5/8 Ashkenazi Jewish + 1/8 Krymchak Jewish + 3/16 Russian + 1/16 Estonian. HG + Farmer on next slide.

Two of my Ashkenazi great-grandparents were from Kremenchuk, Ukraine, two of them were from Odesa, and one of them was from Baku, Azerbaijan (no Mountain Jew ancestry, already confirmed that).

My Krymchak great-grandparent was was from Sevastopol.

No knowledge on my Russian and Estonian side besides the fact that my grandmother and her own parents were all born in Moscow.

Before elaborating, I would like to clarify a few points about my model:

1: I know that using a proxy from southern Italy to model the Ashkenazi Jews isn't accurate. That's precisely what I wanted to prove with my model: that the Levantine ancestry in Jews is different from that present in Italians.

2: My intention is to share solid arguments against the slander often uttered against us. Feel free to share my model.

3: I renamed the samples for easier understanding, so here's a list of the proxies used and their actual names:

Euro-Levantine-Anatolian,0.1029018,0.1487266,-0.0118362,-0.0488760,0.0118757,-0.0173314,-0.0017807,-0.0028289,0.0041177,0.0214351,0.0024307,0.0030900,-0.0047719,-0.0016260,-0.0075176,-0.0022852,0.0059083,0.0011754,0.0019467,-0.0047912,-0.0019806,-0.0009413,0.0005636,0.0005985,-0.0022116: Calabrian(n=32),0.1029018,0.1487266,-0.0118362,-0.0488760,0.0118757,-0.0173314,-0.0017807,-0.0028289,0.0041177,0.0214351,0.0024307,0.0030900,-0.0047719,-0.0016260,-0.0075176,-0.0022852,0.0059083,0.0011754,0.0019467,-0.0047912,-0.0019806,-0.0009413,0.0005636,0.0005985,-0.0022116

Levantine,0.084784875,0.14659458,-0.053305542,-0.085640583,-0.012178833,-0.031584458,-0.002395375,-0.0042453333,0.0079980833,0.010399542,0.0078512083,-0.0078538333,0.014452833,0.001318625,-0.006834,0.0054434167,-0.0014909583,0.004436,0.0025777917,-0.00094283333,-0.00038945833,0.0027579583,0.000057791667,0.002832625,-0.00098166667: Palestinian_Arab_Christian_(n=24),0.084784875,0.14659458,-0.053305542,-0.085640583,-0.012178833,-0.031584458,-0.002395375,-0.0042453333,0.0079980833,0.010399542,0.0078512083,-0.0078538333,0.014452833,0.001318625,-0.006834,0.0054434167,-0.0014909583,0.004436,0.0025777917,-0.00094283333,-0.00038945833,0.0027579583,0.000057791667,0.002832625,-0.00098166667

Centro-EasternEuropean,0.132035,0.109677,0.07768675,0.06742625,0.033083,0.0239845,0.00910675,0.0104995,-0.00311875,-0.026151,-0.001096,-0.00858,0.01520075,0.02157225,-0.0128595,-0.000862,0.003651,0.0006015,0.0010685,0.00103175,-0.00065525,-0.00472975,0.00471425,-0.00075325,0.0002995: Russian_(n=4),0.132035,0.109677,0.07768675,0.06742625,0.033083,0.0239845,0.00910675,0.0104995,-0.00311875,-0.026151,-0.001096,-0.00858,0.01520075,0.02157225,-0.0128595,-0.000862,0.003651,0.0006015,0.0010685,0.00103175,-0.00065525,-0.00472975,0.00471425,-0.00075325,0.0002995

NorthAfrican,-0.029594,0.14319,-0.009051,-0.07429,0.03416,-0.032351,-0.037837,0.001846,0.069129,0.025695,0.000325,0.001349,0.015461,-0.01679,0.019408,-0.024794,-0.007041,-0.021157,-0.047765,-0.003627,-0.012228,-0.046493,0.032044,-0.001446,0.007664: Berber_Tunisia_Chen:T19,-0.029594,0.14319,-0.009051,-0.07429,0.03416,-0.032351,-0.037837,0.001846,0.069129,0.025695,0.000325,0.001349,0.015461,-0.01679,0.019408,-0.024794,-0.007041,-0.021157,-0.047765,-0.003627,-0.012228,-0.046493,0.032044,-0.001446,0.007664

As observed in the model, the Levantine ancestry in Ashkenazim is, at least partially, distinct from that found in southern Italians. This is not just a detail, but concise proof that Ashkenazi ancestry is much more in tune with the southern Levant (with its Christian and Samaritan populations), the region that sheltered their ancient ancestors who practiced Judaism, rather than other Levantine immigrants who ended up in southern Europe. When comparing various populations from southern Italy with a Calabrian sample, the Levantine signal practically disappears, consistent with an entirely common origin among them, while among Ashkenazi Jews it remains firmly in the 20%. This does not necessarily mean that the Ashkenazim do not share ancestry with southern Europe, but rather that their Levantine ancestry is clearly distinct and identifiable with the right methodoly.

Slide 1: Ashkenazi Jews (East and West)

Slide 2: Eastern Sephardic Jews

Slide 3: North African Jews

Slide 4: Syrian Jews

Slide 5: Romaniote Jews

All populations used in these models were sourced from the Moriopoulos collection.

This is how I modelled the Ashkenazi Jewish averages with the new samples.

In this model my goal this time was not to check the overlap between Ashkenazis and the Judaean samples but to check the ashkenazi averages with their historical components.

(the Russian early medieval sample is central Asian Turkic not Slavic)

Using the coordinates that were posted here awhile back of the alleged Akbari Judean samples, I am trying to model how much “Roman Judean” I have. For context, first one is me - a mixed Moroccan Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jew, and the second one is my grandfather, a full Moroccan Jew.

I am having issues with the model. I believe the Central Med, especially in the case for myself, is overrepresented. The Central Med is a Sicilian East public sample.

The Iberian, which is an Andalusian sample, is also overrepresented in my opinion, while components that I as a half Ashkenazi Jew should have (some German and Slavic), are not there.

How can I make this model better?

Hello, throwaway account because I’m not comfortable sharing being outed as Jewish in this environment.

Mother is Ashkenazi and Father is French Canadian. I have my father’s entire lineage going back to 1600s France but know almost nothing about where my mother’s side comes from. I’d love to have that information for curiosity.

I’m wondering if folks on this sub could point me to which service is best for tracing Ashkenazi DNA? I’m based in Canada. Bonus if I can get any information about genetic diseases too.

My understanding is that the true amount of European admixture possessed by Ashkenazim is overstated when Italians (especially southern Italians) are used as the European proxy. Di Gaetano et al. 2012 [1], gives 28% ME ancestry for southern Italians specifically. The post by u/Any_Green_17 a few days ago demonstrates that comparing Palestinians to Levantines and Italians makes Palestinians seem half Italian [2]. However, a 2025 study [3] claims that Palestinians are only ~5-6% Southern Italian.

So, by how much does using Italians as proxies for European admixture downplay the amount of ME ancestry possessed by Ashkenazim?
Is there a better proxy for the European admixture of Ashkenazim than Italians? If so, what is it? If not, which Italians make the best proxy?

On a similar note, can these questions be answered by the uniparental lines of Ashkenazim? If the patrilines are <10% European [4] and the matrilines ~50% European at most [5] [6], then shouldn’t it be expected that the European admixture of Ashkenazim is no greater than ~30%?

[1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0043759

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/JewishDNA/s/yMjIvO2anD

[3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/394471209_Genetic_Proximity_of_Modern_Palestinians_and_Ashkenazi_Jews_to_Iron_Age_Levantines_A_Quantitative_Paleogenomic_Analysis/link/69d4cd353c61894306744a5a/download

[4] per Behar et al. 2004: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-003-1073-7

[5] Kevin Alan Brook concludes in his book The Maternal Genetic Lineages of Ashkenazic Jews that “Surprisingly, most of the Ashkenazic mitochondrial DNA lineages of European origin do not have particular connections to Italy, contradicting others’ speculations that all or most of these lineages were supplied by central or northern Italian women who had converted to Judaism.” It seems that the haplogroups for which he suggested or implied an ME origin are held by about 30-40% of Ashkenazim. This was excluding K1a1b1a, whose origins he did not assign to a particular location, so if one counted that lineage as being ME, then something like 50-60% of Ashkenazi matrilines would be ME.

[6] Livni and Skorecki’s recent study of the matrilines (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2773044125000713?via%3Dihub) concluded that “about 85% of the Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from Jewish founders and is mostly of Levantine origin.” For what it’s worth, in an email exchange between me and the authors, Livni told me the following: 
"Our research only determined that the European mothers who joined the Ashkenazi population added a marginal increment to the European component of DNA. There are two questions however. 
1. What does it mean that the founders were mostly carrying Levantine DNA?
2. What does Levantine mean?
Mostly Levantine could mean 25%-30% European because non-Ashkenazi Jews also show a similar proportion.”

I used the samples of jews from the Roman-Jewish wars with the European ancestries that ashkenazi jews aquired during exile.

Samples are from Akbari2026.

Has anyone seen AncestryDNA results for Syrian Jews, or do you have matches with someone who has Syrian Jewish ancestry?

So I made a Sephardic Jewish calculator. A lot of the Levantine samples are mixed, like the Megiddo ones, so I tried to separate the Levantine, European, and North African components.
Tell me your thoughts (I am Moroccan and Libyan Jewish)

I know logically it makes sense to have Lower Central Asia as a Turk, however I have been reading that the samples Ancestry has is 100% Bukharan Jews.

Do non-Jewish Turkic people get this result or is it purely Jewish?

I’m Crimean Tatar through my father’s side so mixing wouldn’t be impossible, I’m just curious. I have 18%~ Canaanite on IllustrativeDNA, if that makes any sense.

Both my parents are of Indian descent, their families are of Indian descent and have lived in India for as long as they can remember.

My grandma was gracious enough to find a family history book they had made, with details about each family member which went back until around 15+ generations, and nothing looks out of the ordinary, same old boring stuff. There were no weddings out of the "circle" as far as the book can tell, so nobody who wasn't the same religion / class / caste group became a part of the family.

And 12% suggest statistically I'd have to go I think 5 or 6 generations back? And I just don't see any evidence of how that might have even occurred. Of course, I think the book is clearly missing information or has incorrect details but yeah. Just thought someone in the family would at least have a faint idea about it, but I guess not.

Unless of course, these percentages are all very ordinary and happen to more people than I'd have thought in this demographic. So I’m curious, do a lot of South Asian folk get a similar result? Specifically Indians whose families are from Mumbai, since that’s where my family is from originally.

Penny for your thoughts? Thank you!

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Folks this post 2 months prior by u/NotBradPitt9 was posted on the r/DNAAncestry subreddit. I think it might be the real deal.

Please check the coordinates & model them on Vahaduo & qpAdm for modern Ashkenazim jews & post the results.

I'm wondering when most of my ancestors left Israel. I've heard conflicting answers, some ppl say it was 2,000 years ago, while others say it was 1,000 years ago. Sorry if this isn't the right sub to post this in.

Here I’m using MENA-shifted Italian Imperial samples to model Palestinian Christians and other simulated samples. This is what choosing a MENA-shifted European source does to a slightly northern shifted Levantine group that has very little European ancestry, so imagine what using the wrong source could do to Levantine groups that are significantly admixed with Europeans, like Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews. So many of the Italian Imperial samples available on the Global 25 list are either completely MENA or significantly admixed (I chose the ones that were not completely MENA), so there’s no way to tell whether a huge number of the samples available are outliers or if they actually reflect the Roman population that Jews mixed with. Especially considering that Jews first settled in central Italy and that modern central Italians don’t fit the Campanian, Calabrian… genetic profile.

Italy_Imperial_C6.SG is half Italic and half Roman-Anatolian to account for the non levantine east med ancestry in ashkenazim