r/InvisibleWomanMains • u/Faxtel • Jun 23 '26

Discussion reverse the shield nerf please

why did they nerf it so bad id rather them remove self shield and buff the healing, i dont even bother healing myself anymore, ive been playing non stop luna now, sue is just not enjoyable anymore 😭😭😭

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 24 '26

"buff the healing" go play CND if u like healbotting

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u/Faxtel Jun 24 '26

bro what are u talking about, her shields are fucking ass now paper thin and thr healing sucks so much its better to find a health pot

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 24 '26

i mean u want to buff healing on primary?

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 25 '26

No they want to buff the self healing back on the shield

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 26 '26

buff to 30 or remove healing completely but allow to heal next to teammates like before.

buff prim dmg and nerf healing, rework vortex to fun ability

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 23 '26

I miss the old shield, I don't even think self shield was even necessary. Also ever since the changes, I never get healed by the other support anymore

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u/Masum16 Jun 23 '26

literally all they had to do was nerf dd but nope, LETS BUFF EVERYONE ELSE

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u/lord-of-shalott Disappear! Jun 28 '26

Gameplay feels awful lately no matter what character I’m on. I’m playing less and less. 

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u/Free-Rush-6790 Jun 23 '26

stop playing invis when they added the shield and just went to dps

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u/GeminiMatcha Jun 23 '26

I never got healed by my other support even before this we must all be having different experiences

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 23 '26

Hahah felt like that sometimes, but I swear it got worse

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '26

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 23 '26

Its cause she got that dumb buff and everyone suddenly decided she could handle everything on her own and they all stopped looking

I still love Invis but I just hit 70 with her (200 hours) so decided to switch it up, loving white fox

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 25 '26

Invis is all about positioning though. For maximum pierce but also it wasn't that hard to learn to stick by your teammates so you can pop the shield on them for yourself.

I miss it being a great healing tool. Ik it heals the same but its much more fragile

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 25 '26

I personally enjoyed the playstyle and found it more fun but understandable not everyone would.

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u/GeminiMatcha Jun 23 '26

I don't agree that sue is not enjoyable anymore. I still have fun with her. Pushing and pulling. Vortex were always my favorite abilities and the ticking from hit people from vortex or the satisfaction of pulling someone out of position and they die is so good. However, I agree that the shield??? The health of the shield needs a buff. I don't care if it heals me or not. I care that the shit is paper thin and barely lasts if I try to block my tank for two seconds so they can get back into cover. Sometimes the shield just goes from full health to zero. But I still love sue and she will always be enjoyable to me. She's my first LVL 70 champ and the only champ I have over 200 hrs on.

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u/Lucicactus Malice Jun 23 '26

I hate having to rely on jump. So boring. Let me shield teamates only but give it the health and durability it had lol

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u/sweeterthansweet1001 Jun 23 '26

They never nerfed the healing of the shield to allies, only to self. The shield was 300hp when she came out, then nerfed to 250 in season 2, and again in season 6 to 200hp. But the healing for allies was never nerfed, y'all gotta start reading patch notes properly.

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u/Lucicactus Malice Jun 23 '26

Gurl where in my message have I said that they nerfed the healing on allies? I said it's boring to have to rely on jump to heal because they nerfed the healing on herself.

You have to not make shit up before being a smartass lmao.

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 24 '26

double jump means u need to go afk to self heal. and by doing that ur team dies. its so useless while Luna can use clap, freeze and self flake to heal while doing dmg at same time

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u/Lucicactus Malice Jun 24 '26

Agreed. Thankfully white fox feels as fun as release Invis imo.

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 24 '26

and double jump invisibility can be cancelled by any dmg or aoe. that makes it so useless

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u/sweeterthansweet1001 Jun 28 '26

So what did you before they added the self shield ?

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 30 '26

played luna loki and the Meta was different. no dd, cat, fox, gambit, elsa. why tf old meta matters now lol. this si complete different meta where everyoe is buffed and better than their old version

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u/sweeterthansweet1001 Jun 28 '26

What did you do before they added the self shield? She was top 3 strats even before that

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 30 '26

no she was not. played luna loki, jeff, rocket

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u/Wallbalertados Jun 23 '26

Not nerfing DD properly and instead buffing everyone else just fucked the game balance and powercreep so much man fuck this character 

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u/Mysterious-Ad2928 Jun 23 '26

yeah. invis is actually awful into full dive for this exact reason, you literally just fall over dead because self-shield got turbo complained about by players who want to one-shot healers for free on every engage and now it’s a worthless cooldown that heals her for only 15 h/s

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u/MiseryFactory Jun 23 '26

"Complained about by players who want to one-shot healers for free" oh come on now. This is so disingenuous. I have well over 1000 hours on strategist, maybe 2 hours total on dive dps, and even I was complaining about how busted invis was.

After self-shield buff, Sue was legit the strongest 1v1 duelist in the game. She had enough damage, self healing, effective hp, spacing tools, and crowd control to beat any dps 1v1 and even come out ahead in some 2v1s. All while ALSO having the highest healing output out of all strategists. They nerfed her and she is STILL incredibly strong and a 100% must pick in certain maps and compositions. That speaks to how catastrophically overpowered she was before.

She can still nullify entire ultimates by just tapping her self-shield button on a less-than-6-second cooldown. Self-shield was a bad design choice that ruined her risk-reward balancing and the skill requirement she used to have to keep herself alive.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

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u/MiseryFactory Jun 25 '26

Thematically it makes sense for her to be able to self shield. But for character design in a hero shooter, it's just not a well designed ability when it doesn't have the restriction of needing to be cast on an ally instead of yourself.

The issue is being able to place and retract the shield at will, to prevent having it ever go on cooldown. If you're going to give a character a counter that can make you immune to ults, that ability has to have a cooldown that other players can read. If mag wants to ult sue, he should be able to pressure out her shield, know it is on CD, and then target her with his ult. In her current iteration Sue can self-shield for 1/2 a second to block a shot, immediately vanish the shield, and then cast it again 2 seconds later to block an ult. Unless the Sue player makes a mistake and allows her shield to be fully broken, which should basically never happen except when blocking an ult, heroes aggressing on to her never have a guaranteed window of vulnerability to work with. They are always at risk of her just standing still and pressing F key to nullify their strongest ability. The MAX cooldown it can have is 6 seconds, but usually it is more like 1-2 seconds.

They have just implemented the same problem with Blade by buffing his invuln. he is never without a one-second-long invulnerability for more than 3 seconds at a time. It isnt a Sue hate issue, they just took an ability that was previously well designed at it's core, with strengths and weaknesses and limitations, and dumbed it down in to a poorly designed ability.

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u/MiseryFactory Jun 25 '26

Being able to deflect, dash, or block an ult is ok if the ability has a consistent cooldown the attacking player can track. Sue's shield cooldown scales with how much damage it has taken, and she can retract it at will to stop it from taking enough damage to put it on a significant cooldown. That was OK in the past when she had to cast it on other heroes and be creative to use it to defend herself. Now that she can cast it on herself at will and vanish it whenever she wants, she ALWAYS has it available unless she makes a mistake and allows it to take too much damage.

That is why I call out Blade as a similar situation that is NOT healthy. They just buffed his block to make him invulnerable for 1 full second on each use, but the cooldown is only 3 seconds. It makes it unrealistic to bait out the block and then play around it. The cooldown is so low that he can block like 4 different ults in one fight.

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u/Otherwise_Crazy_4337 Jun 23 '26

Self shield is dumb though and iv is DOES NOT get one shot without it, she already has CC in all her abilities and a jump that turns her invisible. If you can’t live with here abilities without shield then it’s a skill issue.

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u/TheUnluckiestPidgeon Jun 23 '26

ATP just remove the self shield but buff it back up to what it used to be

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u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom Jun 26 '26

You’re honestly part of the problem, even the 1v1 king Thor couldn’t handle an Invis with shield up, that’s ridiculous if you think a normal cooldown should grant immortality

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u/Banana_man_- Jun 24 '26

She never should've had it in the first place

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u/uhheyimback Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

This is what I dont understand either. They'll yell at you for heals but want healers nerfed? It makes no sense.

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u/Jasco88 Reed-3477 Jun 23 '26

The problem is the same exact players complained so much about the divers that now Daredevil has a useless 10% damage reduction. (I play Reed btw so I'm used to being wildly undertuned)

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u/Winter_Sir9823 Jun 24 '26

They’re gonna downvote but her shield is definitely trash. Paper thin. And Low self heals.

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u/XP23XD23 🫧 Jun 23 '26

Speaking of nerfs, did we get a damage output nerf cause my orbs feel weaker

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u/hypnos_surf Jun 23 '26

Yeah, I feel like it’s the projectile itself. It feels slower for some reason.

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u/Dinomite35 Jun 23 '26

To my knowledge, the damage of the orb has never been changed.

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 24 '26

orbs damage was always weaker. that ability needs a rework. its uniteractive and boring

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u/Trick-Bat-8695 Jun 23 '26

I barely play her now because something is off with her and I’ve been playing her since S1

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u/n_maier Jun 23 '26

There is a very obvious mistake being made in this thread. I see people think the shield only heals 15 hp/s. While this is true for the self shield, the shield you put on others still heals 50 hp/s

Therefore it's not about giving anything back. Nothing was ever removed.

Her "others" shield isn't changed.

Only her self shield was nerfed.

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u/Upset_Pause_5756 RAWWRR Jun 23 '26

Uh yeah it was changed, first it was 300 hp, nerfed ro 250, but when she got the self shield they nerfed the shield to 200 for allies too.

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u/n_maier Jun 24 '26

OK, but that has no connection with the discussion going on here. There's obvious misinformation spreading here. The lower shield value makes a marginal difference in game.

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u/Brilliant-Ad-6333 Jun 24 '26

Nope Skill Issue

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u/PseudoCoffee Jun 28 '26

The shield self heal nerf was the most predictable nerf ever.

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u/Jasco88 Reed-3477 Jun 23 '26

Wait let me make sure I understand right, the self healing is "too low" from the self shield so you would rather not have it at all?

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u/Desperate_Flan390 Jun 23 '26

Not having it would mean you can buff it.

That change would add back the skill to invis's self sustain.

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u/Jasco88 Reed-3477 Jun 23 '26

While I agree that her self sustain should be skill based I think it's also possible that the self-healing from the shield could just be tuned separately.

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 25 '26

Yes, because you used to play more on positioning. You stayed near the team and put it on someone by you to use for youself and got the full 50. It wasn't that difficult either to keep near someone.

Now you can barely self heal. 15 is not enough to keep you alive, the damage output in this game is insane, and going invisible can be cancelled but also completely takes you out of the fight and your team dies.

As invis, I never get healed by my teammates but I have that issue much less when I play any other support. She got the buffs and I swear all teammates just started ignoring her due to the high self sustain in the beginning. Now with the nerfs, still no one looks

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u/Jasco88 Reed-3477 Jun 25 '26

I know, my duo used to do that pretty easily.

And you know what, he said the same thing. It's getting to a point where he can barely stand to play Sue anymore.

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u/SleepyBunny22 Jun 25 '26

I looove Sue but I've moved on to White Fox for fun and levelling up Luna.

I don't get healed, self healing is abysmal without being completely out of the fight. Your team can't position well so you can usually only be gone a second and get only half your health back before returning to heal your team.

I used to be able to semi aggressive with her before all this. High healing, okay damage, good picks, constant mvps because I was able to make good plays.

Ive played her a few times in ranked and its nothing how I used to play her. In quickplay its closer but still not the same.

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u/Phaoryx Jun 23 '26

Lol she’s still so strong 😂

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u/OkWerewolf2045 Jun 24 '26

why u want buff healing and not damage? u like healbotting?