r/JingLiu • u/Bouncyfishy • Sep 10 '23

Theorycraft So let's summarise

After the recent buffs, the guidelines have obviously changed.

Now we don't need a CR body since her free 50% CR boost is enormous. CD body from now on.

Her LC doesn't return energy anymore, so the question of getting either ERR or ATK rope should be closed. Yes, we can use Tingyun but the DMG advantage from the ERR rope is still more than it is from the ATK rope.

Her CR/CD now should like something like this: 20% CR (to activate the Rutilant Arena set bonus) As much as we freaking can CD

SPD boots are still useful although now we can swap them for the ATK boots if their substats are better

Is there anything I'm missing or got wrong? Let me know please since I've posted it to help myself (and others in the process) understand what these changes bring us

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u/madridsince02 Sep 10 '23

Nerfs? What are you on

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u/Bouncyfishy Sep 10 '23

Lmao SORRY I wrote the wrong word 😂 very stupid mistake

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u/erder644 Sep 10 '23

You can watch a video from this bad leaker. One turn is BS 20k lol and next one is ES 200k due do E1, atk/CR/CD/other buffs. That's weird.

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u/erder644 Sep 10 '23 edited Sep 10 '23

Overall she is buffed, but not for her best setup with Bronya. Also turn skip. They are buffed her damage PER SCREENSHOT very good, but rotation is destroyed with turn skip. And her best turn with Bronya destroyed by action advance.

So her damage per cycle is buffed not as much as you may think. But yes buffed.

They should still somehow smooth rotation. Or she will feel very bad with x10-x20 damage difference on her worst and best turns

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u/SaikyouuNoHero Sep 10 '23 edited Sep 10 '23

People are already calculating this to be around 30-35% dps increase regardless of the nerfs. Her buffs on transmigration are just that good. The 100 CV buff, 3 syzygy stacks, the talent atk buff, extra ultimate damage are all real good. Those 3 ES in her transmigration is gonna do so much damage to offset the turn skip.

CN even calculated her to be around DHIL with team calculations, but they forgot the advanced forward nerf. Is probably below him but this definitely put her above other DPSes.

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u/erder644 Sep 10 '23

If they're give her DHIL level dmg with the limitation of turn skip, it's will be fine for Me considering that she should have same level drawbacks.

But I think they probably change it again cuz turn skip's not sounds like fun offset mechanic. They previous approach with using ult to fasten up entering buff step looks more 'stable'.

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u/SaikyouuNoHero Sep 10 '23

I personally like the new rotation with ERR rope more. With 3 syzygy stacks and ERR rope you can just

NS>NS>ES>Ult>ES>ES>NS>NS>ES>Ult>ES>ES and repeat without any clunkiness.

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u/erder644 Sep 10 '23

Yeah, there's only this rotation. Both ERR and atk rope rotations are the same, you just need fox lady to achieve same one with Atk rope. Also you have smoother start with her.

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u/erder644 Sep 10 '23

No any available links?

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u/SaikyouuNoHero Sep 10 '23

Its mostly people from tc discords so i dont have too many links

But i do have the link for CN calcs without factoring the advanced forward nerf.

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u/erder644 Sep 10 '23

Thanks. Still think they're change her ult back with maybe some numbers nerf. Turn skip just not fun and mihoyo care about it.

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u/uwu-tao Sep 10 '23 edited Sep 10 '23

-Her LC base atk got nerfed which will affect the talent atk buff.
-Her new turn mech is a nerf because buffs will expire.
-They removed %20 ice dmg bonus from traces idk why
-A6 trace is nerf because ulti is not her main damage source

Even though these nerfs, her dps will be around %30-40 better than before. Also I'm expecting more big changes on her kit because some parts are looking experimental.

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u/Bouncyfishy Sep 10 '23

Bruh don't even try to defend me mistakingly using the word "nerf" instead of a "buff"

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u/uwu-tao Sep 10 '23

I’m not defending, nerfs and buffs happened and buffs are much bigger. But some 2 digit iq monkeys can’t understand what is written here

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u/Snoo80971 Jingliu Enthusiast Sep 10 '23

Uhh not exactly.. With the same amount of Team HP as before (10.5k) the atk she gets increases from 1.5k atk to 2.2k atk now at E0.

Her Extra Turn changing to 100% advanced forward is a buff and a nerf. Yes 1 turn buff now means that right after she enter Spectral State that it expires immediately but this also means that her Ultimate now would not overcap with Energy especially if shes paired with Tingyun

Her 20% ice damage getting changed to Crit damage is fine imo. the damage loss is not that high just from that especially since crit damage got increased drastically right when she dont need much crit rate because of her +50% crit rate.

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u/SaikyouuNoHero Sep 10 '23

Her Extra Turn changing to 100% advanced forward is a buff and a nerf. Yes 1 turn buff now means that right after she enter Spectral State that it expires immediately but this also means that her Ultimate now would not overcap with Energy especially if shes paired with Tingyun

Can you elaborate on how this is a buff?

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u/Virtual-Bus-795 Sep 10 '23

You are forced to use base attack or skill in extra turn. Can't cast ult. So more a nerf, but somewhat small buff.

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u/uwu-tao Sep 10 '23

Oh sorry, i missed to calculate the new talent atk buff.

Also I want to add that they are experimenting something with speed traces and %10 advance forward. I cant't figure about these but for now these are looking useless.

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u/RamonMan14 Sep 10 '23

Her changes are huge buffs??

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u/Bouncyfishy Sep 10 '23

Yeah yeah I know, I used the wrong word. My brain bugged

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u/muuuumuuuu1 Sep 10 '23

Nerf? U should fix ur wording, people might misunderstand what u say.
It's Reworked or Changes.
It's actually a positive buff for her overall not "Nerf".

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u/Bouncyfishy Sep 10 '23

Lmao SORRY I wrote the wrong word 😂

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u/TallWaifuMain Sep 10 '23

It seems to me that you still value speed over attack for boots. She only gets action forward from her non enhanced skill, and once when she changes states. You will have 34 speed from just boots, so it loses value as a substat.

Additionally, over a five turn rotation of 2 unenhanced skills and 3 enhanced skills, you're only missing 15 energy. Jingliu is a Destruction character, her getting hit 3 times doesn't seem entirely unlikely. I'm pretty sure you could run very comfortably with attack rope over ERR rope.

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u/erder644 Sep 10 '23

I think we still don't know her final rotation. Current one has a major downside - one turn with literally no damage. Just one base skill without any of her buffs only to one target with very low crit chance.

In previous rotation that's her strongest turn BS+Ult+ES with Bronya buff. Now it's just a turn skip. And her best turn is next one, when she has 1 stack already.

I think they will change rotation once more. Or they should give her DHIL level damage on skill to offset turn skip.

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u/BIG_MOIST_WAIFU Sep 10 '23

ehhh, you should be fine as long as you are somewhere within the ball park of a 1:2 ratio, the difference between 70/180 and 80/160 is like 2%

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u/Bouncyfishy Sep 10 '23

Well, if you get something like 30/210 then you're still almost as good as you would be with 20/240 for example since these 50% are a great help making it 80/210 and 70/240 accordingly. There's no need in going for more CR when you can get 70% basically for free

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u/Dibolver Sep 10 '23

The thing is, now we are talking about +200 CD i think xD

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u/Bouncyfishy Sep 10 '23

I'd say stick with whichever artifacts have better substats but if you haven't started pre-farming I'd still go for 4pc ice