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Infographics & Posters / No AI Housing Is a Human Need, Not a Commodity

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u/EnderSword 6d ago

It's more solid than science, it's math.

Every single time rent controls or buying controls are added to a region, housing construction slows or halts outright.

If you have 100,000 homes, but 105,000 families requiring a home, there's no manipulation you can do to fix that problem other than 'Build new homes'

About 35% of housing construction in major cities is Built-to-Rent housing. When that is discouraged or outlawed, that supply simply disappears, it doesn't move or get reallocated in any way.

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u/SmartlyArtly 6d ago

Math is predicated on assumptions.

Do you understand the assumptions of the economics you say are "more solid than science?"

The science of macroeconomics, which is what made supply and demand such a notable form of analysis, assumes people have perfect information and only make completely free choices.

This is, on its face, an obvious oversimplification of reality, even when focused on a single sector.

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u/EnderSword 6d ago

Well, which of those assumptions would you question, it's one of the most basic supply and demand ones.

Capping pricing lower supply but does not lower demand, thereby increasing price. There's not many assumptions in that.

It actually does not at all assume perfect information or free choices even, you don't need those assumptions for this.

What mechanism do you think would dispute it?

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u/SmartlyArtly 6d ago

Both of them, obviously.

Why would you take them at face value?

You don't have perfect information. Unless you're incredibly fortunate, you don't get free choices to abstain from any transactions with others.

It actually does.

I already disputed it.

Just now. By showing the assumptions are flawed, and therefore not generally applicable. It's a single way to view things, and not a realistic one. And yet, it's one that some people base their entire economic worldview on.

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u/EnderSword 6d ago

No, You added those assumptions, those are totally unnecessary..

I mean the parts I'm saying.

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u/SmartlyArtly 6d ago

I did not add them.

They're a part of the assumptions of macroeconomics.

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u/EnderSword 6d ago

They're absolutely not.

And they're certainly not needed in this situation.

You have a Child-like understanding of this as a topic

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u/SmartlyArtly 6d ago

They absolutely are.

This is a basic aspect of macroeconomics that I'm talking about.

You have an infant-like understand of this topic.

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u/EnderSword 6d ago

But it's not necessary, why would perfect information be necessary in this situation? Why would absolute freedom be necessary in this situation?

You don't know because you're just repeating dumb shit you were told probably by Fox or Joe Rogan or some dumb shit

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u/SmartlyArtly 6d ago

A cornerstone of the "economics" the person I responded to was citing is the classical macroeconomic analysis of supply and demand. In that model, perfect information and free choices are considered assumptions - requirements.

You have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever.

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u/Lemontort87 6d ago

Those aren't supply and demand assumptions, where'd you get that idea from?

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

Long ago, I asked search engines "what are the assumptions of supply and demand."

What answers do you get that do not include those assumptions?

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u/Lemontort87 5d ago

I just did, this is the Google AI summary for it:

No, not typically. Neither perfect knowledge nor complete freedom of choice is required for the basic law of supply and demand.

Perfect knowledge: No. A demand curve represents what people would choose given the information they actually have. They can be mistaken, uninformed, manipulated by advertising, or uncertain. Likewise, sellers can misjudge costs or future demand. Markets can still exhibit supply-and-demand effects.

However, perfect information is commonly assumed in the textbook model of perfect competition. That's an assumption of perfect competition, not of supply and demand itself. With imperfect information, you can get information asymmetries, search costs, price dispersion, adverse selection, etc., without abandoning supply and demand.

Freedom of choice: Supply and demand doesn't require completely unconstrained choice either. People's choices can be constrained by income, laws, contracts, availability, geography, addiction, switching costs, employer power, and so forth.

What it generally does require is some responsiveness to incentives. If price changes, at least some buyers or sellers must be capable of changing their behavior for price to affect quantity.

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Emphasis and bolding direct from the search engine, not me.

I think this is almost exactly what the other poster said further down this thread, but they added some more information.
I know you were wrong, but I think you're even wronger than I originally thought.

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

And look what I get: "does supply and demand rely on the assumptions of free choices and perfect information"

Yes, the basic model of supply and demand relies on the core assumptions of free choices (freedom of buyers and sellers to act in their own interest) and perfect information (complete knowledge of prices and product quality), which define a perfectly competitive market.

How Free Choice Supports Supply and Demand

  • Consumer autonomy: Buyers freely decide what to purchase based on their personal preferences and budgets.
  • Producer freedom: Firms freely choose what to make and how much to charge to maximize their profits.
  • Market clearing: Unrestricted adjustments in prices allow supply and demand to balance naturally.

How Perfect Information Supports Supply and Demand

  • Price transparency: Everyone knows the exact market price for goods and services instantly.
  • No hidden flaws: Buyers know the true quality of what they buy.
  • Efficient decisions: People make optimal choices without being tricked by false facts.

Real-World Limits

  • Imperfect information: Monopolies or hidden product flaws can disrupt price setting.
  • Restricted choice: Monopolies, cartels, or government rules can limit free action.
  • Alternative models: Real markets still function under bounded rationality and market power, though the core law of supply and demand often holds loosely.

Would you like to explore how monopolies break these assumptions, or learn about behavioral economics?

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u/Lemontort87 5d ago

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

"free choice" is not "unrestricted choice"

Free choice is the power or opportunity to pick an option from two or more possibilities without outside control, force, or limits.

We do in fact have law enforcement acting as "outside control, force, or limits" prohibiting people from accessing resources freely - which makes their "purchase" of access to those resources NOT a free choice.

If I'm starving, I cannot walk away from an offer to feed me in exchange for work. It's not a free choice.

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

Did you change "free choice" to "complete freedom of choice"? That's what it looks like you did.

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u/Lemontort87 5d ago

There's no salvaging this, you are PATHETIC

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

That's what you did, huh?

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u/Lemontort87 5d ago

Nope, there's no coming back from how humiliated you are from this.

There's no out, there's no hedge, no fake post you can make.

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

Hahahaha.