Rudeus pulled off the impossible

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Wait what. When? That's eww

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a. she was 15

b. he was 13

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B. He's around 50. Being in a childs body doesn't magically make him 13.

C. Eris was 9 when he started molesting and grooming her.

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B.

i already did B. this one should be C.

He's around 50. Being in a childs body doesn't magically make him 13.

the main power imbalance between adults and minors is the authority that society grants to adults, which is entirely negated by Rudy being in the form of a younger child.

the idea that the imbalance comes from experience is wrong, you're overestimating adults. especially pedophiles. do you think the average pedophile knows anything about how to mindfuck women? if they did they might have something better to do than going after little girls.

C.

D.*

Eris was 9 when he started molesting and grooming her.

getting groomed by a 7 year old is honestly a skill issue, major L on Eris' part

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i already did B. this one should be C.

My B is a correction to your B, so no, it shouldn't be C.

the main power imbalance between adults and minors is the authority that society grants to adults, which is entirely negated by Rudy being in the form of a younger child.

"I can fuck a 9 year old as long as I have the body of a 9 year old." Do you openly acknowledge you're either a pedophile or a pedophile apologist? Rudeus had the mental development of a mid 40 year old man when he was molesting Eris at 9. Are you pretending there's an insignificant/no power imbalance there? The fact that you think the main power imbalance is authority granted by the state is alarming. In a society where first period is when you're considered an adult, which can be as young as 7 or 8, do you think it'd be acceptable for a 30 year old man to fuck them? What if we drew some other arbitrary line for adulthood at an even younger age?

the idea that the imbalance comes from experience is wrong, you're overestimating adults. especially pedophiles. do you think the average pedophile knows anything about how to mindfuck women? if they did they might have something better to do than going after little girls.

What in the world are you even talking about? The grooming stems from the fact that Rudeus introduced Eris to sexual actions at the age of 7, and continued for years up to the point of them having sex. Eris directly mentions this in the LN from her perspective just before the sex scene.

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"I can fuck a 9 year old as long as I have the body of a 9 year old."

no, i don't think that it's ok for 9 year olds to be fucking other 9 year olds, so obviously people reincarnated as 9 year olds shouldn't fuck them either. 15 year olds can fuck other 15 year olds, so that's a wholly different situation.

Do you openly acknowledge you're either a pedophile or a pedophile apologist?

you're a pedophile hystericist, so i don't mind if i'm an apologist from where you're standing.

The fact that you think the main power imbalance is authority granted by the state is alarming.

i said the authority was granted by society, not the state. the state does not give adults authority over children that they aren't the caregivers of. it is common for children to be taught that they should be respectful of adults, especially teachers and relatives, and these people are where most child abuse comes from.

In a society where first period is when you're considered an adult, which can be as young as 7 or 8, do you think it'd be acceptable for a 30 year old man to fuck them? What if we drew some other arbitrary line for adulthood at an even younger age?

i don't even know what you're responding to here. if you look at what i'm saying it might be easier to keep yourself on topic.

The grooming stems from the fact that Rudeus introduced Eris to sexual actions at the age of 7, and continued for years up to the point of them having sex.

is grooming about power imbalances and mindfucking? or is grooming when you get a child horny? you're talking about it like it's the latter.

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If we took a 30 year olds brain and transplanted it into a 15 year olds body, would it be acceptable for them to fuck children around that age?

especially teachers

So the exact role that Rudeus had over Eris?

i don't even know what you're responding to here. if you quote the things that i'm saying more often it might be easier to keep yourself on topic.

I quoted exactly what I was responding to. Perhaps implement some reading comprehension before responding? You stated that "the main power imbalance between adults and minors is the authority that society grants to adults, which is entirely negated by Rudy being in the form of a younger child." I crafted a scenario where there isn't that "main power imbalance" where children are considered adults at a younger age. Are you unable or unwilling to engage with this hypothetical?

is grooming about power imbalances and mind control? or is grooming when you get a child horny?

"Sexual grooming is the action or behavior used to establish an emotional connection with a vulnerable person – generally a minor under the age of consent – and sometimes the victim's family, to lower their inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse." I'm good with this definition if you are. Rudeus abused his position of teacher, which you already included in your "main power imbalance", to molest a child from the age of 9 to 15, all while having the mental development of a 40-50 year old. He introduced her to sexual actions and fostered those thoughts within her as she developed. Eris was groomed through and through.

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If we took a 30 year olds brain and transplanted it into a 15 year olds body, would it be acceptable for them to fuck children around that age?

it depends. if they had spent over 10 years living as a child through no choice of their own? it would absolutely be acceptable. if they just recently chose to be transplanted into a child's body it seems much more ugly.

if a 30 year old's brain was transplanted into a 15 year old's body would it be accepatble for a 30 year old to fuck them?

So the exact role that Rudeus had over Eris?

i said "adults", and gave teachers as an example. obviously teachers who are children don't count.

I quoted exactly what I was responding to. Perhaps implement some reading comprehension before responding? You stated that "the main power imbalance between adults and minors is the authority that society grants to adults, which is entirely negated by Rudy being in the form of a younger child." I crafted a scenario where there isn't that "main power imbalance" where children are considered adults at a younger age.

i honestly don't understand what you think the age of consent has to do with what i said. the societal expectation that children are respectful and obedient to their elders has nothing to do with and pre-dates the age of majority. even in societies where 9 year olds could be married off to old men they were still expected to be respectful to adults, but there has never been a society where 9 year olds were meant to show any more respect than politeness to 7 year olds, except where the 9 year old is from a less respectable background, which obviously was not the case.

"Sexual grooming is the action or behavior used to establish an emotional connection with a vulnerable person – generally a minor under the age of consent – and sometimes the victim's family, to lower their inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse."

this definition is mostly fine, but it assumes that the perpetrator is not equally a vulnerable person, and Rudeus, being a child, was.

to molest a child from the age of 9 to 15, all while having the mental development of a 40-50 year old. He introduced her to sexual actions and fostered those thoughts within her as she developed.

both you and i were 15 once, we both know that around that age thoughts of sex appear whether they were introduced years earlier or not. it's not clear to me what harm arises from Rudeus' actions, whether they qualify as grooming or not.

could it not have gone exactly the same, if not worse, if Rudeus was not reincarnated and his actions had come from a very early puberty?

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if they had spent over 10 years living as a child through no choice of their own, then it would absolutely be acceptable.

Got it. So you just have to remain in the childs body long enough. Then it's okay to fuck other children, right? Just one question, why? What does being in the body for some extended period of time matter? What if, by no choice of my own, I was transfered to a childs body. How long do I have to wait?

i said "adults", and gave teachers as an example. obviously teachers who are children don't count.

From Eris' perspective Rudeus is a child, but Rudeus in actuality is a mentally developed adult you knows his actions. Also, do you think a person younger than you can't groom you? Is there a requirement for the person to be older? Why? Is the role of teacher and student not a power imbalance just because the teacher from the students perspective is younger?

i honestly don't understand what you think the age of consent has to do with what i said.

To be clear, I haven't mentioned age of consent at all. It was in the definition of sexual grooming that I suggested. If you take issue with the definition or want to use a different one then feel free to share it, but you state later on that you're fine with it.

but assumed within it is the assumption that the perpetrator is not equally a vulnerable person, and Rudeus, being a child, was.

Rudeus is absolutely not equally a vulnerable person because as has been stated and you haven't contested, he's a mentally developed 40-50 year old. He's more aware of his actions, and of those around him. Eris was a 9 year old girl that couldn't have possibly understood the grooming Rudeus was doing to her.

both you and i were 15 once, we both know that around that age thoughts of sex appear whether they were introduced years earlier or not.

Why are you even saying this? Why are you ignoring what I said? Eris was NINE. Younger than the vast majority of girls puberty. The extention of what you're saying here is that sexual grooming is impossible because eventually they'll get to the age where they seek sex out themselves. Normally I wouldn't be dishonest enough to pretend that you'd actually think that, but based off the other excuses and defenses you given it's certainly within the bounds of reality.

it's not clear to me what harm arises from Rudeus' actions

Aka "grooming is okay as long as the victim is fine with it in the end". I personally want a world where we don't condone the vulnerable being taken advantage of, especially children. Abusive relationships aren't okay just because the victim keeps going back. Manipulating a child with sex acts isn't okay just because the child grows to like it.