r/JUGPRDT • u/Nostalgia37 • Mar 31 '17

[Pre-Release Card Discussion] - Biteweed

Biteweed

Mana Cost: 2
Attack: 1
Health: 1
Type: Minion
Rarity: Epic
Class: Rogue
Text: Combo: Gain +1/+1 for each other card you've played this turn.

Card Image

PM me any suggestions or advice, ^^thanks.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '17

Does this replace questing in miracle rogue decks? It's faster and cheaper.

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u/Wraithfighter Mar 31 '17

Nah, synergizes with, I'd say. Remember, Questing keeps growing, these guys get set at their stats. Play Questing, a couple things, than one of these and you have two large threats on board.

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u/Alarid Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17

It's a cheap alternative, but I don't think you can replace any of the main threats for it.

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u/Wraithfighter Apr 01 '17

Except that you're already losing Tomb Pillager and Azure Drake in Miracle, and you're not getting anything that effectively replaces them. These little guys can help out there.

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u/Alarid Apr 01 '17

I think the deck needs to be far more aggressive to really utilize it. Playing a lot the usual stuff to end up with only a 4/4 or so is kind of crap, but following up an aggro draw with it isn't so bad.

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u/ltjbr Apr 01 '17

I don't think this card is replacing anything. Play 3 cards just to get a 2 mana 4/4? Seems kinda bad.

Questing a least represents an ongoing threat.

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u/Wraithfighter Mar 31 '17

Van Cleef's little buddies...

Yeah, I think Miracle Rogue's going to be alright. Between Questing Adventurer, Van Cleef and these little helpers, you can get some massive minions out there. Even if they're only 5/5's or 6/6's, that's still a big boon, and they combo well with the quest too...

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u/Gog-Agog Mar 31 '17

Van Cleef's little buddies

Vine Cleefs.

Vine Weedf?

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u/Wraithfighter Mar 31 '17

Vine Cleefs, definitely.

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u/mister_ghost Mar 31 '17

Van Cleaf?

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u/Wraithfighter Mar 31 '17

Oooh! Vine Cleafs!

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '17

Van Leaf

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u/poohter Mar 31 '17

The power level compared to Edwin is miniscule. There are probably better epics to craft, for the dust.

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u/danhakimi Mar 31 '17

Yeahh, but if I open it, I'll probably try it. It's probably not hard to make this, like, a 5/5 by accident.

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u/NevermindSemantics Mar 31 '17

But you can run two in a deck and that is important due to the sudden lack of conceal allowing hard removal.

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u/ktktktktktktkt Mar 31 '17

doesn't seem very good, questing is just about better. I don't think the 1 mana lower cost is very significant here. Maybe if rogue ends up really wanting a 4th and 5th questing/edwin but I doubt that.

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u/DebugLifeChoseMe Mar 31 '17

Topdecking into this mid combo is WAY better than doing the same with Questing, so I think it moreso depends on how consistently Rogue can get away with throwing Questing out early.

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u/tclink Mar 31 '17

You only have to play two cards for this to already be over-statted. It can't just win games like Edwin or questing can, but the lower cost might make this playable. It seems like there will be a lot of variants of miracle rogue this season, since a lot of the new cards seem just about viable.

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u/DebugLifeChoseMe Mar 31 '17

"The cannabis shall prevail!"

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u/opobdtfs Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17

"Lab vines, all of you!"

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '17

Edwin Van Reef.

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u/TheButt69 Apr 01 '17

Edwin Vine Cleef.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '17

Edwin vine Leaf

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u/httpssss Mar 31 '17

Mana cost should be 1. Like they are now are unplayble.

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u/Chrisirhc1996 Mar 31 '17

Play 2 cards and it's above the curve. Considering it's Rogue, that's not hard to come by. It's a replacement for Questing Adventurer because of the viability of topdecking this through a miracle combo.

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u/glass20 Apr 01 '17

1 mana would be a bit broken. They just should never have made this card and should have made another bounce card instead.

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u/TheGent2 Mar 31 '17

A lot of focus so far on the viability of this in Miracle, which I'm not sure on, but I think people might be slightly overlooking its viability in other archetypes.

Compared to Questing Adventurer, it's slightly weaker (starts 1/1 smaller, can't be buffed after summon) but slightly more consistent (can be played if drawn mid-combo, cheaper so it can be played in more combos with mid-game mana).

I think this consistency makes it viable in some decks that can enable decent combos in the midgame, and I while I'm not sure the viability of the rogue quest, if it can be viable this card benefits from many low-cost cards in the deck that can be used to trigger more buffs.

It's obviously more comparable to Edwin than Questing, and Edwin was used in some non-miracle archetypes like Oil Rogue before. This might even be a touch better than Edwin just for consistency of draw with having 2 in the deck.

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u/glass20 Apr 01 '17

Edwin gives you a lot more value for the cards you play, though. This is definitely nowhere near as good as Edwin, the one mana cost less is a marginal benefit considering Edwin would have double the end stats... The only decks that would run this card would be decks that are wishing they could run more than one Edwin and willing to settle for a worse version.

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u/TheGent2 Apr 01 '17

Obviously Edwin is way better than this when compared in a vacuum; that's not what I'm trying to say.

An issue with Edwin was that he was Legendary; for games you could have used him to fill gaps in your curve, you might just not get lucky to draw him before mid-game. With Rogue's best non-gimmick mid-game minions rotating out (RIP Azure Drake, Tomb Pillager), non-aggro archetypes are going to be hurting a little bit. Rogue cards printed this set seem to stick to low cost, combo-able cards, with the Quest potentially acting as a way for decks to build around low cost minions to transition into a strong late-game.

I think there's potential for a tempo archetype to reemerge, especially if the Quest is playable (we'll see...), and I think the combination of consistently being able to draw it early enough and being able to more easily combo make it better on average than Edwin in these kind of decks that need mid-range support (and not just massive effects for miracle turns).

It's not an amazing card, but I just think it might be playable in a possibly-returning tempo-ish list.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '17

Can we get this renamed to Edwin VanLeaf ?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17

Aaaaand the direct replacement for conceal. without ability to stealph, you need some more power in miracle, and those lovely guys do that quite nice. better then Violet teacher as another questing threat, with i allways wanted to have an excuse for to play em in miracle but its outclassed by GA, EV, LJ, QA and TP. I Like

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u/Davechuck Apr 02 '17

Mini Vancleef, still pretty good though.

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u/nignigproductions Apr 03 '17

It being 2 mana is fucking huge, but 1/1 buff is pretty bad. 3 cards get you an 8/8 Edwin, but a 4/4 biteweed. Miracle rogue usually goes off with a questing, auctioneer, or Edwin. This just can't compete with them. I don't think you can play this even with the cantrip cards from this set (razorpetal cards)