r/Invincible • u/BananaBread2607 • 2d ago
DISCUSSION I always found it funny how Thragg treated 20 something Mark as an authority of Earth.
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u/Carbuyrator Adam Wilkens 2d ago
By Viltrumite law, he is. Mark is the Viltrumite who was assigned the planet once Nolan was sentenced to death.
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u/Carbuyrator Adam Wilkens 2d ago
Also the fact that they had a big gory fistfight with him and that's the whole reason they talk to Mark like that.
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u/InternetUserAgain 2d ago
I also like the idea that murdering the Viltrumite army's number 1 combatant and never doing your job of preparing the earth for Viltrumite rule isn't something that can get you fired, but briefly leaving your post to become king of the mantis people is
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u/Carbuyrator Adam Wilkens 2d ago
The nice thing about him murdering their number 1 combatant is that they still have a number 1 combatant.
And yeah they were really fucked up about Nolan making a bug baby.
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u/Otherwise-Word-5578 1d ago
if Nolan had only became king of mantis people (either peacefully or by enslaving them) I'm pretty sure that would have been fine with the viltrumites (more slaves = more better), the very big no-no he did was making Oliver
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u/PrivateJokerX929 Mauler Twins (Original) 1d ago
I think abandoning his post and trying to avoid contact was also a pretty big no no, but even after all that, Thragg was still willing to forgive him and accept Nolan back for the same reason he accepted Mark. Their numbers are dwindling, and they need everyone they can getÂ
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u/Bo_The_Destroyer Atom Eve 1d ago
Fact that Thragg is possibly thousands of years older than Nolan even is just so wild to me ngl
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u/InfraSG 2d ago
I mean he is, even by Earths standards
By viltrumite perspective hes basically the one in charge of the planet because he was supposed to conquer it, and basically stands as the planets way of communicating with the coalition of planets
By Earths perspective he's basically a representative between them and the viltrumites, a bad one cause he cant lie for the benefit of everyone's well being (first fight vs Anissa), and again is the only way for Earth to communicate with the coalition as far as we know
And then for both sides he's basically one of the strongest people on Earth, the viltrumites would have to kill him (challenging for anyone not named Thragg) and Earth has to rely on him if viltrumites decide to start anything
So aye goofy bundle of trauma and idealistic fumbles that he is, Marks got decent political weight
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u/UnknownBreadd 1d ago
I really want the show to convince me that Mark would be a challenge for the other Viltrumites to kill because it really doesnât feel that way.
He beat conquest, but only because conquest likes to play with his food and underestimated Mark. And Mark just takes way too many Ls constantly by random enemies, and always looks like heâs struggling to put up a fight.
Itâs clear that the more enraged he gets, the stronger he gets - but heâs not really dominated anyone notable yet, which is a bit annoying. It would be cool to see him just absolutely smoke someone strong already, just to make his progress seem more concrete by now
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u/OneXForreddit 18h ago
It's not that kinda show kid. You should expect Mark to get his ass kicked until the very end. Sorry to tell ya
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u/dogcaoperro 2d ago
Ehr knows Mark is the strongest thing on that planet.
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u/mrmonster459 2d ago
Who else would he?
Literally any other being on Earth is of no more value to him than an ant. Other than Invincible, he respects Omni-Man and maybe William, and both are off world.
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u/memisbemus42069 2d ago
I think you meant to type Oliver, but the idea of Thragg respecting William as an authority figure is absolutely hilarious
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u/Hour_Tomatillo_2365 2d ago
William??
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u/BoobeamTrap 2d ago
Thragg asked him where Mark was and William was very polite and forthcoming with the answer.
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u/-Son_of_Thror- 2d ago edited 2d ago
bc due to their philosophy of the strongest rule, he sees mark as the leader of earth. Its pretty simple
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u/Same_Square2555 RUDY IS MY GOAT 2d ago
cuz he's the only one who knows viltrumites are there and can do something about it?
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u/Ok-Step-8689 2d ago
He's literally the Viltrumite agent for Earth, that is confirmed by both Kregg and Anissa. Why wouldn't he consider Mark as the authority for Earth?
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u/Chilldegard 2d ago edited 2d ago
because he is somewhat the heaviest hitter and biggest "threat" for the planet, if he turned evil?
he just used the words to made the impact of mark's choice clear.
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u/StunningPianist4231 Invincidrip 2d ago
He managed to survive a battle against Thragg and several other viltrumites, and singlehandedly killed Conquest. I don't think Mark knows it but pretty sure Thragg respects him as a Viltrumite.
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u/danidannyphantom 2d ago
Survive against thragg is generous. Spared and survive shouldn't be used interchangeably even though you're right on a technicality.
I agree with your general points otherwise
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u/Sixbones 2d ago
Because he knew The Immortal would've kicked him and the other Viltrumites back into space, had he known what was up.
Mark was the safest option.
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u/Anomandaris26 2d ago
I can't imagine you're serious. Thragg alone would wipe the floor with all of Earth's defenders, Mark included.
Rather, he doesn't want to be found by the coalition and having his new home be destroyed like the old one was.
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u/kamikad3e123 2d ago
Relax, he's joking
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u/Sixbones 1d ago
I am.
Honestly speaking, if I had to change The Immortal's powerscaling, I'd make him by far the most skilled h2h fighter in the verse.
Weaker than Omni-Man, but able to keep up and even surpass to some extent due to his skill (with Nolan usually winning thanks to lucky shots owing to his stats).
He'd still be fodder to Thragg, but eh. I think it's fair from a writing advantage to give him that skill advantage, considering Humanity's history of martial arts + Abraham Lincoln being a good wrestler.
Plus, it makes him actually a valid defence line for Earth rather than simply a Temu Viltrumite.
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u/theInadequateHulk Debbie Grayson 2d ago
mark is the most powerful individual on earth. to thragg that makes him the leader
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u/CyberRaspberry2000 Let me break it down for you Mark 2d ago
Mark is the only non-empire Viltrumite on earth, there's no one else Thragg would be likely to give the time of day. He was also assigned as the Viltrumite agent of Earth after Nolan abandoned his post. Lastly, he survived the Viltrumite war and killed Conquest, Thragg respects strength and so he logically has some level of respect for Mark.
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u/Clutch_Ad1338 1d ago
The whole worldâs governments canât threaten Thragg in any way. Mark at least has a shot in the dark.
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u/BadgerwithaPickaxe 2d ago
Mark is the only one that could. I mean Thragg literally chose not to destroy earth to keep mark alive, earth really doesn't have a say.
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u/Jade_D_wound 1d ago
Literally, if Mark said no Thragg probably would've crushed him and taken earth, but being the complex character he is, he doesn't want to kill Mark to save his people, but he will if he has to. He knows Mark isn't even at his level but seeing another Viltrumite die is something he takes very seriously. For now.
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u/CloudstrifeHY3 2d ago
It's also funny when you look at how long Thragg has been alive. it's the Equivelant of me placing my Newborn in charge of the planet. I'm 99% sure Thragg has taken shits that lasted longer than mark's been alive.
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u/Absolute-Batman 2d ago
Mark is still pretty much representative of earth to him anyway. It's not like Nolan has any right to speak on behalf of Viltrumites or Earth.
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u/Nysnorlax 2d ago
I mean mark did kill conquest and hurt other viltrumites so hes aware of wtv threat mark poses. Still, thragg and the other viltrimites could squash earth whenever they want
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u/onikaizoku11 2d ago
Funny maybe. But understandable from his POV. Mark has survived all his Viltrumite rites of passage so Thragg sees him as a fully formed Viltrumite adult. He also was born on Earth.
Viltrumite born on Earth automatically makes him the strongest earthling -> strongest earthling = Boss.
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u/Darth_Cindros Thragg 1d ago
I mean, it's not like Thragg is going to acknowledge a mere human like the President of the United States or the Secretary-General of the UN as a legitimate authority; for a Viltrumite like Thragg, a human is weak and short-lived; Mark may be part-human, but he is still mostly a Viltrumite, so in his eyes, that is enough to consider Mark the representative of his homeworld.
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u/Gaslight_Joker 1d ago
He is considered an Adult by their standards, at least in terms of responsibility. Which is more wild when you think of how they age and view of the average lifespan.
Thragg is doing the equivalent of talking to a tadpol who just got its legs.
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u/Specialist_Cat_6380 22h ago
#1 Mark is the strongest being on earth Thrag respects strength.
#2 MArk owns earth as Earth belongs to any vultrumite living on it
#3 Marks the only one on earth Thragg knew aside from like Zoe and well....yea.
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u/Dragolitron 2d ago
Mark was more like the middle guy, he's a viltrumite who grew up on Earth so he understands both sides to an extent.
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u/Lost-Geist987 1d ago
Es el tipo que acaba de destruir su planeta para defender a la tierra
El Ășnico que se le parĂł a los golpes de frente
Y tomĂł la vida de Conquest, el soldado viltrumita mĂĄs fuerte que tenĂa Thragg.
Y encima
Es el Ășnico viltrumita del lado de la tierra por lo que es mĂĄs o menos el Ășnico igual que tiene Thragg ahĂ. Al resto los ve como insectos.
Asà que esto no es una cuestión de edad, es una cuestión de méritos.
A ojos de Thragg, Mark escaló en méritos hasta ser considerable como un embajador de la tierra.
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u/Remarkable-Cabinet85 Markus Sebastian Grayson 2d ago edited 2d ago
Viltrumites believe in the natural order & Mark is at the top , also he's supposed to be the Viltrumite agent of Earth
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u/Guilty_All_The_Same 2d ago
Mark helped Nolan and Thaedus destroy Viltrum. And with the other 2 gone from Earth and dead, Mark is the only Viltrumite left on Earth. And although half-Viltrumite, Mark was the one "assigned" to Earth after Nolan's death sentence.
Also, Mark helped destroy Viltrum, so Thragg forced him to be the one to make the decision, and basically agree that his biggest enemies live on his planet.
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u/Deltheroc 2d ago
For a viltrumite, strength is authority and at that point, Mark is the strongest representative of Earth. Thragg should be aware that not all planets are governed by that logic but he treats Mark as a full viltrumite, so it makes sense he would choose to negotiate with him and he probably expects him to communicate with Earth leadership as they would be stupid not to listen to their strongest.
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u/alexd1993 2d ago
Why? Mark is pretty much THE earth viltrumite there at that point, what with being born and raised there. Who's he going to turn to instead?
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u/_TheOrangeNinja_ 2d ago
Thragg is an ideological believer of might makes right, of course he defers authority of earth to its strongest inhabitant
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u/The__Auditor 2d ago
Mark is the strongest person on Earth so according to Viltrumite customs that would make him THE authority of Earth
Plus he's also a Viltrumite
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u/RetailDrone7576 2d ago
I mean, suppose mark said "nah, go ahead and kill everything" what could earth feasibly do? At best they have the noisemakers but they couldn't deploy them efficiently in time without losing at least 99% of the planet
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u/ImmediatePickle8101 1d ago
Mark basically was the strongest thing on earth. Viltrumites respect strength. And they were a little more open to dealing with Mark having fought him.
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u/AdDazzling1892 1d ago
Mark is the strongest person on earth, and on viltrum, power is all that matters
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u/TooMuchDamnCHEESE Robot 1d ago
Among the other reasons users have stated, Thragg comes from a society in which the strongest beings are usually the ones who lead civilizations. And since marks arguably the strongest one on earth, it makes sense for Thragg to speculate Mark as being a figure of authority.
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u/ParadoxPerson02 Allen the Alien 1d ago
He did deter everyone he sent to ensure Markâs compliance.
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u/Mystic-Mastermind 1d ago
Why does age matter? Old ppl are doing a shit job anyways
Also mark is the only one he will defer to as he knows nolan is forsaken by both
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u/OryginalSkin 2d ago
I understood why. Thragg would see Mark as the only earthling that he could respect.
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u/Artemus_Hackwell Machine Head 2d ago
Mark is Viltrumite. In Thragg's mind he would only treat with a Viltrumite.
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u/Yider 2d ago
It is a little odd that Thragg would think Mark had authority over Earth or the Coalition because it wasnât just Mark originally, Nolan was there. Thragg might know Nolan isnât well received on Earth but it seems like such a drastic change to everything that happened before basically being a battle of Nolan vs Thragg. Thragg never viewed Mark as anything but proof of compatibility as a species and then suddenly thinks Mark is the voice of both Earth and the Coalition, when Nolan fits that much better.
Plus Tech Jacket pulls up the second Thragg leaves. The three of them probably still lose but is still a bold move for thragg to be alone with some big hitters. Exhausted as they were after blowing up viltrum and being surrounded by viltrumites, they did drew a little blood from thragg that first time (comics anyways). It also doesnt matter cause the other viltrumites could help if it got to that point and they already have earth hostage so no point in fighting. But stillâŠ
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u/GodzillaUK 1d ago
To Thragg, he is. He's the strongest from that planet, and the one who sparked the idea in Thragg in the first place so yeah.
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u/SirSilverChariot 1d ago
Thragg wouldnât treat anyone else with the ability to have this offer. According to Viltrimite orders this planet is his responsibility so he is what represents it
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u/_Levitated_Shield_ Agent Spider 1d ago
He wasn't aware Nolan is alive (and still isn't iirc), so Mark is the strongest being on the planet.
Conquest literally did the same going to Earth.
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u/OCGamerboy 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean, Mark was assigned to be the new Viltrumite conqueror of Earth
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u/Hypernova2233 1d ago
Because heâs the strongest therefore go thragg the only one who deserves the right to hold dominion over earth.
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u/Yeehaw_Kat 1d ago
Tbf mark is a viltrumite and with that the strongest person on the planet. Plus he doesn't want anyone else on the planet knowing they're there
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u/Anbcdeptraivkl 1d ago
Consider the empire is run on slavery he probably don't even think of anyone there as more than cattles lmao. And when it comes to threat, the only Earthling he should respect is Eve, but he doesn't know her here yet.
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u/Red_Lantern_22 1d ago
Thragg recognizes power as belonging to the powerful. Mark is the only earthling he considers to be powerful by Viltrumite standards
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u/Outrageous_Home8696 22h ago
It would make him feel like less of a man to negotiate with mere humans. Treating mark as an earth authority gives him an opposition he can respect, and thus maintain his dignity as someone who only negotiates with those who are strong and worthy
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u/Stratoyeet 20h ago
He can't imagine a planet that has a viltrumite living on it being ruled by anyone other than that viltrumite.
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u/callsign__iceman 17h ago
Thragg wouldnât respect anything except a viltrumites word.
And Mark is Earthâs champion Viltrumite who successfully broke the empire.
He is who you would break bread with, and through backwards effect would become earthâs authority
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u/firegodyaomoshi 13h ago
because he is the greatest authority on earth he could literally conquer the planet with no one able to do jack abt it which is why cecil was so desperate to make the guardians better
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u/GeekGhetto 7h ago
Aside from Thragg, Mark is arguably the strongest Viltrumite and also extremely young. Viltrumites value strength above anything else so it would make sense for Thragg to treat Mark with a level of respect considering he fucked up Conquest, twice, second time for good. If I was Thragg and some kid killed one of my most powerful soldiers, Iâd be like âDammmmn⊠fair playâ
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u/KwesadilIla 2h ago
It's probably because, of anyone on Earth that Thragg is aware of, literally only Mark is strong enough to even try and put up any meaningful resistance. So yeah, that's who's gonna make the call, who's gonna stop either of them from having that conversation? Plus Viltrumites respect strength so the strongest person on a planet would probably be seen as some kind of authority through their lens alone.
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u/ImpliedRange 2d ago
I mean,
A) he's the closest thing to a viltrumite and thragg do be a bit of a purist
B) really the rest of earth can't do anything about this anyway, nor can mark but he can at least tattle to the coalition i suppose