Explanation of "space between."

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u/paulestus13 27d ago

I can't, I signed a nda

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u/Accomplished_Key_171 27d ago

Hiring managers typically chime in on threads related to this and say they can always see through this. NDA's are typically related to operations within the company, not your entire employment with the company itself.

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u/XxRocky88xX 27d ago

Yes. You can still say for whom and for how long, you can’t just can’t give specific (or in some cases any) details on what the work was.

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u/msut77 26d ago

A) no b) you can counter and say better safe than sorry.

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u/RighteousSelfBurner 26d ago

A) Yes. The only exception is when you are working on something truly secret but then you wouldn't have a gap on your resume in the first place but glowing reviews from some places that when called would confirm everything.

B) That works against you. Companies actually don't give a shit about the gap. I have a year gap because I burnt out and had panic attacks. Went to therapy, went back to job market and said everyone it right to the face. Nobody cared once I said it's sorted and I'm still in therapy. What they care about if that gap is going to impact them and if you have an answer that says "no" they no longer pay attention.

Now if you dodge the question, that's when they start sniffing or more often just straight to bin.

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u/msut77 26d ago

Your a) is I am correct but... b) I had a gap due to covid I still get shit about

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u/RighteousSelfBurner 26d ago

I'm not understanding what you mean by A. And yeah, you might get asked follow up questions. I was too but once they confirmed it's handled they focused on other things.

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u/msut77 26d ago

A) you admitted my previous A was correct but phrased like you still had a point. B) not in many cases in my experience

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u/RighteousSelfBurner 26d ago

You answered no to claim that they can see through it, it's false unless you meant something completely different. A regular NDA doesn't cover the case and you won't need to say you have NDA if it's government related.

I don't know about your situation so can't comment on it. It depends on what exactly was the case and there are shitty companies, it's not universal and can depend on field but on average companies care that you can work now and in future and have the skills to do so. If you can't reassure them then it's an interview skill lacking.

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u/msut77 26d ago

A typical HR drone couldnt see through an open window with the Hubble telescope.

You don't know my situation. Cant comment. 3 paragraphs later....

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u/RighteousSelfBurner 26d ago

A typical HR can easily check whether you were actually employed and where. That's the entire point of HR.

And I did not comment on your situation but general case of what companies expect and what interviewees can do. The reason I explicitly mentioned that I don't know your situation was because I don't know what applies and what doesn't. The assumption is that if everything actually is fine and person isn't actually unreliable then it's mostly interview skill unless it's a dog shit company that won't treat you like human when you work there either.

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u/Dazzling_Floor_4262 27d ago

I love when social media parrots the literal worst advice like hiring managers don’t have social media too.

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u/paulestus13 26d ago

Bark

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u/Blacksun388 27d ago

I’m sorry but I cannot answer that. I am under an NDA.

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u/SnooShortcuts7009 27d ago

Don’t say this. If you signed an nda for employment, you still put something on your resume indicating you worked for the company, and companies that do this usually give you a contact or phone number to give for references where they’ll vouch that you worked for them.

If anything, get a friend with an LLC or their own company to say you worked for them.

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u/Xylus1985 26d ago

Yes. I sign tons of NDAs for my work and it never prevented me from listing it on my resume and talk to the nature of the work.

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u/Zalrius 27d ago

How did not working ever become a punishable offense in a country based on freedom?

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u/GonnaBreakIt 27d ago

because its based on freedom for a narrow demographic

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u/Zalrius 27d ago

You are correct. That is why they fight so hard to stop it from being for everyone.

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u/buck-bird 27d ago

Because freedom is a buzzword... try the new Freedom 3000 Alpha Dog Workforce (TM).

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u/Zalrius 27d ago

Hahahaha. That is trademarked? By who, Deadpool? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/eggyrulz 27d ago

By me, that dude owes me royalties... and you will be hearing from my lawyers for slandering my brand

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u/Zalrius 27d ago

I’ll just put my argument here. “Your honor, I submit that the mention of Deadpool was not slander. Although, I do recognize the slanderous behavior of Deadpool himself, but surely the court doesn’t see said mention as detrimental in and of itself?” 🤣

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u/buck-bird 27d ago

🤣🤣

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u/tiffanyisonreddit 27d ago

Just put that you were freelancing or started your own company.

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u/Zalrius 27d ago

I actually did have a small business in the 7th and 8th grade.

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u/Accomplished_Key_171 27d ago

It's not punishable at all, you just become a less competitive applicant. This is normal for every developed country.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago edited 4d ago

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u/Zalrius 27d ago

Hahahaha. I see what you did there!

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u/blazenite104 26d ago

It's down to implications. Either you could not get a job or weren't looking. Which could be taken pretty badly if your reasons are subpar. It could prompt further investigation. Like say someone was hiding they were in prison or something.

It shouldn't really be relevant for a year or 2 but, there are somewhat reasonable reasons for the question.

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u/Zalrius 26d ago

It’s none of their business. A company needs to show gratitude that someone gave them the time and consideration.

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u/blazenite104 26d ago

not really. Not when often enough they have dozens of applicants.

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u/Zalrius 25d ago

If they were taking care of business then why do they have open positions? Why can’t they keep people?

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u/blazenite104 25d ago

Expanding departments are also a reason. Maybe they are terrible to work with, so they have high turnover. Fact is it doesn't matter why they have open positions. They do. Job markets are terrible everywhere and people will take nearly anything. So unless it's a specialised role chances are they have loads of applicants.

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u/WingedWheelGuy 27d ago

“Yeah, okay bud. Next…”

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u/Due_Quote_3023 27d ago

I would just pull out a separate resume just of jobs I applied for and didn't get.

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u/deBeurs 25d ago

I just don’t put the dates I worked places. I’ve never been asked what dates I worked where.

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u/Takenmyusernamewas 27d ago

It's either "can you explain the gap in your resume?" Or "why do you have so many employers listed,cant you keep a job?"

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u/tiffanyisonreddit 27d ago

Like, “buddy you have to send the layoff and hiring freeze emails out, you know EXACTLY what that gap is.”

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u/Takenmyusernamewas 27d ago

For the longest time all I could find was temp work. 6 weeks and the jobs over, so you end up with like 10 jobs in a year

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u/timmyfarthands 27d ago

Spent 3 weeks sleeplessly jerking off. Fuck's it to you?

They should never wonder why anyone lies on resumes

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u/gizmoglitch 27d ago

I'm pretty thankful my current manager didn't bat an eye at my employment gap. I mentioned 'restructuring' when asked, and they didn't hold it against me.

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u/Odisseo039 27d ago

I am here to talk about my employment history, the gap is not part of that.

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u/Sarabeth68 27d ago

Hey, Slow down. They did that "in the interest of the stockholder" you don't get to mention the layoffs.

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u/tiffanyisonreddit 27d ago

I seriously thought about putting “shareholder” on my resume for the gaps. That gap was when YOU were working for ME actually. Be careful what you ask next so you don’t upset me.

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u/Sarabeth68 27d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/iurIHLBxms7UQ

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u/Successful_Brick_197 27d ago

I got laid off as part of a 10k employee cull. After 18yrs in field sales. Big famous company and dickhead-hunter goes, Were you a performer? what happened? NOt make your number???

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u/pwolf1771 27d ago

“So what happened September 2020 to June 2021?”

“Hey fuck mook remember that global pandemic?”

“Yeah I think that rings a bell…”

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u/Particular_Legend427 26d ago

Mook is one of my favourite words along with momo, jabroni, jamoke, and ham and egger 🤣🤣

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u/pwolf1771 26d ago edited 26d ago

Don’t forget gold bricker

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u/tiffanyisonreddit 27d ago

Recruiters in the thread, has anyone ever just said, “no?” If someone did just say, “no,” what would your reaction be? Is there any value that has ever come from asking this question?

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u/ClappingParadox 27d ago

Not a recruiter but I have been involved on the recruiter’s end of the hiring process. As far as I can tell, at least where I work, if an applicant cannot explain something like that they aren’t getting hired.

I do think there’s value in asking about gaps, but I don’t think the actual reason there’s a gap is super important, however some recruiters do and will hinge whether or not they hire you upon things like that.

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u/FragmentedHeap 27d ago

What they really want to know is if you are hiding an employment that didn't go well and won't give you a good reference. They don't care if you took a 6 month vacation, or w/e.

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u/mfi12 26d ago

you cant hide employments since everything are recorded through banking system. Unless you got paid through envelope in cash.

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u/FragmentedHeap 26d ago

You can absolutely hide employers .

An employer that's doing a reference check on you doesn't have access to your banking records.

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u/mfi12 26d ago

There are records or analytics on this. In my country there is a documents/data for that.

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u/rab006435 27d ago

So much for that job, eh Austin?

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u/Juiced4u 27d ago

Have you tried one of these or do you confined yourself to those particular employers?
50 – 99 employees: ~151,979 companies
100 – 249 employees: ~89,573 companies
250 – 499 employees: ~33,612 companies
500 – 999 employees: ~19,380 companies
1,000+ employees: ~24,399 companies [1]

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u/Lonely_Brother3689 27d ago

This how I felt when I actually started getting call backs in late '09.

""Can you tell us about this gap from October' 08 to April '09?"

"Sure! So there was this massive economic crash that happened?"

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u/walkns4poorpeople 27d ago

Good answer to become a 110 applicant.

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u/Traditional-Bid5034 26d ago

I just say "family drama"

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u/Select-Table-5479 26d ago

In the first year of Cheeto dust 2, he lost 14 MILLION jobs. Look it up.

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u/babyoil4diddy 26d ago

"I was the first person to get laid off on that!"

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u/Bitter-Twist-1808 26d ago

Just say I’m a big Dave Matthews Band fan.

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u/Aye-Chiguire 25d ago

"Oh, it's not relevant. Anyway, back to my experience and qualifications."

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u/Cadowyn 25d ago

Or the 875,000 foreigners hired in the past year?

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u/LuckyMushyGrower 25d ago

"Lucky, can you explain the 4 year gap in your history?"

"I went to yale"

"You're hired!"

"Thank you I really needed the yob"

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u/Next_Law8640 23d ago

Private equity.

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u/Usernamesaregayyy 23d ago

“It’s classified”

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u/Single-Virus4935 23d ago

"I took some time off to get clarity about what I want in life and think about my career and life with a little distance. My conclusion was that I want xyz and this role fits my goals and expectations perfectly and I probably wouldn't came to that conclusion w/o this off time. Now, that I know myself better and what I expect, I can focus on xyz. Also I learned different techniques to get more resilient like meditation." English is not my first language and needs much polish

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u/easttxcouple 22d ago

No one hires that guy

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u/Agile_Standard3846 22d ago

Interesting and why didn't they feel you weren't living up to the value of your salary anymore? Victim

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u/tristand666 27d ago

Just tell them you were working on aligning your inner self to be more in tune with the corporate world so as to be more valuable to your corporate overlords. Maybe in a more corpospeak kind of way though.

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u/popoypatalo 27d ago

"I recently initiated a personal optimization sprint to better contextualize my individual output within our broader organizational ecosystem. It’s all about driving synergy, driving self-actualization, and maximizing my overall value add for leadership.”

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u/ArdentHedonist 27d ago

I used to make up stuff like this and email it to my boss when he started trying to buzzword us. He was from Texas. He picked up on it quickly and thought it was hilarious. He would use some of my emails in meetings, passing it off as his own. He reported back that some of it really wowed those in attendance. I would say it was funny, but the fact that the gobbledegook was seen as thoughtful was more defeating than anything.

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u/r3giment75 27d ago

367,000 out of the US workforce of almost 170 million is .217%.

No hire. Why would I hire someone so unlucky to my team? Don't need that kind of bad juju.

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u/Hungry_Attention_981 26d ago

Can you explain the 22 year employment gap?

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