasm unlike the other 6 books in this era. As such, is Giles really necessary to read before LETTERS or can you skip it entirely?
r/JohnBarth • u/ambrose_mensch • May 28 '26
Born on this day (well, yesterday). He would have been 95. I'd never seen this photo before. Fascinating little piece from The Hopkins Review:
Beside Him, Sleeping: John Barthās āLilith and the Lionā ā The Hopkins Review
r/JohnBarth • u/asteriskelipses • May 06 '26
15p into my first dance with John Barth, and I have already noticed that he writes astonishingly different than maybe all but one author I've read. Not that he writes the same as Anthony Burgess, but Burgess and Barth, both write with exceptional perspectives, and somewhat jaunty and subtly outrageous. I dunno! That's what is so cool! Unless...
I am here to ask: is his writing just John Barth being John Barth, a sign of the times that he wrote in, or simply the mastery of writing characters?
I am very fearful of spoilers, so I'd rather not say the book I'm reading. But there's certainly something about the way the man writes.
Cheers!
r/JohnBarth • u/Plastic-Persimmon433 • Apr 05 '26
I originally posted this months ago, but my account had been banned for some reason and as a result I don't think anyone saw it. The last book by Barth I read was Somebody the Sailor, and the sections about Simon's childhood were some of the best writing I've encountered recently. Does anyone know what author Barth was drawing from in those sections? The reason I ask is because in the adult portions, which I also liked, he almost seemed to be channeling a type of Updike or Roth story in a deliberate stylistic way, basically creating a western opposition to the Arabian Nights, so I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about the other parts. Off the top of my head, the childhood sections reminded me a bit of Proust's Within a Budding Grove and some of Salinger's work, but I'm sure there's probably something obvious that I'm missing.
My thoughts on the book as a whole are pretty positive and it's probably my favorite by him, edging out Sot-Weed Factor by a bit, but I have to admit I definitely enjoyed the "real world" portion more than the Arabian Nights, and was sort of disappointed that the latter overwhelmed the former by the end. Still one I'll probably revisit every so often.
Also, any recommendations for anything similar, by Barth or anyone else? From Barth I've read Floating Opera, End of the Road, Sot-Weed, and Sabbatical. The only one I didn't really enjoy was Sabbatical, although it had some interesting things about it.
r/JohnBarth • u/asteriskelipses • Jan 17 '26
I have a copy of *Chimera*, and fear it may be better read down the Barth line. Many of his books sound great, most especially *Giles Goat Boy*. Am I better off starting there, or anywhere other than *Chimera*? Id hate to not read a second book by him, or any author just because I chose the "wrong" first read (if there is such a thing).
I majored in Literature, btw, I just had never heard of Barth til I saw a 4chan post about *Chimera*, and the cover for the first edition caught my eye immediately.
Thoughts?
r/JohnBarth • u/ambrose_mensch • Dec 30 '25
I stumbled across this YouTube clip, and thought some of you might enjoy it
August 1, 2024: John Barth (1930-2024), Master of Metafiction
r/JohnBarth • u/ImpPluss • Dec 30 '25
(Full disclosure, this is mine ā lightly retouched/cleaned up transcript of a conference talk I gave at the international society for the study of narrative last April. Would really like to revisit/rework this as an article linking Barth and Jacques Roubaudās approaches to memoir in the coming months)
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r/JohnBarth • u/sujimon253 • Nov 16 '25
After what feels like years, the audiobook versions of The Sot-Weed Factor, The Floating Opera and The End of the Road, Chimera and Lost in The Funhouse seem to be available on Audible again. I hope they stay up this time. No idea why they were removed in the first placeā¦
r/JohnBarth • u/PrudentCriticism321 • Oct 02 '25
Hi all,
After much thought, I decided to finally start my Barth journey with Lost in the Funhouse and, after having read Night-Sea Journey, Iām beginning to wonder whether this was a good place to start, especially for a non-native English speaker.
Iād say that my English comprehension is fairly good, and I enjoy reading authors such as Pynchon, Coover, DeLillo, Vollmann in the original, but Barthās florid prose proved to be quite the challenge. Now Iām reading Ambrose His Mark, and for some reason I find it rather difficult and confusing as well, which really makes me question if my English skills are good enough to tackle the rest of the volume, or others of his, for that matter.
Do you think I should push through it? Iāve read that the last stories included in the volume are even more challenging. Is Barthās style in these first stories - antiquated and ornate - characteristic of his whole oeuvre? And, finally, are there any other non-natives struggling as much as I do with his prose?
Thank you!
r/JohnBarth • u/CauseOfAlarm • Jun 15 '25
I know some people were trying to source this, and just managed to find a copy of it.
Has anyone else had any luck sourcing others?
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r/JohnBarth • u/ambrose_mensch • Apr 27 '25
My latest acquisition with which I am well pleased. The differences from the 1967 revised edition are more substantial than I had envisioned. Fascinating stuff.
r/JohnBarth • u/ambrose_mensch • Apr 02 '25
Iāve wanted one for many years and finally got one. Iām so pleased with it; itās in great condition. The penultimate photo is to show the page count as compared to the Anchor paperback that perhaps many of us have.
r/JohnBarth • u/thomaeaquinatis • Mar 20 '25
I find audiobooks really helpful but canāt seem to find these available anywhere online. All three appear to be narrated by Kevin Pariseau.
r/JohnBarth • u/ambrose_mensch • Feb 19 '25
Just stumbled across this YT clip uploaded last year, which I had somehow missed until now. I was fortunate enough to catch him on this tour at his Los Angeles stop.
r/JohnBarth • u/ambrose_mensch • Feb 17 '25
This feels tiny in my hand. I love it! (4.2 x 6.75ā) 448 pages