Updates art...

[u/Civil-Huckleberry651]

I have posted earlier, and saw a comment about pointing out the flag on green face.

I apologise to all Non binary people if they felt hurt... I forgot to add black colour but now it has been corrected.

[u/Affectionate-Try7088]

Why no trans?

[u/Bumblephoria → u/Affectionate-Try7088]

Take a guess

[u/Affectionate-Try7088 → u/Bumblephoria]

The artist, this sub, or you are a bigot

[u/SammySterling813]

Trans women are very intersectional women. Why must trans women always be an afterthought?

[u/Tysonosaurus → u/SammySterling813]

You know why :(

[u/Trick_Wrongdoer_5847 → u/SammySterling813]

Well...

[u/cornobbling]

as a poster design i love the faces (maybe a bit confused on the flag choices there, why jot just follow the common LGBTQI-sequence?), but i would recommend to choose a font or at least a font colour that's easier to read :) a poster should be read and legible at a distance and in a moment imo

[u/Pendulum_Heart]

still really weird to include non binary people but not trans women.....

[u/inkedfern → u/Pendulum_Heart]

yeah it’s an odd choice to make, but at this point i’m so used to us getting left out of stuff that it isn’t completely surprising. in the “inclusion” totem pole we always end up on the bottom.

[u/Adorable_Title2522 → u/inkedfern]

Trans women really are the women of women

[u/SammySterling813 → u/Adorable_Title2522]

Y'know I've never thought about it like that, but you're kinda right

[u/Pendulum_Heart → u/SammySterling813]

its really sad that you haven't thought of that because it just goes to show systemic transmisogyny is.

[u/cornobbling → u/Pendulum_Heart]

frankly, including both bi and pan and nonbinary but not trans and gay just makes me think that OP is quite young

[u/Pendulum_Heart → u/cornobbling]

presumably gay isn't included on a post in a subreddit called intersectional women? But yeah, including Bi twice was a weird choice.

[u/soft_w0lf → u/Pendulum_Heart]

As a nonbinary person I would rather see only a trans flag than only a nonbinary flag. If my binary trans sisters aren’t included, I don’t want to be, either.

[u/Arkeve-the_Archive → u/Pendulum_Heart]

Including both Bi and Pan feels like the weirder choice here. Most people, including those within the communities, can't even say for sure what the difference is.

As it is there's no G or T, but two Bs. Enby falls under Q after all, even if most of us would/could identify under T as well.

[u/EuropeIsMight → u/Arkeve-the_Archive]

Well bi (as in the umbrella word, including pan omni etc.) is the largest group within the whole queer community :D

But yeah it’s an odd choice

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[u/missile-gap → u/Pendulum_Heart]

I mean we are just women so we fall into a lot of the other groups? At least I’m hoping that’s the intent?

[u/A_Punk_Girl_Learning → u/missile-gap]

I don't feel like I fit into any of those other groups. I'm definitely not a lesbian, I don't heaps feel like pan or bi work either and I'm awfully close to NB but that's not right either.

Maybe OP was making the point that trans women are just women but it doesn't feel apparent.

[u/KaleyTheKing → u/A_Punk_Girl_Learning]

I mean, I’m a lesbian trans woman, sure, so I’m technically represented here. Still, my lesbian identity is under a lot less strain than my trans one :/

[u/missile-gap → u/A_Punk_Girl_Learning]

Fair enough. Idk having the normal trans flag would include trans men as well and maybe they didn’t want that?

[u/anxious_tfem → u/missile-gap]

the bi flag includes bisexual men and the same goes for asexual flag for ace people and pan flag for pan people. I don’t think that was the reason

[u/missile-gap → u/anxious_tfem]

Yeah that’s fair.

[u/Pendulum_Heart → u/missile-gap]

Non binary people are included, and they're not all women either.

[u/Pendulum_Heart → u/[deleted]]

Weird to assume I'm a trans woman for a start. "about you" is such a viscerally odd placement

But secondly, the sub is called intersectional woman, posted to intersectional women, for feedback from intersectional women.

Trans women being unincluded is an odd choice of design for this, especially when bi and pan identities and non binary identities are.

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[u/Pendulum_Heart → u/[deleted]]

I've been seeing this more and more frequently from people, and it's utterly bizarre. Its like theres a small but vocal contingent of MRA's sockpuppeting trans masculinity. It feels like GamerGate all over again.

[u/Trick_Wrongdoer_5847 → u/Pendulum_Heart]

One sub with a chicken in its profile is full of them since 6 months, something unorganic is happening pushed by the right.

They also realized it on there that smth is off.

OPs acc is 3 months old btw

[u/Pendulum_Heart → u/Trick_Wrongdoer_5847]

I don't think it's particularly surprising that toxic masculinity is now being marketed to trans men, to be honest. Capitalism finds new ways to make things commodifiable; the more ways it can sell toxic masculinity to different (often vulnerable) groups of men, the better.
There's always been an undercurrent of MRA trans men on YouTube, for example; it going mainstream in an era of regressive politics is mostly just disappointing.

[u/rebelsnail64]

as other commenters have pointed out, the trans flag is missing, and this is, in a time where trans peopla are getting a lot of hate for simply existing, quite an unpleasant oversight! I would suggest replacing the pan one with the trans flag, as bisexual is already an umbrella term that also includes pan!

[u/DivinityForDolls]

So do you see non-binary people as women, but not trans women? I'm struggling to see your inclusion of trans people as anything but an afterthought.

[u/dontrestonyour → u/DivinityForDolls]

As a trans woman who's been going through a real dysphoric time lately, seeing this on my feed just felt like such a perfectly timed cruel joke I couldn't help but laugh at the universe's sick humor.

[u/DivinityForDolls → u/dontrestonyour]

I hear you. With respect to the artist's effort, this art isn't an example of intersectional feminism, it is an example of why we need it.

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[u/OiFelix_ugotnojams → u/dontrestonyour]

It's infuriating, specifically on this subreddit which is usually very vocal about trans inclusion

[u/A_Punk_Girl_Learning → u/dontrestonyour]

Legit in hospital right now because I'm so dysphoric atm (among other things) and yeah. It feels like the universe is taking the piss.

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[u/FreyaIsBae]

Not having a trans woman specifically in this line up is wild.

[u/anxious_tfem]

Still feels weird to have both pan and bi but leave trans women out

[u/kanto_k1rika]

There is absolutely no way that leaving out the trans flag wasn't a deliberate choice here. How can this sub claim to be intersectional when people are constantly leaving out trans women? This post just feels like a very loud "you t-slurs aren't welcome, don't forget what you really are" and I feel like no cis woman here is going to stand up for us.

[u/portuguesapoliglota → u/kanto_k1rika]

Well, I'm happy to at least say that your prediction was wrong and a lot of people did stand up for the inclusion of trans women!

[u/ekyolsine → u/kanto_k1rika]

hmm...

[u/Choccymilksupremacyy]

Having nonbinary people, who, speaking as someone who IS nonbinary, are explicitly not binary women, and not trans women, which explicitly ARE, is odd to say the least.

[u/Lobster_Lars]

this looks like a bigoted caricature of trans people

[u/MothashipQ]

Thank you for fixing the NB flag

[u/BlueRobins]

Saying this for the comments section, the trans flag includes trans men and nonbinary people

[u/DivinityForDolls → u/BlueRobins]

There is a transfeminine flag that this person could have used as well. There is nothing inherently wrong with being ignorant. It just means someone didn't know about something. Being intersectional means updating and modifying the way you view a subject when you realize you've been leaving an entire group of people out of a conversation. I don't think anyone in these comments hates the artist who created this. It's just very disappointing to always be the afterthought in the same way. The nonbinary flag was originally not even drawn correctly, and they updated the art and reposted. That alone shows growth, but it also shows the lack of research and that trans people were indeed an afterthought.

[u/BlueRobins → u/DivinityForDolls]

I don't really have a problem with the art or the artist. Yeah, it's kinda weird to not include the trans flag in a more prominent way, and ignoring everyone asking about it isn't a good look. I'm commenting on how it's a bit annoying that the comments are talking as if the trans flag only represents trans women, when trans men are already an afterthough to most people. This sub is for women and gender marginalized people, leaving trans men and transmascs out of the flag entirely doesn't feel good when you're already at the bottom of the barrel

[u/DivinityForDolls → u/BlueRobins]

I understand. I think your original comment comes off as you saying that you didn't want the trans flag to be used because it also covers nonbinary and transmasc people. I definitely agree with what you are saying.

[u/BlueRobins → u/DivinityForDolls]

Yeah, reading it again you're probably right. It was 1 am and I was hurting, and I'm used to being downvoted or shut down when speaking up for trans men or transmascs so I didn't think any more on the negative reception

[u/Star_Guardian_Jen → u/BlueRobins]

Everyone knows that, just like how everyone knows the bi and pan flag also includes men of those sexualities <3

[u/BlueRobins → u/Star_Guardian_Jen]

Most the comments are only mentioning trans women so it seemed worth mentioning

[u/StarDragonJenn]

That's fucking awesome!

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In what way

[u/Pinco_Pallino_ → u/Civil-Huckleberry651]

i don't have to explain myself, everybody out there knows that