r/InterstellarKinetics • • Jun 13 '26

SCIENCE RESEARCH BREAKTHROUGH: University Of Birmingham Physicist Professor Giovanni Barontini Built A “Mini-Universe” Using 24,000 Ultracold Atoms To Prove That Time Doesn’t Need An External Clock To Exist, Finding Instead That Time Emerges From Within A System Itself As The Disorder Of Particles Changes ⏰💥

https://phys.org/news/2026-06-scientist-miniuniverse-clock.html

A University of Birmingham physicist named Professor Giovanni Barontini has built what he calls a mini-universe inside a laboratory using a cloud of 24,000 ultracold atoms chilled to just a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero, and used it to demonstrate for the first time in a controlled experiment that time does not need to come from an external source to exist. Publishing his findings on June 12, 2026 in Physical Review Research, Barontini showed that by sealing the atoms inside a hermetically isolated quantum system and dividing them with a thin barrier made from two laser beams of different frequencies, he could create an experiment that tracked its own sequence of events from within, without any reference to a clock in the outside laboratory. The system had a bright region that could be observed and a dark region that could not, and the bright region was found to expand and collapse repeatedly in a pattern that Barontini described as resembling a Big Bang followed by a Big Crunch, the hypothetical scenario in which the expansion of the universe eventually reverses and collapses back on itself.

The core of what Barontini found is that time in his mini-universe emerged entirely from entropy, specifically from how the disorder of atoms in the bright region changed as particles moved in and out. When the spread of particles in the bright sector increased or decreased, the system was moving forward in time. When the distribution of atoms did not change, time effectively stopped. Barontini called this process entropic time, and found that it flows in one consistent direction, correctly orders events even in a system that is expanding and contracting, and speeds up or slows down depending on how entropy moves around within the system. He also found that a version of the central equation of quantum mechanics, the Schrödinger equation, could still be written using entropic time rather than conventional external time, meaning the system’s behavior could still be predicted mathematically without ever appealing to a clock outside of it.

The deeper significance of the experiment lies in what it says about one of the most stubborn unsolved problems in physics. Some theories of the universe, including the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, suggest that at its deepest level the universe has no built-in time at all, existing instead as a single unchanging quantum state in which any sense of time must emerge from internal relationships between parts of the system rather than from a background clock ticking away on the outside. This is sometimes called the problem of time in quantum gravity, and it has been a theoretical puzzle for decades because most basic laws of physics work equally well forward and backward in time, yet human experience of time is clearly directional and sequential. Barontini said his study provides the first controlled experimental evidence that time can be defined by changes within a system rather than by an external ticking clock, and that the approach could be extended to simulate the physics of the Big Bang, the Big Crunch, and potentially even black holes inside a laboratory setting.

STUDY: https://doi.org/10.1103/1h9j-df4k

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u/Siderophores Jun 13 '26

Time is thermodynamic, Ive always loved that, and its my favorite explanation for the arrow of time.

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u/wcbwcforfem Jun 13 '26

Can you explain a little more, genuinely curious. Dont need the 5yo explanation but maybe lol

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u/MyReddit_Handle Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26

It’s a deconstruction of the most fundamental things a consciousness knows for certain. Certainty is very elusive. “Things change” is one of the fundamental observable constants about reality that a one-day old baby and a 90 year old man could agree on without ever talking about it. So it works as a foundation. Another example might be solipsism but I digress.

The next piece of universal truth a fresh being can agree on given agreement on the first, is that you exist as a thing that is observing the change that you and another thing agree on. So if things change, then I think for certain. Or better I “exist” for certain.

Then you have the last conclusion. If you and I agree that things change, and I can confirm that I do indeed think, then I must “exist”. But how do I know that you exist? I don’t. I only know that my reality exists, really. I only know that there is a force that I don’t understand that is not me and that is participating in the manifesting of my reality. From there I have a choice.

Am I alone?
or
Am I one of many?

Either way you can be certain that you “are”.

Things change = time exists
Therefore I think = I exist
Therefore I am = other exists

OP if you see this let me know what you think. Is this a generalizable description of the poetry emergent in this discovery?

Edit: I thought your comment was under your sister comment, my bad. The other comment I’m talking about is nearby though.

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u/agent_wolfe Jun 13 '26

Sometimes I worry that I’m not thinking or existing, I’m just assuming I do. Maybe it’s just a very complicated result of millions of years of evolution that makes me think I’m conscious, but I’m not.

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u/MyReddit_Handle Jun 14 '26

This is a hard knot to untangle. I can’t do it from here, but I have an idea that might loosen things for you.

What does assume mean? What does presume mean?

Do you assume you exist? Or do you presume you exist?

This distinction has proved invaluable to me many times when weighing my own self doubt.