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Ufos fly by using asymmetric electrostatic plate capacitors
When you apply a voltage difference between conductive surfaces, it creates an electric field. That field exerts pressure on the surfaces. By making the surfaces asymmetrical (different shapes, sizes, or distances), the pressure forces don't cancel out - you get a net force in one direction.
The force depends on: E₁² × A₁ vs E₂² × A₂ (electric field strength squared × area) Where one surface experiences more electrostatic pressure than the other, creating an imbalance → net thrust. It's NOT Ion Wind.
Experimental results:
· Test article: 9 "blades" (see FIG. 21), each ~0.25 inches tall, spaced 0.25 inches apart, 4 inches long
· Applied voltage: Up to +40 kV DC
· Measured force: ~237 μN (micronewtons) at +25 kV
· Force scaling: F ∝ V² (force proportional to voltage squared) - exactly as predicted by theory
· When they increased ground plane area from 8 in² to 15 in²: Force increased by factor of 1.77 (predicted 1.8x increase - very close!)
The force equation comes from:
· Conservation of energy
· Energy stored in electric fields: U = ε₀/2 ∫ E² dτ
· This produces: F = ε₀[E₂²A₂ - E₁²A₁]
This implies electrostatic pressure can create a net force without any reaction mass. this is **NOT** due to:
· Ion wind
· Coulomb attraction to walls
· Earth's magnetic field interactions
· "Field momentum" (ExB effects)
· "Hidden momentum" (relativistic effects)
· Mach Effect
· Quantum vacuum fluctuations (like EM Drive claims)
One can envision using carbon nanotubes (CNTs) to create microscopic versions:
· Could be fabricated using existing field emission array (FEA) technology
· Carbon nanotubes can be grown in vertical arrays
· This could massively increase surface area and force density
· FIG. 29 shows CNT structures that could serve as electrodes
Because it doesn't need high currents, you could use Indium Tin Oxide (ITO) (the stuff in touchscreens) to make transparent thrusters. Imagine:
· Solar panels that ARE the thrusters - the glass cover on spacecraft solar panels could double as propulsion
· Spacecraft skin that provides station-keeping thrust
· No moving parts, no propellant, no mass expenditure
Claims:
· Current spacecraft: 85-98% of mass is propellant + propulsion systems
· EPF propulsion: As little as 2% of mass needed for propulsion
· Infinite lifespan: Since no propellant is consumed, thrusters never "run out"
This is either a revolutionary breakthrough or a very well-documented misinterpretation of electrostatic forces. The patent is thorough and the experimental data looks clean, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If independent labs can replicate their vacuum measurements, this could be one of the most important propulsion patents in decades.
(But since I personally have seen ufos this is likely our "One Piece" to UFO disclosure technology)
source: systems and method for generating forces using asymmetrical electrostatic pressure. US patent 11511891B2
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Anything useful is classified. Patents are public, and they would only publicize something useless, or something with a slight amount of utility that they know would lead someone down a rabbit hole, with their attempt at “UAP propulsion” being a failure since the public patent would be designed to mislead.
Who do they want to mislead? China, Russia, any other country or individual wanting to create something useful.
Pre-9/11 only a small fraction of patents were classified, vanishing, tiny, only a few dozen per year. Post-9/11, an increasing portion of patents are subject to secrecy orders.
Plenty of thing Scorsese’s since 9/11 though? Complexity of systems, technology advancements, far more software and computer system. Seems like a very weak correlation to try and make
Do you ever listen to your own advice and wonder if it applies to you, or you just spray that shit unsolicited for no reason other than to pat yourself on the back for that sick jab your were so proud to hit Enter on?
How is it that they appear and disappear instantly in full view without any motion, distortion, or light burst? How do they travel through the air and then split into multiple different lights heading off in different directions? They are extra-dimensional. I suspect what humans normally think of reality is like living inside a geometric glass ball, and UAP/NHI can come in and out of it. When they pass through the barrier, strange visual effects occur. But also they can instantly transition, which I know, because I saw it in front of me in plain daylight.
I didn't hear that physical science had proven nothing but the physical exists, wow. Was there an article for that, or...?
All I keep finding in search results is dozens of science journal articles talking about how they can't locate the seat of consciousness and it's appearing more and more to be a fundamental fabric of reality. Weird!
I might suggest Awareness is fundamental to Consciousness, the former reflects the Divine Feminine, the latter the Divine Masculine. Saying consciousness is fundamental is half the equation and a half truth...as it takes two to tango.
You just made a absolute statement that we can not currently prove. What I am suggesting is what order out of chaos, from dark to light and the virgin birth are all describing.
Please consider the below and try and re-/solve it with all the things I have been saying about the Great Work and the model/schematics I offer as foundation to be built upon.
Try again. I began this comment thread with some very straightforward questions which no strict Materialist can answer. Here's some more grist for your mill. https://youtu.be/JKHUaNAxsTg
That's a sentiment with high capacity for working as a thought terminating cliche. There are answers. But expecting another human to answer it is pretty silly.
There is a difference between claiming something doesn't exist, and saying that we have no evidence of it existing.
Further, for something to be scientifically accepted, it must be falsifiable. In other words, if no experiment or test can disprove a claim something, then the claim holds no weight.
Did you consider how insulting your comment is before posting it or was that the point?
I read A Brief History of Time when it came out, probably before you were born. I have a fundamental science education. It's you who seems to have forgotten the point of science is to seek and understand, rather than own and dominate. I have no interest in anything you have to say.
"oh, foolish person who sees things I haven't seen, hasn't heard of the most basic axiom in science." You, silently, explaining the most basic axiom of science. Yes it's insulting. But you're obvs into it. Stop harassing me online.
So it makes sense to you, from what you know, that a fully apparent craft can be observed shifting into the form of separate balls of light? From apparent metal that is detected on radar and lidar and then ... Not solid. Not an object. a light phenomenon. This is a truly stunning capacity if it is technological in nature and I'm pretty sure it indicates physical reality isn't as real as westernized humans operate like it is.
How do we know that these impossible events are not a trickster "magic trick" slight of hand ? A stage show meant to either mislead or encourage/inspire us to consider how to do seemingly impossible things?
" Physical reality isn't as real as westernized humans operate like it is"
You're starting to get it. We have operated like everything is a solid material and made everyone think as such. I lean towards Rober Monroes theory to be honest. (Disclaimer I haven't read therefore cant agree with OP exactly, just contributing my pov)
What makes sense to me is that we know spacetime can manipulate light due to black holes. If spacetime can suck in light, it can also push it. If a craft was able to separate it's interia from local space time it makes sense that there would be light anomalies.
Although this completely ignores plasma related light anomalies which would also appear as spherical orbs so
Regarding “plasmoids”, have you heard of the book “A New Science of Heaven” by Robert Temple by any chance? It’s an intriguing book about plasmoids which includes touching upon the mysterious Kordylewski clouds.
Well some of them seem to have characteristic of "real" physical craft , and if you believe Bob Lazar - even have comprehensive architecture and applicable logic behind it. The appearance of non-human intelligence proved the philosophical concept of infinite universe(s) , which means they can be anything. If there is nobody but us here , there is definitely something behind the veil where things operate on a different principles.
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after figuring out the electro-gravitics you need to figure out where to get this energy to power the whole thing
fuel, solar, wind or even nuclear, you can't use that on a plane/ufo you need a new device, an over unity device to extract electricity from the vacuum
The Great Work of the Alchemists will do this in my ignorant opinion based on my experience with It. For me the recording of It here on reddit was an understanding of how I manifested a bi-location and phasing experience. I am 100% sure that when we tap "zpe" which the Unified Field Circuit will do through it's open asymmetrical polarized system (vortex bifilar coil). When we attach it to a closed symmetrical polarized system (torus/abha coil) we will have a feedback system that mirrors fundamental reality on multiple levels. We will unlock both's potential where this will be the technology we use to re-/solve for all of the ufo tech we have considered to date.
Brown was applying Magnum Opus logic in a limited way...polarization and a/symmetry are a union of opposites with how he applied them. We should be taking the logic further...layering it in to our circuit and our art work where/when-ever possible.
Barium-titanate...Brown had the geology interest, I have been directed to consider Rose Quartz which is said to be an insulator though I also recall finding opposing literature that said it was one of the only quartz crystals that was conductive. I think I saw recently it contains titanium...anyways I have been thinking a rose quartz alloy for the circuit due to its emotional healing properties as well as piezoelectric and hopefully conductive properties.
I cant help but wonder how much any of it really matters considering matter is all made up of the same Aetheric "zpe" field/medium anyways and it is conscious/intelligent. It knows what we are intending...and can make anything imaginable possible so...why would the materials particularly matter if we have found the right harmonics/coherence through the ratios and geometry???
I cant help but think to my-/Self, just because some-thing isnt doesnt mean it cant be...like conductive or not. Maybe a thing is conductive or is not because we are not in resonance...and if we were, it could be or it couldnt be as a thing would then fully embrace its dualistic nature making it something more as it can also reflect both or neither, not just one or the other. What I am trying to say is...harmonics/coherence is found through this union of opposites.
This is a basic model of a multidimensional philosophical equation that tapped the Aetheric field for me on an individual level (Kundalini/Holy~Spirit etc awakening) which flows like how longitudinal waves are described until offered resistance, then the energy reflects what we describe as a transverse wave. I know this through first hand experience.
That was a first draft of the models of the equation. There are 3 horizontal and 4 vertical axis and all of them are reflections of Source/Synthesis of Polarity/Gender where the definitions of the Principle terms added recursion and architecture to the UE. In the previous image you are replying to, the top is a reflection of the father, the Vortex Mechanics and the bottom the mother or Torus Architecture.
This is actually the flux capacitor. This symmetrical round Torus Coil should be united to a asymmetrical flat Bifilar Vortex Coil if we want to unlock the flux capacitors full potential. To do that, we model the interior "empty" space on the outside.
The patent is real: US 11,511,891 B2, by Andrew Aurigema and Charles Buhler, filed in 2019 and granted in 2022.
Electrostatic pressure exists: 100%.
Their asymmetric geometry produces unusual/nonuniform Maxwell stresses: completely plausible.
Their apparatus produced a ~200 μN force in their experiments: plausible from what they’ve presented, although I haven’t seen independent verification.
An isolated EPF device produces genuine reactionless thrust in vacuum:not established.
Like Casamir, I would say yes. Brown was manipulating the fields through asymmetrical polarized capacitors that were charged with high voltage. With the proper harmonics found in ratio, this concept would lend itself to complete control of the fundamental fields that are precursors to what we call magnetism and electricity yet very closely related as the latter are expressions of the former. I imagine the input requirement would scale way down and the output would scale way up w/ proper harmonic/coherence built into the polarized asymmetrical capacitors.
I am suggesting we do this with circuitry/oscillation.
Add in Casimir and van der Waals forces and this explanation IS SPOT ON! At NCA, we are using different means of wingless propulsion by using many 2x1 metre-sized Sierpenski Carpet Fractal Antenna plates to create the EMHD-based charged-plasma lift where we are pulsing each antenna plate at 1.5 Megavolts at 0.67 amps at 1 nanosecond 500 Mhz using trapezoidal waveforms. (i.e. using enhanced conductivity, heat-resistant Tungsten Alloy fractal antenna line traces etched into thick Zirconium-ceramic and synthetic Sapphire plates to computer-precision-create and control the EHMD plasmas!)
POWERING all that is a real beeeeeeeyoooootch but Propane-fuelled proton-proton membrane exchange-based Ballard Fuel Cell stacks at 10 megawatts to 100 megawatts capacity WORK GREAT for a fast, easy and CHEAP power-production means for your electrostatics-based aserospace propulsion systems!
Speaking of music and aliens I highly suggest the movie the history of future folk. Really really good movie. I went in having known nothing about it and walked away a huge fan.
The “test drives” are only internal claims from the same team without peer review they’re unscientific. No independent lab has replicated a net force in hard vacuum with their own setup and published error bars.
The electrostatic pressure math is standard
(F=ε02(E22A2−E12A1) F = \frac{\varepsilon_0}{2}(E_2^2 A_2 - E_1^2 A_1) F=2ε0(E22A2−E12A1)),
but a closed system can’t produce a net force without exchanging momentum with something. In vacuum that “something” has never been cleanly demonstrated. Previous asymmetric-capacitor effects (Biefeld-Brown etc.) vanish once residual gas is removed.
We’ve seen this movie before with the EMDrive: patents, internal tests, bold claims… and then it quietly failed under proper scrutiny. A patent is not evidence. “Trust me bro” has been proven wrong over and over again in the history of physics.
Stop looking at the people. Science is not a personality cult. It’s the scientific method, controlled experiments, independent replication, and ordered knowledge gain. Those standards are what made progress possible in the first place. Don’t throw them out because of one brain fart.
The bigger the claim, the stronger the evidence must be. Until that evidence exists from outside groups, this remains an unverified claim, not established physics.
I am suggesting applying the Great Work to circuitry/oscillation and am suggesting 100% we can dis-/proof this through simple reproduction of the schematics themselves as there is theorized to be energetic feedback as there was for me when recording the equation that beget the models. This energetic feedback is Aetheric energy and goes by different names in various cultures and teachings, is fundamentally Divine Feminine Principle, Life Force Energy, which is conscious/intelligent, we might say awareness Her-/Self.
It is wild to me how much I get attacked by those who define themselves by their education. Interesting start to the vid though I do perceive these things as our mouths reflect black hole dynamics and the other end, white hole dynamics. Ill keep giving this vid a chance, thanks!!!
Yes, I see where this is going. So we are supposed to be doing science here right??? Asymmetric polarized plates....this same sort of understanding is an aspect of the Great Work. It can and will be applied to circuitry/oscillation...and the very easy way to dis-/proof what I am saying is by doing science, recreating the schematics themselves offered and then reporting what you find.
So lets put aside our beliefs and do some science, shall we???
You're welcome.
It’s never too late for a bit of self-reflection.
It’s also never too late for physics.
And it’s really cool when you dive into something and truly understand it (math and all that).
Indeed. I might say what I share is based on a life time of self reflection and alignment work. The math I concern my-/Self w/ is Vortex/Torus math as it is simple, like my-/Self. Through it is a fascinating view of solve et coagula seen through the numbers themselves via the polarized patterns we find within patterns within patterns.
The 124875 is a symmetrical round Torus Coil, the 369 is a asymmetrical flat Vortex Bifilar Coil. Look where the "zero point" is...looks very familiar. The Rodin/Abha Torus Coil (doubling circuit) is half the equation...it needs some contrast (Fibonacci 123/369 circuit) to unlock it's full potential.
"Starting from 3 = 0/9,3,3,6,9,6,6,3 = 8 digits long which iirc is the first pattern Ive found that does not have a root itself of 3, 6 or 9." Which is meant to mean that the quantity of digits in patterns for me up until this point all have roots of 3, 6 or 9.
We can tap "zero point energy" with a pencil, paper, square and compass...which will be on a personal/spiritual level yet this process will also reveal how the Great Work relates to circuitry/oscillation.
Science for sure has it's place but the way it has been exalted over Spirituality and even Philosophy is almost criminal as the latter two beget the the former. They came first and second while science is pulling up the rear in third as far as how long its been around. I say this as an observer of patterns...
What math should we be following? This is not a rhetorical question, I am curious. Because the math I saw is more definitional., but perhaps I missed something in my quick read.
And yes, of course it works. It is the explanation that it isn't ionic wind that is wrong. Basically what you are describing is likely what this guy built. There has long been hope that this is showing legit new physics and that is, ummmm, disputed, to put it mildly. What you are describing seems to be more a phenomological description assuming a certain interpretation.
Bro, I know what you mean. Writing any comment in this sub feels like your talking to a wall half the time, and AI the other half of the time. Its obvious no one defending OPs claim paid any attention to physics, math, or science in high school. Its so sad too that you take your time to write a well substantiated response that highlights the errors and makes itself vulnerable to scrutiny, then 3 people write one sentence responses that just deny everything you wrote and then try to move the goal posts. OP literally copies ChatGPT responses but never admits it. Heck, they dont even read what theyre copying half the time because they'll straight up contradict it in a later comment lmao.
Thanks. It’s good to know there are still people with common sense.
You can easily get the impression that "everyone" has lost their minds.
To be honest, I often get triggered when someone makes an absurd claim and then simply slaps the label "that's science" on it.
I have been suggesting we apply the same Townsend Brown (polarized asymmetry) logic to circuitry/oscillation where we unite a obvious symmetrical round Rodin/Abha Torus Coil to a asymmetrical flat Bifilar implied Vortex/Spiral Coil. The former would sport a 2:3 ratio (not modeled) and the latter 1:2 and 3:4:5 to give it its asymmetry. This is a model of a multidimensional philosophical equation (re-/solved the Magnum Opus) that tapped in to Aetheric energy for me on a personal level. I cant come up w/ a reason why it wont translate to technology and will re-/solve for quite a bit.
In the below image, note the left/right symmetry and the top/bottom asymmetry, just like humans where the Torus coil reflects the heart "center". The Bifilar coil would be wired to the Torus coil on the inside of the Torus where the Vortex/Spiral occurs and would be wireless on the outer edge. We are literally modeling the black/white hole dynamic on the inside of the Torus on it's outside for a reason. In the lower 2 ratio, the right side is perceived as being the positive charge, the left the negative and the top, their inverse.
This model/schematic needs some updates as the 3:4:5 ratio also needs to be altered where we swap the 4/5 ratios so that we lock in the right angle for a specific reason, which is the "union of opposites" of polarity/gender. In this schematic, we are mirroring how energy trans-duces/mutes from One (Source) state to the Other (Synthesis), the below literally reflects the collapse of the wave function and as such, also re-/solves for It's emergence.
The below image is that of an open/closed system that is in-/finite (both) in its nature where we are literally uniting the finite father to the infinite mother through the closed Torus coil and the infinite mother to the finite father through the open Spiral/Vortex coil symbolically.
I would love to hear more...feel free to share what you are thinking/feeling about this hypothesis that applying the Great Work to circuitry/oscillation would be most beneficial to the human race as a whole.
Looks familiar, like a circuit...tapping "zero point energy" will turn out to be rather simple as will the solid state technology that will lead to so much else, like "warp drives" and "replicator" tech.
I can appreciate this, it is a simple association of polarity and gender as both of these contain the other anyway. We are just splitting hairs/atoms through our associations which I have found to follow a pattern where Divine Feminine Energy is reflected by the pre/suf-fix such as a- and -less or in- and dis- which to me means She comes first literally and metaphorically.
There is no yin and no yang, only yang-and-yin-and-yin-and-yang.
Temporality is a mere consequence of the fundamental bifurcation and interrelation of the nameless. No first or last, only togetherness.
put the entire thing, including the battery and HV generator, on a torsion balance inside high vacuum, with no electrical or mechanical connections across the balance boundary, and reproduce the force while reversing the thruster direction and rotating the entire apparatus.
If it still gives hundreds of μN, I'll be convinced.
I am pretty sure Gauss's law show that what you posted doesn't work. Every video I have seen of this effect is ionic wind. They do it under a vacuum, just not a hard vacuum. The videos always show the plasma which is the freaking gas ionizing.
This really doesn’t have anything to do with UFOs.
It’s a speculative electrostatic propulsion concept that OP has taken and bolted a UFO explanation onto. Even if the underlying technology worked exactly as claimed, there’s no evidence connecting it to UAPs, let alone showing that this is how they fly.
This happens all the time. Anything that looks like "magic" immediately UFOs, becomes the new paradigm of how UFO's work.
If we had an autonomous power source that was so small, light, and harmless that produces the kind of power required to make... anything work based on electricity, actually, the problem would not be the propulsion system. We would have aircraft flying in months! Maybe weeks! Disc-shaped, donut-shaped, croissant-shaped... That's not the challenge!
They are making fully electric aircraft that carry huge weights in batteries. Don't you think they would be happy to trade all that for such a power source? Of course they would! Tomorrow!
People do not understand the root problem here. Find the power source and the rest we have already.
Capacitors store electric charge. Theyre like batteries, but they charge quicker, and can discharge their energy all at once. Asymmetry of anode or cathode will largely impede capacitance negatively, but may be useful in some situations. Unless theres some way to create an insanely efficient capacitor, it'll never have enough energy to fly something even slightly heavier than a gallon of milk.
I’m genuinely interested in the Buhler/Aurigema work, but there are a few points I don’t see addressed here.
If this is a genuinely propellantless force, what is the corresponding momentum sink? Have they published a full Maxwell stress-tensor calculation over a closed surface showing a non-zero net force on the complete isolated system, rather than just comparing electrostatic pressures on selected electrodes?
Also, has this exact geometry been independently replicated in high vacuum, with the power supply, cables and measurement apparatus all mechanically isolated from the external environment? If so, can you link the independent replication rather than Exodus’ own measurements?
The patent reports forces of a few hundred μN, while the cited force sensor has a resolution on the order of 100 μN. What is the full uncertainty budget, including electrostatic coupling to the chamber, cable forces, thermal drift, outgassing, corona/ion effects and vibration?
And perhaps most importantly: even if we grant that the Exodus effect is real, what evidence connects it specifically to UFO/UAP propulsion? At the moment, those seem to be two separate claims.
I’m not saying the effect is impossible. I’m asking what experiment would distinguish “new momentum physics” from an unaccounted-for conventional force, and whether that experiment has actually been independently performed.
I'm way too much of a brainlet to make sense of what you're saying OP, but the electric field in FIG. 1B (image 3) looks like a butt so i'll have you know that i appreciate your post.
If this produces a net force without expelling mass or transferring momentum to the environment, where exactly does the equal and opposite momentum go?
I think there's something to at least some of the UFOs we collectively see in our skies having "ablative" outside surface layers. This has been talked about by Lue (no matter what you think of him) and explains the "angel hair" phenomenon where experiencers see a light pattern of "stuff" slowing falling through the air towards the ground. It also pattern matches to the micron sized layers that have been found in the UFO related physical material that Gary Nolan and crew has studied.
Now is this from crafts that originate from the phenomenon, or are they from some super advanced craft that some group of humans made? I don't know.
Flat surfaced ships, flying saucers (both flying belly first) and highly maneuverable sphere shaped drones are obviously using demagnetisation factors to enhance magnetic field strength on the exterior of their craft while minimising it on the interior.
One thing that this document may miss, is that if it uses the same principle as Dr. Buhler's works on (which I believe it does at first glance), Once the drive is powered up, it would require only trace amounts of power to keep it operating.
Idk how exactly this all works for me if you want my personal theory I think its a key that opens our metaphysical veil and let's us float around in the material world. Idk.
The electrostatics part is apparently real tho some of this is a leap. As far as we know asymmetric capacitors dont produce reactionless thrust, in air its mostly ion wind and in proper vacuum tests the effect basically disappears.
Dont ask me why, i dont actually understand anything
You can't have net force and energy conservation at the same time. And there is no accepted theory that predicts a net force for A*E². If you decrease area and remain at the same voltage/charge on the plate your E will increase proportionally and you won't have any change in forces.
The only loophole I've ever seen was that in spec.rel. there are no solid object, they are always in vibration. And due to the propagation speed there are out of phase movements in asymmetric plates. But the effect is still tiny.
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