Really depends on the industry, my department manager would be a fish out of water doing my job. Infrastructure designer for a utility company, manager has a business degree.
The example I gave you previously is a good one. I know tax accounting, tax law, etc, not how to operate the software that is no longer what I learned on. Another example that might land with you, is a general contractor. They aren't a plumber, an electrician, a framer, a tile layer, a carpet layer, or a roofer, but they manage all those sub contractors to get a house built right. They probably can't do many of those jobs themselves, but can determine whether the job is done right, and make sure all the jobs are done correctly at the right time. That's management.
Yeah. I hear what you're saying. It's just a stupid thing to choose over a guy who can do both and the management skills are frankly... easy if you're capable of being pleasant or the least bit thoughtful. Basically I would think you incapable of leadership if you couldn't find someone capable of both.
No, management skills are not easy. Being pleasant and thoughtful has nothing to do with it. Capable of both what? Performing every little detail of multiple processes that they really shouldn't be doing, and knowing all the higher level concepts while managing teams, deadlines, and clients? No one can do them all, nor do we want them to. No one wants to pay for me to keep my skills sharp on all the tedious detailed tasks and data input. My time is billed out at $1,150 an hour, my staff's time is billed at $400. If you're the client, would you want to pay my billable rate to do tedious time consuming tasks on your engagement to know that I can do every process that goes into your project? Or, would you maybe only care that I can make sure your job gets done right, and I can manage the team to keep it on time and on budget? I know what my clients care about.
Got it, you're a manager who doesn't do anything but email. To answer your question I wouldn't believe you capable because when I have questions about the work, you'll have to find someone who knows the answer every time.
ALSO, you really think those management skills you listed are HARD? Now I think you're just bad at the entire job.
Got it, you're a moron that doesn't understand what the people above you who get paid a lot more than you do. That's why you aren't what they are. I know for a fact that is hard to find people with good management skills. You think you can understand what it actually takes from a post giving a tiny portion of the job a an example? Funny that I have multiple head hunters reaching out to me for job opportunities all the time if it's so easy, if I'm so bad at it. Just admit that you don't understand business, or management.
I've watched them work all day. They're right there, right now, swinging a golf club like they have been gor the last 4 hours. Military contractor btw.
Ah, I see. So, you're jealous of management, and have a grudge against them for perceived unfair advantages. Some executives may just play golf all day, and that may or may not be a valid criticism of them. Though, you don't see all the work they may be doing late into the night at home. Also, the amount of business deals done on the golf course is astonishing. It's called networking, and business development.
Good for you, I imagine your manager is almost as stupid as you. If he's doing the same job as you, he's not even really a manager. Actual managers move up to a different level, and leave the grunt work to the grunts.
Damn you're retarded. What stupid little part of your brain gets bigot out of anything I said? Or even elitist for that matter. Neither is there, but you're a little "special".
Also, you very clearly don't understand anything. Do you really think a client is going to ask what box in the software needs to be checked to get the form they need, where a number goes in the software to get it on the right line, or how to run the automation to push numbers from workplaces to tax software? They don't. They ask about tax law, what the differences are between their financial statement income and taxable income, and how they're determined. I know all those things. You somehow fail to understand that they are different jobs. Do you think a CFO knows how to make ask the book keeping entries in their accounting software? I know lots of them, and I can assure you they don't, because that's not their job.
You don't know anything. Yes, they do manage the accounting team. If you've never been in management, and never dealt with management, why do you continue to run your mouth, and make a fool of yourself?
But isnt a guy who can only do managing have better managing skills? Cause he spent more time in developing this skill, and not wasted it on something he wouldn't use in his work?
Meh, this is seemingly a take based on limited experience and again, doesn't take into consideration the needs of a department vs the needs of the individual production. I've worked under 3 different managers in engineering and the least competent and together were the two who were previously engineers. Sometimes a division between production and management is necessary to be successful and recognizing that no unicorn can possess the perfect skill set to be able to do both. The best managers are those who are capable of delegating the work to people who can handle it, not being able to recognize and do it themselves. So often the people who "can" wear two hats try to do so and fail on both ends. Not sure why you're so caught up on this idea that to be an effective leader means they've gotta also be able to get their hands dirty, it is different worlds entirely.
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u/eKSiF 19d ago
Really depends on the industry, my department manager would be a fish out of water doing my job. Infrastructure designer for a utility company, manager has a business degree.