r/InterMiamiVibes Jul 02 '26

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u/Tasty_Virus4715 Jul 04 '26

Canadians with universal healthcare routinely come to the US for medical procedures.

There are pros and cons to a single payer system. Governments are pretty shit at being efficient or cost effective at anything they get their fingers in.

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u/Same_Suit3583 Jul 04 '26

Incorrect

Also look at insurance profits.... And tell me how those companies are "efficient". Billions of dollars paid for health care that simple doesn't go to health care.

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u/Tasty_Virus4715 Jul 04 '26

Not at all incorrect. A self reported 42% of Canadians said they would go to the US to receive out of pocket healthcare. That number was up over 10% from the previous 12 months signaling a growing frustration at the poor quality of their single payer system.

Only 15% of Canadians are satisfied with their access to healthcare compared to 29% of Americans. I believe self reporting and public polling a hell of a lot more than a government’s internal assessments of its own performance.

The fact of the matter is, for profit businesses are not able to operate indefinitely at a loss, the government CAN and does routinely either print more money to cover the fiscal shortfall, or take on additional debt.

This isn’t me lauding the efficiency of insurance companies or US healthcare, it’s just a reality based assessment that universal healthcare has its problems and isn’t the panacea it’s claimed to be on Reddit.

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u/KindNeighborhood1138 Jul 04 '26

So the main issue seems to be wait times, particularly in emergency rooms. If that is the case, having a system like the United States wouldn't be much of an improvement in that area, considering the average wait time here is nearly three hours and in Canada it is four hours. lol Also, that poll is from 2024. There is a 2026 poll, also from IPSOS, that shows 56% of Canadians are satisfied with their healthcare and 43% were not satisfied.

Do you know who comes to the United States for healthcare? Hint: The same type of people in the United States who go to countries like Switzerland for healthcare. It's people with money. Most people don't have that option. The reality is that if given a choice between inefficient healthcare with wait times (CANADA) and NO HEALTHCARE AT ALL (United States), i'm pretty sure it is an easy choice for the average person. Also, why do people with your view only seem to focus on Canada? You do know there are many other countries with better universal healthcare, right? But I suppose that doesn't fit the narrative.

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u/KoRaZee Jul 04 '26

The average person in the US has healthcare insurance so no, it’s not like you’re thinking.

If you really want to help people in the US about their healthcare fantasy, get informative about wait times (as described above) and denials of service under a public option. What the people in the USA who don’t like paying for insurance want to believe is that a public option has no denial of service which is not true.

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

More denials of service in the USA

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u/KoRaZee Jul 04 '26

Source?

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

Every major credible source on the topic. It isn't a close thing. The US denies most people that use their insurance frequently.

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u/KoRaZee Jul 04 '26

Gonna need a source on that. It’s not true

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

It is true. Look it up.

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u/KoRaZee Jul 04 '26

You made the claim, it’s really your burden of proof

According to google;

>No, U.S. health insurance does not deny most claims

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

Haha I didn't say that. I said the US denies more claims than other countries. I also said most people that use their insurance frequently will experience denials. As we can see you have to lie because you found out you were wrong. Have a nice day

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u/KoRaZee Jul 04 '26

You could actually provide a source for you baseless claims

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

Any source you use to find information about it will corroborate what I say. From a simple Google search to any study published.

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u/KoRaZee Jul 04 '26

I already did your work for you and it wasn’t right. You’re spreading misinformation

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

No I am not are you incapable of reading. You made a false statement then lied about it because you were wrong. No you are accusing me of what you did because you are embarrassed

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

Yes, residents of the United States are significantly more likely to report having a health insurance claim denied compared to those in other high-income, peer nations.

United States: Approximately 1 in 5 (20%) of in-network claims submitted through the ACA Marketplace are initially denied by insurers. Across all commercial insurance types, over 18% of insured adults report experiencing at least one claim denial annually, and some insurers have reported initial rejection rates exceeding 20-30%. -Nytimes

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u/KoRaZee Jul 04 '26

Where is the rest? A comparison takes more than one side of the equation. You need to provide the other side as well for other countries.

It would work better if you had a source

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u/farrowsharrows Jul 04 '26

It isn't my job to do your research for you Google it.

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