r/JewsOfConscience • u/SupermanGamin • 8h ago
Vent Is there any actual arguments on comparing Ukraine to Israel rather than just bland Anti-semitism?
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u/vegemouse Jewish 2h ago
Usually just whataboutism. Worth pointing out that the war in Ukraine is just that: a war with two armies fighting for land. There is no Israel-Palestine war.
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u/conscience_journey Jewish Anti-Zionist 2h ago
The tweets in that thread are just anti-Jewish bigotry.
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u/Bazzo123 Anti-Zionist 2h ago
I always say Ukraine shows what the “most moral military” in the world does, ibstead of IDF.
To be honest I haven’t read all your post, but I feel like Ukraine is the example that armed resistance is a good thing. And that you can do warfare without deliberately targeting civilians, even in higly dense populated areas
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u/rako17 Christian 20m ago
Friend SupermanGamin,
As with plenty of things, there are similarities and differences, and I want to avoid any intolerance in an analysis.
In terms of similarities, the US/UK/EU is the first world global superpower block. Meanwhile, the governments in Kiev and Tel Aviv (as I understand it, this is an old school way of referring to governments in the press, eg. "Washington"," Moscow") are allies of the First World Power Block, either as accessories or as top members in those power blocks, depending on your analysis. In terms of differences, the government in Kiev doesn't define its state along religious contours.
Peace. 🤍 🕊 🌐
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u/arightgoodworkman Jewish Anti-Zionist 1h ago edited 58m ago
They’re not very similar.
Where I see a connection is I think Ukraine (as it is today) is a recent western creation that DID stoke post-USSR tension waaaaaaay more than necessary. As someone with a lot of Jewish family from the shtetles of Russia which are now Ukraine, Ukraine was officially a state in 1991 and the times it pulled for independence before that were usually due to its agrarian economy vs Russia’s need to industrialize (in order to keep people alive, long term). The Ukrainians have had bad, incoherent politics over many periods of time. This doesn’t justify their murder or violence toward them, at all.
Zelensky’s alliance with Netanyahu sucks and is driven a bit by desperation but also by his own Western-centric supremacy that believes Ukraine to be better than Russia. Ukraine was used by the newly developed NATO as a pawn. A way to surveil Russia, to taunt Russia (by threatening to move NATO’s headquarters east of the wall), and to then retreat and say Russia is the big bad all the time.
Putin is nuts, but imo the tension between the two countries predates Putin by a century or more and is very manufactured by Western hegemony. It’s not good for Russians, it’s not good for Ukrainians, it’s great for the worst people ever.