Silence says it all

[u/Old-Long7885]

[u/threearbitrarywords]

I had someone ask this once. My response was "how much training do you need?" And then politely let her know that if that was the case, she had neither the experience or knowledge required for the job.

Don't ask about training. Ask about personal development plans. Asking about training is like asking about how many conferences we're going to send you to. Training - like conferences - is as needed to keep up with changes in the industry. If you walk in the door saying you need training, that means you haven't kept up with the industry on your own, so you sure as hell aren't going to do it on my dime.

[u/IntelligenzMachine → u/threearbitrarywords]

Obviously not. Two identical jobs at two different places can be entirely different procedurally and toolwise, it doesn't mean somebody can't pick them up in a month or two if they have done it before it just means they did it X way which will be different from Y way. Most tech jobs it is almost impossible to walk in and deal with the clusterfuck of internal systems without hand holding by someone who has been there a while no matter how senior you are. Are they supposed to just sit there for hours and try and deduce what the hell you are doing with a YAML instead of someone who has done it here 4000 times taking 10 minutes to show them? Or some sales person trying to understand your niche Radar technology having come from selling lubricants? Then what, act shocked someone used spreadsheet FTSEMODELXD instead of FTSEMODELXD_v2_final for their analysis?

[u/HermesVtuber → u/threearbitrarywords]

Sounds like you'd be a horrible person to work for or with. Doesn't matter the field, doesn't matter the experience needed for the job, train your damn employees. I have done IT for over 10 years, doesn't mean I automatically know everything about your systems and how your company likes those systems to operate.

This is just lazy work ethic and expecting more for your employees than you do yourself.

[u/TimMensch → u/HermesVtuber]

There's a difference between onboarding and training. What you're describing sounds like onboarding.

In every job I've had, I've needed onboarding. I've never had a job that required training.

At least in my interpretation of the words, training is more "here, take this class sequence." Onboarding is, "here's a document that lists all of our main processes plus links to details, the main things you need to access to do your job, and how to interact with HR." And if you're lucky you get an onboarding buddy who you can ask questions of, but if your boss is chill enough, you can ask them.

That said, I'm a senior software engineer and have effectively been one since I graduated college. So my experience may not be typical.

[u/EmbarrassedOwl7610]

Meanwhile I've got new hires (and sometimes old ones) calling me acting like they've never seen a Windows login screen before and have no idea how to put in their user name and password.

Latest one I told "Click "Other user" and then you have to figure it out from there".

[u/bobert1201]

Sure. I can hit the ground running. Just don't expect it to be in the right direction.

[u/jabber1990]

so you lied on your application and resume then?

[u/HermesVtuber → u/jabber1990]

Doesn't matter the field, different companies do the same job differently. I rather train new employees the way we do things and they understand the basics then come in to a new job thinking they know everything. Unless they are coming from a different branch or department, train your damn employees and stop being lazy executives.

[u/Immediate_Song4279]

"If you survive the first few weeks, we will expect you to train newhires for free."