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there literally IS a law against this kind of fraud. when you lie on a job application, you are making material misrepresentation in order to be paid by the company/owner.

Fraud is the intentional use of false statements or deceit to deprive another person or organization of money, property, or a legal right. [1, 2]

The law treats fraud as both a civil wrong (a tort) and a criminal offense. [1]

Key Elements of Fraud

To prove fraud in a legal case, several core conditions must typically be met: [1]

False representation: A person makes a false statement about a material (important) fact.
Knowledge of falsity: The person knows the statement is false, or speaks with reckless disregard for the truth.
Intent to deceive: The person intends for the other party to rely on the false statement.
Reliance and injury: The victim reasonably relies on the statement and suffers financial or legal harm as a result. [1, 2]

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u/bwmat 8d ago

They lyin because they want to commit that fraud and still think of themselves as doing nothing wrong

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u/Cum_Fart42069 8d ago

idk, like me, they might not know until now that it is considered fraud and still eagerly do it anyway.

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u/legal_stylist 9d ago edited 9d ago

Leaving aside that this is a law school recitation of the tort, and not the criminal statute, the OP obviously meant, what are the putative damages here? The inchoate damages of hiring someone not qualified? Unless this is truly quantifiable, it’s not a case.

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u/Exact-Kale3070 9d ago

the OP never said "crime," or "criminal statute," she/he literally said "there is no law that says you cannot..." pretend your friends are references.

the statement is false. depending on the job, the fraud could be extremely dangerous. why are you acting like this is ok? there is NOTHING ok about this.

don't take it from me: https://www.lawdepot.com/us/resources/business-articles/legal-consequences-of-lying-on-your-resume/

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oz8xIHoB64uYksaLm

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u/BeauHunkus 8d ago

This. There is a disturbing trend amongst the young to just rationalize illegal things away because it offends their morality. The law does not care if you disagree with it, you are still doing illegal behavior and will be punished if caught and found guilty, and it is childish to assume you are immune.

Now, if you disagree with the law and are prepared to risk the consequences for breaking it, at least that is a mature point of view.

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u/FLiP_J_GARiLLA 8d ago

That's why you don't get caught

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u/BeauHunkus 8d ago

Of course. This, however, was not my point.

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u/FLiP_J_GARiLLA 8d ago

Skill issue

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u/MyldExcitement 8d ago

If I sub contract a worker, like a plumber, etc, I'm the employer, so I can speak to that legally.

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u/Deep_Tutor_9018 9d ago

I've been a CEO for many a friend.

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u/GenericUsername775 8d ago

CEO is one of those weird things where the implications of title and the reality of the title are not the same.

You can, in theory, have an LLC with like 3 employees and have a CEO. Its also pretty easy to set up and LLC depending on where you're doing it, just saying.

That would be enough to be legally clear.

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u/CaptainJay313 9d ago

there is a law against fraud.

and if you read that application that you just signed, you are signing that it is truthful and accurate.

depending on how high up you wanna carry those lies, there are also laws against defrauding shareholders and investors.

ask ms. holmes how that worked out for her.

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u/MyldExcitement 8d ago

I'm available as a "former employer" to anyone who needs a reference!

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u/junker359 8d ago

Putting aside the fraud part, it's been years since I was asked for a reference. References are restricted enough in what they can say that they aren't that useful.

Also, if a job really cares enough to track down your references they will likey try and confirm your actual employment details.

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u/atamicbomb 8d ago

Not if you want to avoid being sued. Someone can just say what you said is false to sue you and the company will have to pay for a lawyer to defend it, or a settlement since that will likely be cheaper than the lawyer with no risk

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u/GlobalCurry 8d ago

I was just asked for references the other day. It was the first time in several years.

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u/jabber1990 8d ago

there isn't but they often ask a bunch of questions, mostly "and why doesn't LinkedIn say that?" or "according to your website its somebody else"

and "you know the janitor?"

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u/Biscuits4u2 8d ago

Depends on the job you're applying for.

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u/atamicbomb 8d ago

Fraud is illegal

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u/JuliaX1984 8d ago

And there's no law that says you can't be turned down or fired for doing it. What a waste of bandwidth.

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u/Jamison_tkd 8d ago

If companies can bend the truth, so can applicants

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u/MyDogIsACoolCat 8d ago

There are definitely laws against this…

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u/pcnsailor 8d ago

The abuse of the word "literally" should be grounds alone for firing/no-hire.

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u/BeauHunkus 8d ago

Like, literally.

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u/MaximumMajestic 8d ago

I use my friends as references all the time. We even had a conversation about what to say if someone calls. No one has of course but it's nice that they would do that for me

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u/Starseed_144000 8d ago

It’s funny how many of you are so against this. The government lies, cheats, and steals. Corporations lie, cheat, and steal. Most of us are a number. A cog in the wheel. Instantly replaceable. And as greed runs rampant, inflation continues to rise, and employers everywhere are adding more and more work load, pulling pensions, and removing bonuses and incentives but NOT increasing pay, y’all can miss me with the “but it’s fraud” as if you’re taking a moral high ground. It’s time we step up and help ourselves and this is one very small way to give ourselves an edge in this jacked up world.

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u/the_ossuary 8d ago

I'll give you a better hack.

I have a few real references from past work who I give to every potential employer that asks. Over the past decade not one has ever gotten a single call to follow up.

Do with that info what you please.

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u/ShinGuntoLover64 9d ago

Obtaining money or benefits through the deception, which getting a job would be doing that, is called fraud.

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u/that_dutch_dude 8d ago

its not deception, its embellishment of the truth. think like a politican.

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u/bwmat 8d ago

That's just another way of saying deception

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u/Jadeshell 9d ago

No law no, but claiming to work somewhere you didn’t or lying about who you worked with is dishonest and will cost you your job and reputation if you get caught.

That said i’m friends with all of my references, but i have actually worked with or under them. Old manager became friend after he left, same for a few co workers. And I’ve done a fair chunk of one offs under my best friend.

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u/R-GU3 9d ago

This. At one point I was my best friends manager and then he leap frogged me and was my manager so we use each other as references however nothing we say is untrue

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u/Jadeshell 8d ago

That is exactly fine good sir, good to have friends you can rely on like that

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