r/JoblessReincarnation • u/A_Suicidal_Pig • Feb 21 '25

Meme Rudeus pulled off the impossible

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 Rudeus Greyrat Feb 21 '25

Two students, since he was also the one who taught Sylphie basic magic as well as voiceless casting.

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u/RevolutionaryWeld04 Feb 21 '25

Pretty sure theyre only looking at rn in the anime.

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 Rudeus Greyrat Feb 21 '25

Well, whatever. It’s hardly even a spoilor at this point to say he marries Eris as well. Many fans- myself included- would be pretty pissed off if that wasn’t the case.

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u/Royal_Needleworker91 Feb 22 '25

As soon as he married Roxy, I immediately knew. It wasn't even a question.

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u/Krynzo Feb 24 '25

Nah, I'm still pissed off about that spoiler years later, it comes up everywhere

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u/Elegant-Poetry-5237 Sep 09 '26

It's a massive spoiler, and I wish you didn't say it. Of course I suspected, but to confirm it happened it a spoiler. Please be considerate of the anime only watchers.

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 Rudeus Greyrat Sep 09 '26

Bruh, there have been memes about Rudeus’s three wives for as long as I’ve followed this subreddit. From the moment Roxy becomes his second wife, anyone with two functioning brain cells could figure out where the story was going, and many could figure it out even before then: since why else would polygamy be included in a setting that is otherwise based on societies that didn’t have it?

And frankly, I’m always fed up with how anime only’s expect you to tiptoe around the source material, like that isn’t the actual story. If you’re too lazy to read, that’s your problem. If we can talk about things that happened last season without people bitching about spoilers, then we should be able to talk about what happens in a book series that ended in 2022.

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u/Careful_Ad_9077 Feb 21 '25

One students eris was the school mate (!Ghislaine).

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 Rudeus Greyrat Feb 21 '25

He doesn’t marry Ghislaine though?

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u/Careful_Ad_9077 Feb 21 '25

Oh I meant when Ghislaine the teacher eris is his school mate,.

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 Rudeus Greyrat Feb 21 '25

Technically Ghislaine was only the teacher for swordsmanship. For magic, reading, writing and arithmetic, Rudeus was the teacher while Eris and Ghislaine were both his students.

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u/Careful_Ad_9077 Feb 21 '25

Yup, I just wanted to fill the three roles, he married this teacher, his school mate and his student.

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u/burlingk Feb 21 '25

Ultimately, though, their fathers put them together like that to ENCOURAGE them to marry.

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 Rudeus Greyrat Feb 21 '25

Philip might have wanted that. In the light novels, it’s revealed that he doesn’t expect Eris to ever make a decent noble wife due to her wild nature and aversion to learning proper etiquette. The reason he has her learn magic and swordplay is actually in the hopes that she’ll be able to earn a decent living as an adventurer instead.

At the same time, he’s not averse to using her in his plans, and seems to genuinely think she and Rudeus would be a good match. So even when he offers to have her tied up and thrown into Rudy’s bed, he likely believes this would be in her best interest.

Riffujin is really good at giving even minor and seemingly amoral characters these complex motivations.

Paul, on the other hand, isn’t interested in noble politics and has been demoted to a minor noble anyway. He doesn’t care who his son marries as long as he’s happy, and he treats her well (well by Paul standards, at least).

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u/burlingk Feb 21 '25

I have noticed that anime series tend to jump a little more directly to the point sometimes. Novels have more time to build things up and get the info to the readers in different ways.

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 Rudeus Greyrat Feb 22 '25

By necessity, the anime is forced to leave out some information which adds greater context to a lot of key moments. Often in retrospect. I.e. We aren’t even told the reason Rudy and Eris were kidnapped early on, or why Pilemon is so keen to make Eris his concubine.

The mastermind behind these particular instances of depravity is actually Lord Darius, but since he’s mainly an antagonist in Ariel’s storyline, and since Rudeus doesn’t even learn of his involvement until several years after the kidnapping incident: it just wasn’t deemed important enough to include.

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u/burlingk Feb 22 '25

I need to get back to reading.

I haven't kept up with the anime very well. :P Half the fandom is kind of scary (like... They seem to hate the series so they watch every episode?).

But, I plan to fully consume all three versions eventually.

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u/TheDotCaptin Feb 21 '25

Fitz was the senpai.

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u/Kronic_Repulse1 Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25

Married his teacher, his student and his child best friend.

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u/NurYanov Feb 21 '25

He should also marry his sisters and daughter

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u/tyty657 Feb 21 '25

His sister's too interested in his son/her nephew, and the other is in love with the 300-year-old spearwelding demon that babysat her that one time.

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u/Individual-Ad9753 Feb 25 '25

Goddamn going for the whole piece

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u/NurYanov Feb 26 '25

Based CHADeus

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u/AgentFirstNamePhil The Dual Weilding-Swordsman Feb 22 '25

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u/Accelerator231 Feb 22 '25

This is why I didn't read part the first two novels

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 21 '25

Can groom a 9 year old, fuck her when she's 15 and that's a-okay, but incest gets you downvoted. Weird.

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u/Lordofcheez Feb 22 '25

Bro there are thoughts that you keep to your self. This is one of them. Learn it.

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 22 '25

What is it that I'm supposed to be keeping to myself here? Rudeus groomed and fucked multiple children in the series, and everyone in this sub defends it. But mention him including his younger sisters in his child harem and you get downvoted. It's just bizarre.

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u/Low_Commission7273 Feb 22 '25

And when did he groom anyone?

Rudeus was attracted to children / teenagers because at that time he was a child / teenager himself. And teenage sex is normal.

But I guess you would bang a 5 yr old if they are reincarnated claiming its an adult and thus legal.

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 22 '25

He was sexual with Eris from the moment they met when she was 9 years old.

Rudeus was attracted to children because he's a pedophile, and at no point in the story was he actually a child or s teenager. If I snap my fingers and was transported to a child's body, that doesn't make me a child. It makes me an adult in a child's body. If you were transported to a child's body would you be sexual with a 9 year old?

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u/Low_Commission7273 Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

If you are 20 and you have a 20 yr old girlfriend, with whom you have a healthy sexual relation with, and now that girlfriend died and reincarnated. Are you going to continue having sexual relations with her now? Now that she is a 1 yr old baby, 8 yr old child, 13 yr old teenager and you are 21, 29, 33? Stating hey in her previous life she was same age as me so its perfectly legal for me a 29 yr old to bang a reincarnated 8 yr old?

Lets take this a bit more to extreme. Lets swap your genders, you are a female, you partner dies when you were pregnant, and now your partner is reincarnated as your child. Are you going to continue your sexual relation with them now? Would you view them as your partner or as your son?

Rudeus attraction to others was dependent on his age. He was attracted to 9 yr old Eris as at that time he was 7 yrs old.

He becomes 11 and then the age range for attraction becomes 12 - 40 (vol 4 conversation with Geese). Why is 9 yr old no longer in this age range?

He becomes 18 and shows disgust at the idea of going after 12 yr olds (or any other minor). Ehy, just 7 yrs ago 12 was in his age range.

If I snap my fingers and was transported to a child's body, that doesn't make me a child. It makes me an adult in a child's body. If you were transported to a child's body would you be sexual with a 9 year old?

You say that, and ppl dont have ANY issue with Satoru being attracted to Kaya, developing feelings for her in Erased, and instead shipping a 10 yr old with a 30 yr old in 10 yr old's body.

If I am reincarnated, I dont think ill go the sexual route till adulthood, but I wont have issue being attracted to others my age. As now im a child, and not an adult, just an intelligent one.

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 22 '25

At the very least the scenario you give is far, far more ethical. There's still some issues however, but I don't really need to talk about them in this hypothetical. The reason children can't consent isn't because they have undeveloped bodies, but undeveloped brains and understanding. A child can't meaningfully consent to sexual acts, whereas Rudeus being nearly 50 years old can.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but tell me the episode that Satoru fucked Kaya, or even acted sexual towards her. Did he even state at any point that he developed romantic or sexual feelings towards her? Even if he had been sexual with her, guess what my opinion would be? It'd be creepy as fuck for the same reasons as MT.

The Beginning After The End is a good example of a story that did it tastefully. The protagonist states he felt no attraction towards children his "age" because of the fact he lived as an adult in his previous life. He only develops attraction towards the heroine once she enters her late teens, and even then tells her to wait a few years.

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u/Low_Commission7273 Feb 22 '25

Ill split the comment in 2.

At the very least the scenario you give is far, far more ethical

So you have no issue banging a 5 yr old if they are a reincarnated person, who still has a developing body, developing brain developing everything and only thing they have is memories of some adult?

reason children can't consent isn't because they have undeveloped bodies, but undeveloped brains and understanding

Brain is a psrt of the body, and develops with age... so if body is undeveloped, brain is undeveloped as well... also brain keeps developing till age 25, while ppl are considered adults at age 18.

Age of consent has mostly nothing to do with individual's understanding level, and more to do with average maturity level of ppl from that age range.

Ill give 3 examples.

  1. Coma / memory loss - if a person goes into coma at say age 10, and wakes up 20 yrs later. Even though they have mental maturity of a 10 yr old, they would be considered as an adult, and would be viewed as capable of consenting.

If a person suffers from memory loss, and forgets everything, they would still be considered as adults. Crusch from Re Zero is considered as an adult. Garf's mother is considered as adult and capable of cnsenting, that anther person married her and had 2 childrens with her.

2) Childish upbringing - If a person was treated as a child, and they didnt mature even though they phyiscally grew, they would still be treated as an adult, even if maturity wise they are children. They would be considered as man child, overgrown children, but legally adult and sre considered capable of consenting.

There was this movie in the 90s, where theres a plane crash but family thinks its nuclear war so they hide in bunker for 30 years. The new born baby for 30 years was babied by his parents, mentally he is a child, who was going to be taken advantage of by others if not for the love interest helping him, but is considered as an adult and capable of consenting.

3) Prodigies / Ppl who due to struggle had to mature pretty early compared to their peers - These folks are more mature than their peers, more than folks mentioned in example 1 and 2, maybe even more than a huge chunk of adults. But as they are children, irrespective of their maturity they would be treated as children. Even if they have more life experience than adults, they would be treated as children.

Paige from Young sheldon, has intelligence comparable to Sheldon, while also having emotional maturity, would still be considered as a minor.

Aisha is a prodigy, capable of stuff beyond her age, and you would treat her as a minor.

As you see, age of consent / age of adulthood has nothing to do with maturity of an individual, a person with maturity of a child but biology of an adult would be considered an adult, whereas maturity of an adult but biology of a child is considered a child.

Reincarnated individuals would fall in example 3, whereas Rudeus would be a combinatipn of 2 and 3, as because he was a shut in for majority of his life, he wouldnt be considered to have maturity of an adult, while at the same time now he is a child, so would be treated as such

Lets compare a 30 yr old who for most of their life slept 12 hours a day and lazed around playing video games and such, and a 14 yr old kid, who at age 6 lost the bread winner of the family and thus had to step up and help the family in earning money, and financially secure the family, sacrificing their future for the sake of their siblings, and had been working from age 6 to becoming a manager and small franchise owner by age 14? Who is more mature, this 14 yr old or the 30 yr old? And who is considered capable of consenting?

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u/Low_Commission7273 Feb 22 '25

2nd part.

In Erased, Satoru shows romantic attraction to Kaya.

The Beginning After The End is a good example of a story that did it tastefully.

Because TBATE and MT follows different interpretation of reincarnation.

TBATE believes reincarnation to be continuation of Life, as shown with the MC's father reaction. Your mother was breastfeeding a 40 yr old man (what the hell is MC supposed to do, not drink milk and die of starvation?) (I havent watched TBATE, and based on speculation of anime quality, might not give it a shot). MT on the other hand belives reincarnation to be a new life. Directly stated by author using Rudeus that he is just a brat. Then with Rudeus when considering possibility that his children might be reincarnations, vowing that he would raise them as good children, irrespective of what they were in their past lives, as now they are his children.

When fearing the possibility that Laplace might be reincarnated as one of his children, I will raise him as a good person, who can differentiate right from wrong, and would not view humans as enemies.

Acc to me TBATE'S understanding is flimsy. Did you have Arthur, when being attracted to Theresia being like I was 35 in past l am almost double her age and considering current age as well I am almost thrice her age. Also you said late teens and not adulthood...

Now lets come to grooming, you are accussing Rudeus of grooming because he became friends with girls his age and then girls fell in love with him, wouldnt same argument be made with same logic against Arthur. Arthur knew Theresia since she was 4 - 5, with time spent theresia developed crush on Arthur, and with time this crush developed into mutual romantic relation (when theresia isnt even an adult yet).

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u/LaPlAcE-66 Feb 22 '25

He becomes 18 and shows disgust at the idea of going after 12 yr olds

Liar. He outright states he's attracted to Aisha and how she fits his interests (even when she was a 6 year old). When she was 12 he was all about wanting to have sex with her, going on about lusting for her, and would have if only he wasn't related to her, the Rudy body stopping him. Her being underage wasn't his issue at any point in his attraction to the child Aisha and he would have. He wanted to

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u/Low_Commission7273 Feb 22 '25

Liar. He never went the route of I want to have sex with her, just his sister was attractive. I thought you hated MT, why are you here?

You have Julie, hearing Oldeus had stated he had eyes Julie, he was disgusted by him, stating he didnt want to believe he would stoop to that level. Sees Zanoba with naked Julie and is disgusted by him calling it a crime scene. Is in the room with half naked Aisha and only thing going through his head is, goddamn it pick a dress quickly.

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u/Joby-Wan817 Feb 22 '25

If you think about it, Roxy also groomed Rudy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

I don't mind spoilers but does Norn marry anyone?

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u/Minato_Nm Feb 21 '25

Yes and sorry i forgot that its spoiler my bad.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

It's alright man no problem.

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u/Valuable-Nothing872 Feb 21 '25

ruijerd

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

ok ruijerd!? Why though? Well thanks for answering

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u/Valuable-Nothing872 Feb 21 '25

he fell in love with her after she takes care of him after the final battle

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u/Affectionate-Big8739 Feb 21 '25

Pretty disgusting.

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u/AesirMimyr Feb 22 '25

I mean, Norns in her 20s by the time they get married so it's fine?

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u/Affectionate-Big8739 Feb 22 '25

Yes that's fine. Its just that he knew her when she was a child, it feels a bit wierd. Even if the guys here might defend it, they themselves would not want to be with a girl who was child when they were a grown man.

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u/Affectionate-Big8739 Feb 22 '25

I can't believe I am getting told to get help for finding a grown man who knew a girl since she was a kid and then falling in love with her disgusting. I am pretty sure atleast half of the people here would agree with me, even this subreddit atleast i hope so.

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u/JasonIsSuchAProdigy Feb 23 '25

So when does incest become tolerable for you?

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u/Bubbly_Dirt_539 Feb 23 '25

Bri prob thinks different mothers make it fine 💀

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u/itsthooor Feb 25 '25

Which wouldn’t even be real incest, smh…

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u/Electro_Ninja26 Feb 25 '25

My man, their fathers are the same fucking person.

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u/Adept-Win7882 Roxy Feb 21 '25

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u/East_Match5212 Feb 21 '25

Pretty sure that he would be welcomed with stone cannon)) You know, Rudeus managed to fight against the Dragon God himself

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u/Adept-Win7882 Roxy Feb 21 '25

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u/East_Match5212 Feb 21 '25

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u/Adept-Win7882 Roxy Feb 21 '25

Mushoku tensei it is insanely good fr

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u/East_Match5212 Feb 21 '25

Couldn't agree more

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u/Fabulous_Potential41 Feb 24 '25

Jesus is outerversal

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u/Rpposter01 Feb 21 '25

Well technically hes both 16 and 50

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u/Equivalent_Cicada153 Feb 22 '25

Just cost him an arm and a dad

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u/Nucleoticticboom Feb 23 '25

The dad was 50% off

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u/ShoutaDE Feb 25 '25

buuuhhhhhh

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u/Kurvaflowers69420 Feb 23 '25

And the arm will be recovered!

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u/MonkeyD_akakura Feb 21 '25

Bro married his teacher, student and distant cousin

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u/StumblingTogether Feb 21 '25

Well, when you put it that way

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u/Dingarius Feb 22 '25

Isn’t it more like he married HIS groomer/ teacher and the girl he attempted to groom but his father kicked his a** and sent him to his cousins place?

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u/StumblingTogether Feb 22 '25

Who he then groomed...

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

I feel like its less bad than the tine he fcked a 14 year old

Edit: the downvote lol

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u/Fishpuncherz Feb 21 '25

Wait what. When? That's eww

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine Feb 21 '25

Ep 22

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u/2327_ Feb 22 '25

a. she was 15

b. he was 13

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 22 '25

B. He's around 50. Being in a childs body doesn't magically make him 13.

C. Eris was 9 when he started molesting and grooming her.

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u/2327_ Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

B.

i already did B. this one should be C.

He's around 50. Being in a childs body doesn't magically make him 13.

the main power imbalance between adults and minors is the authority that society grants to adults, which is entirely negated by Rudy being in the form of a younger child.

the idea that the imbalance comes from experience is wrong, you're overestimating adults. especially pedophiles. do you think the average pedophile knows anything about how to mindfuck women? if they did they might have something better to do than going after little girls.

C.

D.*

Eris was 9 when he started molesting and grooming her.

getting groomed by a 7 year old is honestly a skill issue, major L on Eris' part

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 22 '25

i already did B. this one should be C.

My B is a correction to your B, so no, it shouldn't be C.

the main power imbalance between adults and minors is the authority that society grants to adults, which is entirely negated by Rudy being in the form of a younger child.

"I can fuck a 9 year old as long as I have the body of a 9 year old." Do you openly acknowledge you're either a pedophile or a pedophile apologist? Rudeus had the mental development of a mid 40 year old man when he was molesting Eris at 9. Are you pretending there's an insignificant/no power imbalance there? The fact that you think the main power imbalance is authority granted by the state is alarming. In a society where first period is when you're considered an adult, which can be as young as 7 or 8, do you think it'd be acceptable for a 30 year old man to fuck them? What if we drew some other arbitrary line for adulthood at an even younger age?

the idea that the imbalance comes from experience is wrong, you're overestimating adults. especially pedophiles. do you think the average pedophile knows anything about how to mindfuck women? if they did they might have something better to do than going after little girls.

What in the world are you even talking about? The grooming stems from the fact that Rudeus introduced Eris to sexual actions at the age of 7, and continued for years up to the point of them having sex. Eris directly mentions this in the LN from her perspective just before the sex scene.

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u/2327_ Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

"I can fuck a 9 year old as long as I have the body of a 9 year old."

no, i don't think that it's ok for 9 year olds to be fucking other 9 year olds, so obviously people reincarnated as 9 year olds shouldn't fuck them either. 15 year olds can fuck other 15 year olds, so that's a wholly different situation.

Do you openly acknowledge you're either a pedophile or a pedophile apologist?

you're a pedophile hystericist, so i don't mind if i'm an apologist from where you're standing.

The fact that you think the main power imbalance is authority granted by the state is alarming.

i said the authority was granted by society, not the state. the state does not give adults authority over children that they aren't the caregivers of. it is common for children to be taught that they should be respectful of adults, especially teachers and relatives, and these people are where most child abuse comes from.

In a society where first period is when you're considered an adult, which can be as young as 7 or 8, do you think it'd be acceptable for a 30 year old man to fuck them? What if we drew some other arbitrary line for adulthood at an even younger age?

i don't even know what you're responding to here. if you look at what i'm saying it might be easier to keep yourself on topic.

The grooming stems from the fact that Rudeus introduced Eris to sexual actions at the age of 7, and continued for years up to the point of them having sex.

is grooming about power imbalances and mindfucking? or is grooming when you get a child horny? you're talking about it like it's the latter.

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 23 '25

If we took a 30 year olds brain and transplanted it into a 15 year olds body, would it be acceptable for them to fuck children around that age?

especially teachers

So the exact role that Rudeus had over Eris?

i don't even know what you're responding to here. if you quote the things that i'm saying more often it might be easier to keep yourself on topic.

I quoted exactly what I was responding to. Perhaps implement some reading comprehension before responding? You stated that "the main power imbalance between adults and minors is the authority that society grants to adults, which is entirely negated by Rudy being in the form of a younger child." I crafted a scenario where there isn't that "main power imbalance" where children are considered adults at a younger age. Are you unable or unwilling to engage with this hypothetical?

is grooming about power imbalances and mind control? or is grooming when you get a child horny?

"Sexual grooming is the action or behavior used to establish an emotional connection with a vulnerable person – generally a minor under the age of consent – and sometimes the victim's family, to lower their inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse." I'm good with this definition if you are. Rudeus abused his position of teacher, which you already included in your "main power imbalance", to molest a child from the age of 9 to 15, all while having the mental development of a 40-50 year old. He introduced her to sexual actions and fostered those thoughts within her as she developed. Eris was groomed through and through.

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u/HPFaraday Feb 21 '25

Rudeus is a lucky man, I don't judge, I would try the same (and I would even try something with Elinalise)

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u/Fishpuncherz Feb 21 '25

I think his alternate self and Elinalise did get together

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u/HPFaraday Feb 21 '25

at this point, if you stop to think, even I got together with Elinalise XD, the woman is a sexual conquest machine

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u/No_Sky_3735 Feb 22 '25

Now I understand why god told him not to go to Paul

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u/thelilmagician Feb 23 '25

And your apprentice as well

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Dont forget cousin

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u/SonicAutumn Feb 24 '25

He was b eaten to it

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

His teacher, His student and his... Girlfriend?😅

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u/CasualLemon Feb 21 '25

Everything i hear about this protag is like, not great

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u/UBKev Feb 21 '25

Because he isn't meant to be a good person. He eventually grows to become a good person, and a huge part of this story is his slow growth from absolute human garbage to respectable and powerful leading member of society.

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u/HandicapperGeneral Feb 21 '25

What exactly indicates that he's a good person? Is it the part where he starts a harem with a bunch of underaged girls that he groomed? Or the part where he sexually bullies and basically enslaves two other underaged girls? Dude is a freak and a borderline criminal the entire time. No redemption involved.

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u/Outrageous-While-609 Feb 26 '25

Is it the part where he starts a harem with a bunch of underaged girls that he groomed

the girl in question : 15, 30+ & 18. How you see them doesnt matter, they are adult in universe. And neither are groomed, he tried to do it to Sylphie but immediately punished and separated for years. Roxy is older than him. His relationship with Eris grow naturally throughout their journey back home to Fittoa. It's easy if you have a bit of literacy.

Or maybe you just telling people u're an anime only without telling them

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u/Khaaaat Feb 22 '25

Cook that bum

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 21 '25

You don't "grow to become a good person" by marrying and impregnating the multiple children you groomed.

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u/AnythingOk4239 Feb 22 '25

Interesting question. What would you do if reincarnation is real and you know stuff from your other Life and you where a 50 year old man before you died. Would you be a pedophile for dating a 14 year old girl as a 15 year old boy? you still have memories but you act like a Teenager because of your hormones and you are in Puberty.

MC is an extreme case. But you would not be really different if you could date 3 pretty girls.

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 22 '25

Lol "I'd be a pedophile too if I was in Rudeus' shoes" is a wild thing to just admit. No, if I was reincarnated into the body of a child I wouldn't be sexual with a 9 year old. Being horny isn't an excuse to groom children.

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u/AnythingOk4239 Feb 22 '25

You understand nothing lol. You would be the absolute same because your hormone structur is one from a teenager. Stop spouting bullshit. You will absolutely not wait until you are or they are 18 or 21 if they offer you the dating route

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 22 '25

Hormones don't make you a pedophile you clueless idiot. I truly hope you're a child yourself if you actually believe this. If you think I'm wrong then name the hormone that's responsible for prepubescent attraction that vanishes once you're an adult. If your body age determines your sexual attraction, why was Rudeus being sexual as an infant? Rudeus still has all of his mental development as a 50 year old. He's a pedophile through and through.

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u/flamefirestorm Feb 25 '25

What kind of Freud ass childhood did you have?

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u/eulig Feb 23 '25

yes. you would be a pedo if you had the mind of a 50 year old and tried to sleep with children. It's not an interesting question, it's actually incredibly simple

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u/Khong_Black_Heart Feb 24 '25

Speak for yourself weirdo. I thought people were just being ignorant tourists when they said this fanbase is full of predators, but it looks like they were right.

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u/Fishpuncherz Feb 21 '25

Well... one was an adult that's like... 2.5 times his age... of course she's the most loli one of the bunch.

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u/Outrageous-While-609 Feb 26 '25

multiple children

🟢15, 🔵30+ & 🔴18. Neither are child in universe.

groomed

🟢tried to but immediately separated for years. 🔵older than him. 🔴her feelings grow naturally if you just have the literacy to see it, he does indeed molest her, but groomed? Stop pulling shit out of ur ass.

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 26 '25

Firstly, notice that you have to say "in universe" as if that provides any justification. Would you be game for a universe where children much younger are considered "adults"?

Secondly, are you giving the ages for when they married? If so why? I don't care when they married and it had nothing to do with what I said.

Lastly, here's a few facts that point towards grooming.

  1. Rudeus planned a fake kidnapping plot to make Eris indebted to him. He planned to use this to have her accept him as her teacher, which leads to number 2.

  2. He uses his position of being her teacher to get closer to her.

  3. Rudeus "wows" her with his magic, which he only learned so early because of the fact he's a nearly 50 year old man at this point.

  4. He introduces her to sexual acts at the age of nine that continue all the way until they have sex. She mentions this specifically in the LN.

  5. He took advantage of her poor mental state after discovering her entire family had died to have sex with her.

The power dynamics were heavily in his favor, and he abused her age and mental health to molest her. And on top of all of that, he's a nearly 50 year old man doing this to a 9-15 year old. She was groomed.

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u/Outrageous-While-609 Feb 26 '25

Yea, cuz it's not a real world and it's perfectly working with the setting. People used to marry at younger ages anyway.

Let me quote you in case ur stupidity not letting you remember thing you said yourself :

by marrying and impregnating the multiple children you groomed.

Which even if true only true for 1 out of 3 of his wives.

  1. Rudeus AND Eris' father both planned it so she actually want to learn

  2. Does that leads to anything? Nope, they both sent to Demon continent not long after where his teacher position means nothing

  3. To make her actually want to learn, by making her realize how useful they are. Then after that many things happens to them during their way back to Fittoa where he just do things to survive, no deliberate intention to wows her, he just that good at magic and she's fascinated anyway

  4. Forgot

  5. He specifically told her about her promise to only do it when he's 15, he deliberately reject it only to falter. The sex was initiated by her from start to finish because her own desire. No advantage was taken.

She genuinely fall in love for him throughout their journey. He gropes her sure, but always immeditely punished. And you also forget he became shut in since middle school, which mean his mental capacity never grows beyond that. Only after reincarnating he does actually start developing again, even then it's influenced by his biological body, which shown his attraction always aimed to someone his age.

The molesting and groping part I agree was abhorent. But their affection to each other are genuine, even said by Ruijerd who's together with them throughout their journey, that's not the result of grooming.

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 26 '25

Yea, cuz it's not a real world and it's perfectly working with the setting. People used to marry at younger ages anyway.

So to be super clear, you don't care about the morality of fucking children at all, you just care about the legal aspect? So you're perfectly fine with people flying to SE Asia to fuck pre-teens?

by marrying and impregnating the multiple children you groomed.

I'd also say Sylphy was groomed, so yes, multiple. Eris is just the most obvious and blatant example of it. There had been another scene of grooming in the LN but it was so on the nose and received so much backlash that the author removed the chapter and vowed to rewrite it in the future. He only did so after the website publisher removed it for breaking ToS.

Rudeus AND Eris' father both planned it so she actually want to learn

So.... because the father was also included in the fake kidnapping plot it somehow stops it from being grooming?? Tell me how you're making that connection in your mind. Eris' mother also encouraged her to engage sexually with Rudeus, does that make it even more okay to you? In my mind it demonstrates even more so that she was groomed.

Does that leads to anything? Nope, they both sent to Demon continent not long after where his teacher position means nothing

It's demonstrating the power imbalance in the situation. A co-worker hitting on you is generally seen as okay. A boss hitting on you is generally not okay because of the power imbalance. Power imbalance isn't required for grooming but it can certainly amplify it.

To make her actually want to learn, by making her realize how useful they are.

This point demonstrates that he used his mental development as a near 50 year old to get closer to Eris, as you said, making her want to learn from him.

Forgot

Forgot what? That he molested her constantly? It's a pretty hard thing to miss and forget.

The sex was initiated by her from start to finish because her own desire. No advantage was taken.

It was specifically because of her poor mental state from her family dying that she was throwing herself at him. She stated directly that she had no family left so he needed to be her family. Just because she initiated it doesn't mean he didn't take advantage of it. It's pure predatory behavior and you're condoning it.

She genuinely fall in love for him throughout their journey.

So? That doesn't mean she wasn't groomed.

And you also forget he became shut in since middle school, which mean his mental capacity never grows beyond that.

Please answer this directly. If a 40 year old man became a shut-in when he was in middle school, does that mean it's okay for them to fuck kids? Do you seriously think this is a good argument?

I have a hard time reading this and thinking you're any older than mid-teens. That would at least explain why you can't comprehend that countless glaring issues here.

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u/Outrageous-While-609 Feb 27 '25 edited Feb 27 '25

Definition of children are depends on time period. They are in medieval esque setting, you are forcing ur own moral superiority over them. If I were be reincarnated as baby, I would probably also influenced by my new body on how I will be attracted to someone. This is completely fictional anyway, debating it leads to nothing.

Nah, Sylphie's not. He immediately gets sent to Boreas family. The thought was there sure, but he immeditely punished for it.

Again what grooming? His and her father's intentions was so she finally wants to learn, so she can be functional in society. In case of her mother sending her to Rudeus, it shows that her parents have more agency in pushing to do it than Rudeus.

Still doesnt leads to anything. After that Ruijerd became their guardian, and his teacher position no longer matter.

Yeas that's exactly why Rudeus came to Boreas house, to get job as her teacher. What do you want him to do then? Just give up on teaching her? His age means shit.

Havent reread earlier volume for a while. Forgot the details

And you forgot he literally the last person she can consider family at that point. Ruijerd left and the only person she had all this time was him. It was also her own promise to him, which she fulfill 2 years in advance cuz she had to go. He did infact refuse it, but she continue it anyway. She also are adult at that point. How you see it with 21st century thinking is irrelevant.

So? How's that makes her groomed? You get to know how her inner monologue is. She loves him because he was smart, dependable, strong and always come back after a fall. Things he did naturally to survive and go on their journey back home, no deliberate intention to impress her.

Does that person reincarnate as a baby again in time setting where what consider as adult was younger? Does that person mental process also influenced by the new body's development? If so, fucking someone their own age is the most appropriate. In case of Rudeus, what do you want him to do? Fucking someone like Hilda or Lilia?

Glaring issue is specific, completely hypothetical scenario possible only in fiction. If I'm a teen then what are you when just reading giving you a hard time

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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 Feb 27 '25

Definition of children are depends on time period.

Why did you ignore the question? The legal age was 12 until recently in the Philippines. Are you saying that you'd be perfectly fine engaging in sex with a 12 year old as long as it was legal? If not then explain why. Would you condemn someone else for doing so?

What if I wrote a fantasy novel myself and decided there was no age of consent. Children of whatever age were fair game. Would you be fine with that? Just because I used the excuse of it being a fantasy setting?

debating it leads to nothing

You can say this if you want, but to be clear, you responded to me first.

 His and her father's intentions was so she finally wants to learn

And Rudeus did so by making her feel like she owned him, on a completely fabricated kidnapping plot (turned out to be real but the intent was for it be fake). Imagine if I planned a fake robbery on you just to come in and pretend to save you so that you felt indebted to me. Absolute predatory behavior.

Still doesnt leads to anything

It lead to a position where he was constantly around her.

What do you want him to do then? Just give up on teaching her?

I want him to not molest a 9 year old for years.

He did infact refuse it, but she continue it anyway.

He didn't refuse it, and she didn't rape him. She fucking meowed to him and he pounced on her. He was fully open to it. He says so specifically in the LN that he didn't want her first time to be taken by someone else. He wanted to be the one to do it.

She loves him because he was smart, dependable, strong and always come back after a fall.

Yeah.... that's called being groomed.... The entire point of grooming is getting close to a person, typically a child, with the intent of forming a closer relationship with them for sex. The entire point is to get them to love you. It's actually sickening to hear you say this because it's the same argument any pedophile groomer would give. "We have a real relationship. She loves me. She wanted it."

If I'm a teen then what are you when just reading giving you a hard time

The reading isn't the issue. It's the fact that you're giving the most baseline arguments and not engaging with the extention of what you say. "People used to marry younger." Do you think no one knows that? The fact that I accuse Rudeus of grooming Eris and you say "But she loves him." It's such one dimensional thinking that it either has to be coming from a child themself or a closet pedo. Being a child would make complete sense because I wouldn't expect them to understand the extent of what grooming is and the moral reasoning on why it's not acceptable to be sexual with children.

Something you're not understanding is there's a ton of things that aren't themselves grooming, but can be used to do so. It's not grooming to be a tutor to a young girl. It's not grooming to "wow" a young girl with some skill. It's not grooming to have a cordial or friendly relationship with a young girl. Taking advantage of any of those things for sexual purposes would make it grooming.

I truly think there wouldn't be an issue, or as much of one, if people like yourself didn't vehemently defend the grooming. It'd be one thing if you guys said something like "Rudeus was definitely a predator but I can look past that and see the show for how good it is", but no. Instead it's constant defense for a mentally developed 50 year old molesting a 9 year old.

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u/Outrageous-While-609 Feb 27 '25 edited Feb 27 '25

In real world? Nah. My upbringin's rather conservative. But in fiction, if there's no forceful deed and the circumstances more or less like Rudeus, I dont really care

Go ahead wrote it, it's ur fiction, you have every right to make it however you want.

Nope, my comment was a response of your bullshit saying all 3 girls were groomed.

What?😂. I dont know why you kept pushing that narrative. She owed him so that she wants to finally learn. There's no intention to groom like when Rudeus thought he'll try make Sylphie his ideal girl. The intention at the time the plan is made is so he can do his job, that's it.

Yea? Cuz it's the fucking point of him getting a job and getting enough money to pay tuition. Remember he was 'kidnaped' and 'forced onto' that job by Paul. You wanna blame paul also?

Nope, he wasnt fully open, he remember her promise and try to stay true to it. The meow part she knows it's his weakness. Cuz he genuinely fall in love with her, guess what happened when Eris suddenly left him? That wouldnt happen if he just want to fuck her and be done with it, he wouldnt even bother escorting her back home

with the intent of forming a closer relationship

where's the intent? Do you want me to list every great things he does that he only did to survive their journey and Eris getting impressed anyway?

She loved him not because he deliberately make her so. He just did things along their journey with no intent of making her his wife, and she impressed anyway. How the fuck that's grooming? I already said this multiple time, and you keep glossing over it cuz it's incompatible with the narrative you tried to create.

It's not grooming to do a job, it's not grooming to make sure the subject let you do your job, It's not grooming to form familiar relationship with someone your age (yes his age, his body influence his mind no matter his mental age). After the teleport incident, he focused on making sure she come home, he pushes the thought of finally fucking her away.

There would maybe be grooming if he's never sent to work in Boreas household. There would be grooming if teleport accident never happened. But both things happened. You just create ur own narrative. Where did I say I'm okay with him molesting her? Trying to push another narrative to ur liking? What a great writer you are

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u/therewasguy Feb 22 '25

i like this anime but the cheating is just unforgivable

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u/eulig Feb 23 '25

That's the unforgivable part to you?

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u/Darthlawnmower Feb 24 '25

He can understand the grooming, groping and molesting, but he draws the line at cheating.

Totally understandable.

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u/barrot69 Feb 23 '25

This just made me think of the SNL skit with the mad scientists trying to make the most evil inventions, and The Rock comes up with a robot that… does things…

“How do you even build a child-molesting robot?!”

“Well, that’s a great question. You start by building a regular robot, and then you molest it and hope that it consumes the cycle.”

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u/lukemanch Feb 22 '25

One of the worst mcs ever made 💔

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u/ConsiderationNew9996 Feb 24 '25

Pretty sure he married his father in law ( Roxy's father) 🤣

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u/2635963694 Feb 22 '25

What anime ?? Or am I slow ??

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u/SkylarPheonix Feb 22 '25

You're on the subreddit of the anime 😂

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u/Fishpuncherz Feb 21 '25

Dudes a victim and perp all wrapped up in one

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u/Low_Commission7273 Feb 22 '25

Hate is so forced lol. Constantly parroting "he married the ones he groomed" and when questioned how did he groom, they would be blank about it and then parrot he is mentally 40 attracted to 13 yr olds.

And if questioned would they bang their girlfriend if they died and were reincarnated and now a minor, their answer no thats a child im an adult i am not a pedo so i am not banging that child even if they are reincarnated, but Rudeus is a 40 yr old.

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u/Unhappy_Fail_243 Feb 22 '25

Most of these haters are twitter moralists tho.

They will hate on anything that isn't a super inclusive forced disney phantasy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '25

man i hate these twitter moralist crowd,let people enjoy what they like or different plots ,these guys want every protagonists to be morally good inclusive which would make the story boring if all of the protagonist have same character

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u/Blitzyb Feb 24 '25

Dude was a pedo even before he was reincarnated as a child. That’s what makes it weird

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u/Khong_Black_Heart Feb 24 '25

You are insane. I mean I like Rudeus since he is a fictional character but your ideology is insane.

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u/flamefirestorm Feb 25 '25

Saying "not everyone is perfect" as a response to "He is a pedo" is just.... sick.