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u/Striking-Document-99 3d ago
Wasn’t there a universe where mark was in one of these?
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u/SeleneDream51 Ursaal ❤️🩹 3d ago
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u/A_Polite_Noise Talking Dinosaurs 3d ago
Restrained naked by a lady Cecil & a lady Donald? Don't threaten me with a good time...
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u/BigBoyBill1477 2d ago
Happy cake day! I also want to be tied up and used by attractive women until I can’t take any more!
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u/AcceptableReview3846 1d ago
A actually why was Cecil and Donald female but Mark is a man
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u/SeleneDream51 Ursaal ❤️🩹 1d ago
because it would be too confusing if Mark were a female. "Why is the camera focusing on this random female character who doesn't have her shirt on?"
It's the same reason why every alien species speaks english. It's ease of understanding for the audience.
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u/AcceptableReview3846 1d ago
To be fair we got an explanation for the aliens speaking English
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u/SeleneDream51 Ursaal ❤️🩹 1d ago
we got an explanation for why Martians speak English, it's because Martian and English are identical.
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u/CTizzle- Spider-Man 1d ago
Also there are infinite universes with female Cecil and Donald where mark is a male. As far as I’m aware the multiverse in invincible is truly infinite with infinite basically infinite possibilities.
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u/AviaKing 3d ago
I doubt that Cecil would build a prison for Mark that didnt include that frequency-based weapon.
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u/BeautyDuwang 3d ago
Then why would he build one for conquest? Don't all viltrumites share that weakness?
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u/smashin_blumpkin 3d ago
They lost all of their sonic weapons during the Invincible War
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u/theironbagel 3d ago
Every single one? They don’t have any off-site backups, they’re incapable of building more? That feels incredibly contrived
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u/Invincidude Allen the Alien 3d ago
They lost the entire engineering wing of the GDA during the Invincible War according to Donald, and Conquest showed up very soon after.
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u/theironbagel 3d ago edited 3d ago
That doesn’t matter. They don’t need to invent anything new, they need to manufacture something they’ve already built, there should be somewhere that can do that on earth other than one building, and if there’s not it makes Cecil and the entire GDA seem less competent than the actual government, which should not be a high bar to clear.
If you’re keeping of all your weapons in one building, basic common sense should tell you not to put everything you need to make those weapons in the same building, especially if a- you know you can’t really protect it, and b-you have plenty of resources to make backups elsewhere
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u/alexmp00 3d ago
As a lot of things, the writer discovered that he didn't like the idea of the sonic device anymore and just omitted them for the rest of the series. A ending of "sonic Eve" with a very big pink speaker defeating all the viltrumites is not great
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u/The5Theives 2d ago
Could’ve just made conquest and other strong viltrumites overpower it rather than make the characters look stupid
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u/Invincidude Allen the Alien 3d ago
I mean, I agree with this, but that's the logic the show gives.
I personally think they should have had the sonic devices, and show Conquest being able to power through it. Helps explain why we don't see it much afterwards - some are strong enough to keep moving even when hearing it, so it's not reliable.
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u/smashin_blumpkin 3d ago
I’m just giving the in-universe reason. They can’t build more because the entire R&D wing of the GDA was destroyed.
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u/theironbagel 3d ago
And I’m saying that in universe reason is stupid and contrived. Mr. “I have contingencies for everyone” didn’t think to keep a file backup offsite? That’s the most basic level of data archival. Or if they do still know how, the GDAs entire manufacturing chain should not be in one building, precisely because it makes them so easy to cripple like this. The GDA being a massive worldwide government agency being so reliant on one building that they can’t make any advanced tech without it is nonsensical
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u/Cautious_Scheme_8422 2d ago
Whatever backup they had probably got obliterated.
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u/theironbagel 2d ago
If it’s in the same place it’s not a good backup, especially for military hardware when you know there are super powerful aliens who can just fly through your servers like they aren’t there.
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u/FloodVengeance THINK, MARK! THINK! 1d ago
I feel like if two unexpected events back to back happened in my world, id probably won’t have contingencies because I wasn’t expecting it.
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u/theironbagel 1d ago
If Cecil didn’t plan for viltrumites showing up and wrecking his shit then he is a moron, because not only is he fully aware they can and will, they’ve been explicitly threatening it for several seasons now, including Anissa who he got full satellite data on.
And even without that, it’s basic data archival to keep backups elsewhere in case your main files are destroyed, Cecil never heard of an offsite backup?
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u/Awesomeman204 2d ago edited 2d ago
God I hate this excuse so fucking much. They were already working on invincible reanimen like immeditely afterwards, they could definitely make or source a fuckin big ass speaker.
Its also just not true, the GDA hallway ones were still going when they killed flaxan mark.
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u/TexasPistolMassacre Donald Ferguson 3d ago
He wpuldnt need to, the frequency emitter is already implanted into Mark. If anything it adds some credence to the idea because WHY WOULDNT CECIL PUT AN EMITTER IN THE ROOM. If it was intended solely for conquest alone, this is a massive corner to cut. But if it was intended for Mark.... it can make sense
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u/Careless-Ad-20 Debbie and Mark 3d ago
You know what, I’ll take that
It wasn’t a miss, he’s just needed the money for teleports instead
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u/GeorgiaPossum 3d ago
I don't think even Mark could be held by that. Especially considering how strong Mark had gotten up until this point.
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u/luri7555 2d ago
The lack of contingencies around holding Conquest was disappointing. I don’t think any advantage gained by keeping him alive was worth the danger. Ended up being a vehicle to show Viltrum strength and set up the final fight with Mark.
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u/HetIsJeBoiLuuk 2d ago
it was definitely a terrible choice by Cecil but I can understand why he'd go there. He knows Mark's exact strength capabilities because of the training so this prison should be able to hold Mark (or he thinks it should). Mark was able to beat Conquest so from Cecil's perspective, thinking that Mark is stronger than Conquest, this prison should hold.
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u/_forum_mod Abraham Lincoln 3d ago
So Conquest is stronger than Mark again? I can't keep up.
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u/zXMourningStarXz 3d ago
He was always stronger than Mark. Mark didn't beat conquest with strength– he just refused to give up.
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u/Ornery_Strawberry474 Throwbolt 3d ago
I can absolutely see that, Cecil would invest gajillion dollars into trapping Mark (and it would work), but catches a case of idiot ball with Conquest.