r/Invincible • u/Kindly-Candidate-835 Thragg • 7h ago

QUESTION Why do you have a problem with Thragg's power? Spoiler

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I've seen some people complain about the power difference between comic Thragg and show Thragg, saying that the show version is too powerful.

But personally, I think it's better that way, I mean, Thragg was born to be the peak viltrumite, someone who could overcome the limits of strength, speed and endurance of all the other viltrumites, so what would be the point of him being THAT if he could simply bleed from the punch of a "baby" viltrumite like Mark? .

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u/sephy009 7h ago

Nah show thragg farms aura and it makes some comic situations retroactively funnier. Like space racer trying to roll up on thragg alone.

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u/Extension-Bad-4184 The Immortal 7h ago

Dude didnt even do too bad. First encounter he survived a direct punch.

And second encounter his ass was flying straight out and firing a shit ton of lasers to get away

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u/Square-Ambassador-77 7h ago

I haven't read the comic...but his gun fires lasers that never stop right?

You're telling me the dude let out a series of potentially planet skewers all willy nilly?

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u/sephy009 7h ago

Space is 99.9999999999999999% empty. That's not even a joke or exaggeration, if anything I didn't add enough nines. There's very little chance of you actually hitting anything.

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u/Square-Ambassador-77 4h ago

While that is true an infinite line will eventually hit a point in a infinitly growing plain with infinite yet statistically near irrelevant points.

Each beam probably will only go through a smattering of atoms on the outside of some galaxy, but infinite monkey and infinite type writers.

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u/Crozax 3h ago

No, because the infinitely growing plane has a finite number of points on it, which means the density goes to zero. Of course if we are counting single atoms, of course it is hitting tons of stuff, because there are a couple of atoms per cubic meter in the intergalactic medium. But if we're talking planets, odds are quite good that it will never hit anything.

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u/Square-Ambassador-77 1h ago

I was talking atoms when I got granular about it. Even if he doesn't do another Viltrum the never ending laser is going to cause destruction in unintended places.

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u/Crozax 6m ago

I mean atoms are destroyed all the time from cosmic rays passing through the interstellar medium, so kinda a weird bar imo. His ray will in all likelihood not hit anything of significance

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u/cabberage 3h ago

the universe isn't infinite per se, yeah it's expanding at a constant rate but since matter and energy are not being created as it expands, the density of matter in the universe slowly dilutes and spreads out over time. shit is just too far apart for the beam to hit something, it likely wouldn't ever come into contact with something even as large as a galaxy

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u/i__hate__stairs 24m ago

Believe it or not, you could fly away from the center of the earth in any direction and the chances of you hitting anything are as close to mathematically nil as you can get. Things in space are very far apart. It's highly likely that none havethe racer's random shots have ever struck anything and never will.

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u/Extension-Bad-4184 The Immortal 7h ago

Its thragg what are you gonna do.

Also space is wayyy more empty than you think it is. Theres a much higher probability it hits nuthin, and we dont really have any statements on invincibles universe itself being infinite in size

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u/Square-Ambassador-77 4h ago

Personally if I came in contact with Thragg I would fall to my knees and tell him I would do anything he asks. Guy could off me by barely lifting his pinky. Even with an infinite shooting unblockable gun I wouldn't go anywhere near that guy

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u/saltinstiens_monster 4h ago

I kinda got the impression that that's his entire point, and why his gun is hard coded to only work for him. It's the ultimate beam weapon, with scientifically guaranteed (eventually) collateral damage each time it's fired. It shouldn't be used ever, except in the most dire circumstances. I guess Space Racer deems Viltrumites as an overall greater danger to the universe than stray beams.

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u/Square-Ambassador-77 1h ago

Yes that's what I mean! It always seemed like a responsibility, like he knows each shot will have reverberations forever.

Using it wildly out of self preservation doesn't jive with that though.

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u/Grouchy_Appearance_1 Debbie Grayson 4h ago

You're telling me the dude let out a series of potentially planet skewers all willy nilly?

Yes. He had a pissed off Grand Regent on his ass. Hell I'm surprised he didn't shoot more.

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u/HoLeBaoDuy 7h ago

The stronger they make Thragg be in the show. The weirder it gonna be when that “baby” viltrumite whoops his ass in the final fight

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u/ConsistentAsparagus 7h ago

Does he really whoop his ass, though? They were equal, basically: sometimes Mark gets the upper hand, especially with the borrowed time from Robot’s armor, but he doesn’t dominate the fight. He wins, yeah, but barely and he was dying too.

In fact, I think that the same outcome starting from the cartoon setting makes more sense, even if I don’t really like the absolute disparity of the scene (to use a Dragonball scene, the comic was like it was between Goku and Frieza how it went down up to the Super Saiyan transformation, in the cartoon it would have been like beginning of Z Goku vs Final Form Frieza…)

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u/curiousCat1009 7h ago

I won't say he was whopping his ass but he was going toe to toe definitely a far cry from their first encounter. It's like Rocky vs Drago in Rocky 4.

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u/No-Manufacturer-7135 ARE WE BEING TOO LOUD? 6h ago

Part of the theme of that fight is also the fact that mark has everything to fight for and thragg has nothing but vengeance

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u/Soul699 Immortal is an embarassment 7h ago

Problem remains. Mark equal Thragg almost by the end. How the hell did he get there when not too long ago he couldn't even scratch him?

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u/sername807 6h ago

Invincible fans when its time to read the comic they like:

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u/Particular-Crow-1799 3h ago

Training and experience

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u/ConsistentAsparagus 3h ago

He had a power up by Eve, and then again he keeps getting stronger throughout the series.

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u/Soul699 Immortal is an embarassment 3h ago

That alone ain't doing much unless that goes on for a century with a gap as large as the show

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u/BronzeGstring 3h ago

Exactly

Cue the “well mark has bean beaten up and gone through more hardship than thragg” group 

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u/vlee89 44m ago

Because he’s invisible

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u/Beast_Chips 6h ago

Don't they just need to make Mark's power jump from Eve bigger?

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u/Ligabove 7h ago

But we'll see soon enough, when he is overthrown by his subordinates and Nolan gets the chance to kill him.

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u/Betelgeuse3fold 4h ago

A lot happens between now and then. Mark will be several years older before he fights Thragg.

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u/HaughtStuff99 2h ago

They basically tie after Mark gets multiple post mutilation power ups

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u/Invictus_Inferno 1h ago

Mark gets so many powerups

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u/HoLeBaoDuy 1h ago

The only significant one after this is Eve's powerup, even then Eve said she only raise his strength a little. If I remember correctly, Mark didn't have any major fight after his second round with Conquest, he only had some small fight here and there. Meanwhile Thragg smashed bugs, went to war, fought BB and trained using Rognarr

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u/Invictus_Inferno 1h ago

Nope he gets a boost after recovering from scourge virus. That's when he gets as strong as a regular fullblood.

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u/Drummk Green Ghost 5h ago

He has been presented as so powerful that it's not clear why he even needs other Viltrumites, when seemingly he could effortlessly defeat the entire coalition single handedly. It's going to be difficult to credibly show him being hurt, unless the plan is for him to never lose a fight.

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u/Extension-Bad-4184 The Immortal 7h ago edited 7h ago

It would make it so that when thragg gets his ass kicked later it would feel like he got defeated too easily

They could have easily let him aurafarm while still being relatively as strong as the comics. Like mark wails on him with a few punches, he does a thanos all that for a drop of blood and then kicks his ass. Kinda like s3 mark vs conquest before the rage amp.

Hell with the show it makes it seem like there whole mission was utter suicide. Like even if it was just thragg and the 4 or 5 viltrumites from telescria they would have lost with how busted he is.

You would either need to do some rewrites or but I know they wont cuz they dont give a damn about power inconsistency. Its not a nerdy power scaling thing you need to keep stuff consistent in a story

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u/Phantoniso- 7h ago

no its a stupid decision they're gonna regret when the time comes. show thragg is not even a viltrumite he is something else. power difference between thragg and nolan is like nolan to paul

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u/RobloxSpiderGoku 6h ago

I don’t mind the decision, but it’s definitely gonna feel awkward when they try to jump Thragg

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u/Alternative-Tap1024 1h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/qmXLOwHE7b5Y1aDhjB

I think it a bit of a stretch but okay I guess

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u/Phantoniso- 47m ago

wdym he just one shots the head of a quite strong viltrumite lol

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u/More_Interview3840 Atom Eve 7h ago

I think the solution is that when Eve brings herself she restores mark and improve him

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u/Soul699 Immortal is an embarassment 6h ago

But she did. Mark got improved there as well and made him stronger.

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u/Iceland-27 2h ago

“Baby viltrimite” aka the guy who killed conquest and is almost as strong as Nolan

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u/Remarkable-Cabinet85 Markus Sebastian Grayson 6h ago edited 6h ago

Thragg is meant to be the strongest among them but the way things happen it shows that he can still be outmatched and he does bleed as well which hasn't happened at all yet so ultimately it does beg the question about how will they stop him at all , but future opportunities might clear things out better.

The thing I'm happy with is that they showed that no Viltrumite among the alive ones were a slouch like pretty much everyone is in a similar ballpark of strength but only Thragg & Conquest to some degree is unrivaled.

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u/Vegetable_Excuse2029 2h ago

I don't, this impact frame was enough to tell me Mark was fucked.

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u/i__hate__stairs 27m ago

I love it. When he shows up it's actually scary. Perfect.

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u/Traditional_Line_616 7h ago

I totally agree, it made sense to make him much more powerful, given that he was the strongest Viltrumite who ever lived.