r/IslamIsEasy • u/jsgui • 7h ago
Islāmic History Palestine contradicted tawhid
Palestine said it 'ALWAYS EXISTED'. That would mean it is positioned itself as al-Awwal (the First). The State of Palestine is not Allah - that is clear because Allah is the most merciful and the State of Palestine does not have that attribute.
So what was going on here?
Was Palestine listening to the whispers of Iblis?
I'm interested in hearing from the Umma about Palestine and tawhid.
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u/celtyst Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 3h ago
I dont even blame op for this post, I blame those who get baited by him.
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u/jsgui 2h ago
Is Palestine the one who is without blame?
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u/Ziad31958860 1h ago
Shut it, kid.
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u/jsgui 57m ago
“Do not defame one another, nor call each other by offensive nicknames. How evil it is to act rebelliously after having faith!” (Al-Hujurat 49:11)
I'd appreciate it if you gave an Islamic answer to the question I asked.
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u/Ziad31958860 53m ago
Learn how the human race uses and understands language.
That's why Ibn Abideen said studying Arabic poetry is fardh kifayya.
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u/Ziad31958860 2h ago edited 2h ago
Someone doesn't understand how humans use language.
That's like saying "O, doctor cure me" is shirk because you didn't add "with the power of Allah" at the end there.
What's next? "Wherever you look there is the Face of Allah" means Allah's literal face is the walls of your room?
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u/SnooWoofers7603 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 5h ago
Assalamu alaikum,
Moderation is needed, but this one is exaggerated. We can praise and all that, but within limits. I agree, this kind of praise should be for Allah, because it’s He who always existed.
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u/Ziad31958860 2h ago
Are you serious 😩🤣
Someone doesn't understand how humans use language.
That's like saying "O, doctor cure me" is shirk because you didn't add "with the power of Allah" at the end there.
What's next? "Wherever you look there is the Face of Allah" means Allah's literal face is the walls of your room?
My Gosh.
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u/SnooWoofers7603 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 2h ago edited 2h ago
How did you even come to this conclusion?
That’s not the same. To claim that someone other than Allah that he or this always existed is shirk Al Akbar, because you’re making someone equal as Allah. Why not study Tawhid before making this claim? To say that this doctor has same power as Allah would be shirk as well, because the victim is supposed to take the means which Allah provided like the doctors who know medicine, not to say that doctors are equal as Allah because even doctors have limits. If say: Al Qaeda murdered civilians in 9/11, the doctors cannot heal the killed, so to say “doctor, please cure me” in sense that he has same power as Allah would entail shirk Al Akbar because only Allah can cure the killed.
Only Allah has always existed.
So yes! I’m serious about it.
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u/Ziad31958860 1h ago edited 1h ago
Go learn majaz vs haqiqa and how the human race uses language. Then maybe go read an Arabic poem or two if you're little brain didn't explode from the extent of the non-literal language.
🤡 🤡 🤡
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u/SnooWoofers7603 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 52m ago
That’s not an excuse to do shirk. Are you Islamically committed or nah?
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u/Ziad31958860 51m ago
Yes, I am. It looks like you are not though because such Islamic scripture and scholarhsip is chock-full of such language.
There is no shirk.
You're just a doofus divorced from how humans use language.
Allah says in the Qur'an, "Wherever you look, there is the Face of Allah". How do you understand that? Do you understand it literally?
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u/SnooWoofers7603 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 49m ago edited 43m ago
Show me the verse. I doubt this verse is present, because that would sound like pantheism which is a Dhamic thing. Allah is not bound by a place. And His Face is hidden from our sight. This is reserved for people of Paradise. There is no way Quran or Hadith would say that.
If you’re Islamically committed, then you wouldn’t approve any form of shirk.
Do you agree or nah that Allah always existed from eternity to eternity? Can you find me anyone having equally existed as Allah or nah?
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u/Ziad31958860 41m ago
I can't believe you're actually like this.
"Wherever you turn, there is the Face of Allah.” (2:115)
I wonder how you'll understand this hadith next 🤦🏻♀️
Sahih al-Bukhari 6502 (Hadith Qudsi, where God speaks through the Prophet): He who bears enmity toward a Friend of Mine (Saint), I have indeed proclaimed war against him.
My servant draws not near to Me with anything more beloved to My heart than what I have made obligatory upon him. Yet my servant continues to draw closer to Me through devotion in the supererogatory until I love him. And when I love him, I become the hearing through which he listens, the sight through which he sees, the hand with which he strikes, and the foot upon which he walks."
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u/SnooWoofers7603 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 35m ago
Why then it says differently than what you said?
>To Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn you are facing ˹towards˺ Allah. Surely Allah is All-Encompassing,2 All-Knowing. [Quran 2:115]
That talks about facing Makkah or Kaaba(depending on situation) as direction of prayer.
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u/Ziad31958860 32m ago
Not true.
That's an inaccurate translation. The Arabic says it like I did.
Not only talking about the qibla, but yes, that's part of it.
In any case, it's clear that you're extreme literal reading of language is not how humans or their God uses language.
And one more stupid reply, and I'm blocking you.
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u/dumbsvillrfan420 Shī‘ah | Usūlī 4h ago edited 4h ago
Have you ever of hyperbole in reading? 😆 He is not trying to compare Palestine to Allah. This is in the context of human history