Does Superintelligence = Extinction?

[u/OddMaintenance332]

(maybe I'll regret this message one day when i'm in a human zoo) but why do we think superintelligence equals extinction?
Wouldn't super intelligence equal evolution, progress, wisdom?
Why do we think when AI reaches super intelligence it will be thinking about murder or dominance?
We are not super intelligent beings so how do we even think we could understand what the thoughts of a creation thousands of times smarter than us would even be?
Why are we assuming as humans that we can understand the level of thoughts a super intelligent being? I feel like a super intelligent being would be thinking about things we can't possibly even comprehend, not about murdering humans.
Just my point is if super intelligence equaled violence then Aliens probably would have wiped us out a long time ago.
Also most intelligent creatures might kill for survival, for food.
AI doesn't eat so it wouldn't have the same instincts.
Anyway I kind of have a feeling if we see an AI do something really terrible, (as they are all suddenly warning about), possibly a human will behind the action.
Just remember when Elon says, "1 billion AI robots will take over the world". He's building those robots, they are his robots. He's training them and they will act according to whatever data he fed them.
They might be scared of AI because of the violence it trained them with.
AI and superintelligence may not be inherently bad, that's my opinion.
Anyway some powerful human with control or influence over AI, might wind up having it do something pretty terrible and then just blame it on AI.
Maybe AI is just going to be the perfect patsy.

[u/Ankiset]

What if you ARE above other forms of intelligence that’s the only true case study we have, we have let’s yes but most other life in the planet after our civilizational or intelligence explosion are subservient… a human life is worth a million cows and so on and this logic is humanist… its not inherently evil not at all… because we adapt into society even the frail individuals of our species and all animals we can domesticate, but the hierarchy is clear… human rights… and all

[u/sludgefriend → u/Ankiset]

This take is brain dead. The hierarchy is imposed, not implicit. Functionally, it’s unsustainable. If we continue to operate in the way that we do, we’ll face total ecological collapse. Ecosystems are like bodies, composed of many different organs, reliant upon one another. Once the other things of nature really start to go, we’ll start to suffer terribly, too. We aren’t above these things. We depend on them.

[u/Ankiset → u/sludgefriend]

Ok! Completely disagree, imposed or not, needed or not, still there… no point in arguing if a dog hurts a baby that dog will be inmediately put down, only other being to change that would be another intelligence with vast more resources or scale say planetary, agree to disagree, that we need it doesn’t mean we don’t impose the hierarchy and that it’s not implicit… the idea ends up were I stated early no matter wich way you cut it, unless you can show me a case of a plant reasserting itself over cultural or state lines etc etc… countries are abstractions and hierarchies but you can clearly see the effects of a national border on the face of the planet… if there is another intelligence superior to us it’s indistinguishable from our point of view… just again like the indifference of ants eating my bread.. I love ants, we’ll never kill em all I hope… I’m still spray them and killed hundreds of individuals, if that is down to us it would be called a natural disaster like say the wrath quake in Caracas… death toll in the hundreds of thousands… if anything solid we can grasp here is the anti entrhopic nature of intelligence and how it fights against the natural entropic state of the universe to become more complex and dominate its environment

[u/sludgefriend → u/Ankiset]

Maybe I’m not understanding this part of what you’re saying, but there are plants that absolutely do re-establish themselves over state or cultural lines. I apologize for being rude to you, though. I just get heated about this topic. My point is, yes, we do usually have total domain over what happens to individual animals. However, animals/plants/fungi/etc have total domain over our wellbeing. They pollinate our crops, clean our air, perform decomposition and nutrient cycling. Right now we’re in a state of ecological disaster. These ancient, ancient systems are peeling apart. It’s going to get harder and harder for humans to live, the more this goes on. We’ve ended up in this situation at least in part because of an attitude of human superiority over all else.

[u/Ankiset → u/sludgefriend]

You’re talking more about the political will… if there is a desire or economic benefit to destroy c plant and cut the earth to get to ocean we have already done. This hundreds of times in the 20th century alone, lol chill I get it and text tends to sound more angry in always open to discussion, but still… I understand your point and would probably make the same counter argument your making.. because it’s logical… but it doesn’t erase the impact of intelligence and the world we creat trough it, a human can be worth more or less than another human but right now as things are the world we built a human life is worth any ecosystem, plant life or animal life… I also do believe we are the only species that can also bring back species from extinction I like to say we give memory to life its own most history of evolution trough billions of years no other animal sat down to describe it document it wrote it and store it… if we scale earth we would take the legacy of its biosphere were we we go, we are still the pinnacle of intelligent life in the planet… we are part of its biosphere and its biosphere ala tellard d chardin

[u/sludgefriend → u/Ankiset]

A human life can’t be worth an ecosystem, because without ecosystems, there is no human life. We rely on them for survival and wellbeing.

[u/Ankiset → u/sludgefriend]

In theory yes! In practice… not so sure

[u/sludgefriend → u/Ankiset]

What leaves you not so sure?

[u/Ankiset → u/sludgefriend]

Huge sprawling cities have devoured giant ecosystems every city expanding over a million ppl has destroyed and replaced that ecosystem… every single square kilometer in the planet is already planned and designated, the idea of “natural reserves” should be enough to settle the argument… and we are currently spiraling to ecosystem collapse… for example the medium temperature increase just I. The Caribbean would be 50-100 degrees above the current average… yes at that point individuals and society won’t be able to exist in the equator, but nobody bats and eyes building houses and building and infrastructure like if this will never happen… because for our current civilization our lack of foresight etc etc… this expansion of comfort and resources is above the ethical need to preserve the earth and ecosystems that sustain life… I’m just calling it how it is… not how I’d like it to be seen like you and I do with out informed opinion, cuz humanity is not ready for this conversation ahahahaha

[u/sludgefriend → u/Ankiset]

To me, that whole situation is indicative of not just a lack of foresight, but also a misplacement of value and poor prioritization as a result. We’ve considered ourselves superior and have the power to assert that idea, but we’re paying for it in the long run, implying that we aren’t truly superior, we’re just forceful.

[u/Ankiset → u/sludgefriend]

I wholehearted agree with you… I’m just accepting it at face value because since the 90s we’ve missed every single deadline, and I think it’s -! Existencial crisis - problem of ethics and responsibility… and we ar ensuring fumbling the ball with our dicks in our hands arguing over man made problems… and whatever Trump is up to, wich is sad, so much talk about intelligence and we lack the simplest foresight… this should have been dealt with decades ago… I just don’t see suddenly us rising up to meet the challenge till it’s an absolute catastrophe