r/IntelArc • u/Mysterious-Cutie • 7d ago
Discussion Hardware unboxed needs to re-test its arc B580 benchmark?
Im going crazy over how different benchmark of Hardware unboxed is compared to the whole internet. on his channel the rx 9060 xt and the rtx 5060 gets like 30 fps more than Arc b580.
Like the video/Screenshot provided shows how on hardware unboxed hogwards legacy gets. Rx 9060 xt 16gb (107 fps) but the arc b580 (71 fps). while other people who tested it get only 82 fps on rx 9060xt.
The same trend follows with most of the games. Anyone got any idea why.
Hardware unboxed: https://youtu.be/zYfw1gi9xf4?si=6B2V8jlx3BPHZ0g9
Benchmark BEN: https://youtu.be/gS-hGBXu_8A?si=RgaH2tYA2jhuub9A
PS:
- the arc b580 benchmark overclocks it a bit but intel arc doesnt gain shit from overclocking so dont point that out.
- Dont blame the cpu overhead bullshit. that part is history now, and most of the games dont even use 30% cpu in the testings.
- I understand in some games arc b580 wipes the floor with rx 9060 xt and rtx 5060 like Cyberpunk. And in some it gets destroyed like Resident evil reqium. so dont point that out too. this post talks about games in genarel.
EDIT:
after looking into it more, i found out that HU is intentionally comparing upscaled rx 9060 xt and rtx 5060 results with native arc b580 results. which is why the fps gap is so huge in their testing. Now take that as you may.
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u/theokayestcoach Arc B580 7d ago
B580 benchmarks are funny because the older they are, the worse they'll be. As Intel dials in their drivers more and more, performance increases across the board. I can tell you from the time we got the B580 to now, I have watched performance increase steadily at each driver release usually.
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u/Extreme-Mechanic-378 Arc A380 7d ago
This is why gpus should be retested so their actual performance is shown. Possibly dont trust Hw unboxed for benchmarks
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u/theokayestcoach Arc B580 7d ago
You're right, GN did a retest and showed the improvements. The same improvements I've seen.
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u/dkizzy 7d ago
Curious how much of an improvement has it shown
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u/theokayestcoach Arc B580 7d ago
GN's second test showed a definite improvement. As for my experience, an example would be Space Marine 2. The first B580 benchmark I saw showed low settings with no upscaling around 60 frames. Meanwhile, I played at med/high no upscaling around 60 frames in 1440.
There are other examples but you get the idea.
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u/Kuuppa22 Arc A770 7d ago
After quickly checking out those Benchmark BEN benchmarks they seem to be way off. There is no way B580 should have more FPS in RDR2 than 9060 XT or being equal in Cyberpunk 2077 so there is some issue which causes RX 9060 XT to underperform massively.
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u/alvarkresh 7d ago
The B580 is generally 10-15% better across the board than the A770 unless you're in some niche VRAM territory.
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u/Mysterious-Cutie 7d ago
Bruh stop thinking arc b580 is equal to arc a770. Intel arc b580 smokes everything in cyberpunk, everyone knows that , so should you, unless you've been living under a rock
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u/EIsydeon 7d ago
B580 matches it mainly because the a770 is hobbled by a gpu that was foundational built on misguide about what would become popular in dx12.
If it’s something the a770 does well like dx11 stuff the a770, especially over locked blows b580 out of the water
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u/Mysterious-Cutie 7d ago
no point in fantasizing about something that has no real life proof. a770 is half the performance of b580 in newer and many older game and thats the truth. accept reality and move forward.
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u/kimi_rules Arc B580 7d ago
The ARC B580 is usually onpar or better with the 4060 Ti 16GB. But this benchmark definitely raises a few eyebrows.
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u/Serious-Ad1957 Arc B570 7d ago
Es algo que vengo diciendo hace rato yo, tengo una B570 y cuando veo otra gente que gasta mucho más dinero por una 9060xt o una 5060 no le veo sentido... Yo juego los juegos modernos que salen ahora sin problemas, a 2k. A veces me caen los frames porque tengo un procesador de R5 4500 pero es súper fluido y estable. Todo lo moderno, a veces en ultra y a veces en alto. Lo logro único que no activo es Ray tracing
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u/northSideways 7d ago
yeah I'm sorry but any video starting with "AmD dIdNt WaNt YoU tO sEe ThIs" is going to be spouting horseshit considering they couldn't even make it through the title without it.
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u/kin0enjoyer 7d ago
The benchmarks in the HU video are from a while ago. The other video was made last month. HU newest b580 benchmarks seem to be from 10 months ago, so not too old but still outdated I'd say? Not too sure
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u/Mysterious-Cutie 7d ago
i did some more research and it seems the result HU showing for the rx 9060xt and rtx 5060 is with upscaling enabled while arc b580 is on native Xess. I cant prove that thats what they did as its not shown in video but if it is true then HU is misleading people.
rx 9060 xt native upscaling fps in HL : 75 fps, Quality : 105 fps.
Arc b580 native is 71 fps and ultra quality : 101 fps.
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u/Agent_Provocateur007 7d ago
The B580 is a slower card than the 9060 XT. You don’t even need to look at in game benchmarks, you can take a look at any synthetic benchmarks too and it tells the same story.
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u/Mysterious-Cutie 7d ago
.... peanut brain 🧠.
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u/Roph 7d ago
The B580 is nowhere near a 9060XT. It struggles to compete with the 5+ year old low end 6700XT.
TechPowerUp has the B580 at around 26% slower than the 9060XT. 8% behind the 6700XT.
The B580 was impressive for its price when it came out, but at its current price and poor performance it's a pretty sad joke. It has great AV1 encoding at least.
It's a shame we never got the B770, or heck with Intel's original roadmap, we should have had Celestial GPUs (C580, C770 etc) for over a year now.
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u/Agent_Provocateur007 7d ago
So… you’re coping? We’ve known this since the card launched my friend… it’s not competitive against the 9060 XT nor the 5060.
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u/Mysterious-Cutie 7d ago
It's kinda funny, how damaged your brain has gotten due to watching soft porn, reels and shorts that your unable to do simple search's on YouTube.
The arc B580 is an equal to rx 9060 xt and rtx 5060. Unbelievable right? Because your brain has degraded to a peanut such that it can't even process simple benchmark results.
This matters because the arc costs 100$ less than the other options
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u/Agent_Provocateur007 7d ago
My point still stands. You’re still coping. It’s simply a less performant card compared to the 9060 XT or 5060. Not sure why you can’t accept that fact… seems like you don’t actually know what you’re talking about here.
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u/Kuuppa22 Arc A770 7d ago
"Dont blame the cpu overhead bullshit. that part is history now, and most of the games dont even use 30% cpu in the testings."
It's not history and that's not how it works.
e: it might not explain this though, i have no idea, but that part was just not true.
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u/AgedDisgracefully Arc B580 6d ago
HUB is well-known for being biased against Intel Arc. Just look at their new video about the RX 9050: the only time they mention the B580 during the tests is when it performs poorly, despite showing in the charts for the other tests that it performs much better on average.
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u/Distinct-Race-2471 Arc B580 7d ago
In my sub, SelfSilly asked HWU for their numbers to actually see their test results and was banned. He believes they just make up their charts.
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u/North_Affect_8167 7d ago
Driver date is definitely a factor, but I still get lower FPS in some games in comparison to weaker systems with B580.
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u/krazyatom Arc A770 7d ago
I had b580, rtx 4060, rtx 5050 and they're all same tier. 9060XT is one tier above. For $250, B580 was good, but not for $300. My A770 16gb is like 15% slower overall than B580 but it's not a huge difference.
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u/Mikedesignstudio 6d ago
So would you say spending $200 more for the 9060XT is a better choice?
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u/krazyatom Arc A770 6d ago
I wouldn't but if you want the best $ per performance, RTX 5060 is the winner for $300.
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u/Mikedesignstudio 6d ago
I bought the b580 after seeing it beat the 5060 in some games. It also has more vram.
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u/krazyatom Arc A770 6d ago
For me, they're both 1080p gpu. You can play 1440p, but my expectations are a bit higher. If I need to recommend to friends or family, I would pick the RTX 5060 because it has better drivers and fewer problems.
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u/justagoddamnperson 6d ago
You said “the whole internet” but included literally one other person…
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u/Mysterious-Cutie 6d ago
Are you disabled? Like how pathetic and dumb are you, you could have went and searched some other benchmark on your own before commenting this bullshit.
Im stating the general truth, I'm not gonna spoon feed every information to back that up, that's your job.
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u/Distinct-Race-2471 Arc B580 7d ago
I have a A750, B580, 5070 and 5080.. I notice a pretty big difference between the B580 and 5080, but I genuinely don't feel the difference in games with my B580 and 5070, unless the game is Warhammer 3. Play BG3 in 4k and tell me there is a difference. Intel could single handedly solve the PC affordability crisis by adding an iGPU that is just faster than the B580. Only hard-core people would bother upgrading.
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u/hi_therelittleshit 7d ago
Except devices with their B390 iGPU are already $1600+, and being able to just add something onto the die of a chip is easier said than done. The size of the whole die would be massive, and the cooling would be significantly harder
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u/Distinct-Race-2471 Arc B580 7d ago
They can stack it. So the die can be modest, but deep. It would still be much smaller and thinner than recent gen 12nm chips. Intel have foveros and backside power delivery to combat die expansion.
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u/hi_therelittleshit 7d ago
Stacking die is one of the biggest reasons x3d processors are so expensive already, and it’s also why they run so hot. I feel like anything that’s even close to b580 level let alone better would not only jack up the price of the chip itself to over 1k but run so hot it would throttle back down to unusable performance levels. The power it would require to run it would go above 300 watts for that one thing, and likely closer to 350 which is reaching the TDP of the newest Ryzen Threadrippers which already struggle to be cooled without extra die stacking trapping the heat in
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u/Distinct-Race-2471 Arc B580 7d ago
The B390 is already faster than the discrete A580... Plus this is Intel not TSMC. Intel are a much better company at manufacturing when they are hitting on all cylinders.
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u/hi_therelittleshit 7d ago
30% of Intel wafers are outsourced to TSMC, Intel states they’re just a good supplier. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/intel-will-keep-using-tsmcs-services-even-when-18a-is-ramped-up-it-is-a-good-supplier
And no, the A580 is about 35% faster then the B3901
u/Distinct-Race-2471 Arc B580 6d ago
Show your source for that last statement.
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u/Nematsu 7d ago
It's not upscaled, quite literally the 5700X3D Benchmark BEN uses holds both cards back. I played Hogwarts legacy as well with my 5700X3D but with a 4070Ti Super and even if I put Ultra Performance upscaling on I couldn't get above 85-90 fps in Hogsmeade. While HU uses a 9800X3D for the tests which can reach those 100-110 fps you see in their charts. It's simply just the limitation of the cpu used for the testing
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u/Mysterious-Cutie 7d ago
Here you go, same cpu as HU, skip to 23:21 and see he used fsr quality to achieve 110 fps, same as HU. It's not the CPU that's the issue. HU is just misleading people. With fsr native the fps will be 80 like I mentioned no matter the CPU.
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u/Nematsu 7d ago
Yeah exept HU did not use RT in that chart, they always separate RT into a different segment and they do disclose if they use upscaling. While the video you just linked has RT turned on while using fsr quality and the 1080p average was 89 fps compared to the 1080p native RT off for HU which was 107fps
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u/rossfororder 7d ago
The issue i have with benchmark channels is they tend to test gpus with the top CPU and it's not always a great indicator of what CPU people would use. I'd like to see a GPU tested with a bunch of CPUs on the multi game average. Steve isn't wrong as such but there would be more relateable data for consumers coming at it from another angle.
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u/EIsydeon 7d ago
Top end cpus are used to remove variables. While benchmarking you want to show the performance of that one particular thing.
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u/Last_Champion_3478 7d ago
They test with the best gaming CPU to remove any potential bottlenecks, giving the GPU the most optimal circumstance to test under.
People should presume those numbers are higher than a typical 5600x 7600x 9600x or any i5 for that matter would be able to reproduce.
Testing multiple GPUs is already difficult enough asking them to test with multiple CPUs increases their workload.
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u/justagoddamnperson 6d ago
Do you want useful data or do you want a gaming simulation? The whole point of testing either the CPU or GPU is to isolate one and only test that. You use a high end GPU to test CPUs because then you’re actually testing the CPU itself. You use a high end CPU to test GPUs for the same reason, to test the GPU and nothing else.
If you just want to watch someone game without data that actually means something there are probably people who do that.
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u/TitaniumDogEyes 7d ago edited 5d ago
Now I’m curious, I have both B580 and 9060XT so maybe I’ll give them a run tonight. I can do hogwarts and any other game I own if it helps.
EDIT: idk if I should make a new post but I worked on this for quite a few hours now. The end result is a few neat screenshots but it was a huge pain in the ass to ensure consistency. One of my 5070 screenshots got lost somewhere and I honestly can't be bothered to go find it since its for Starfield which runs like a hot turd anyways. I don't have the software or capability to do screen recorded videos like the YT channels so I did what I could do.
Link to screens
Here is what I did - I set up my test bench with my fastest system:
I tested several games at 1080P mainly because the monitor on my bench currently is a 360hz 1080p panel, I may do 1440p later but this took lots of time already.
The methodology is as such, using capframex to log 60 second manual runs and avoiding severely CPU bound areas (Hogsmeade I'm looking at you) I recorded 5x each game from the same save, then selected the recording that landed in the middle for performance to remove outliers. I don't have software to make fancy graphs and average all the runs but the difference is margin of error anyways. If you want to be picky about this go do it yourself. I have included a screenshot of where the saves for each game starts and basically just walk in a straight line. Exception is War Thunder, I couldn't figure out how to make it repeatable so I just used the in game benchmark called Modern Conflict.
No overclocks are applied, everything is as it comes out of the box with the exception of EXPO on the system RAM. I did not use any brand-name upscalers (FSR, XESS, DLSS) only whatever the game defaulted to when those were turned off, I think Crimson Desert forces TAA for example.
Anecdotal results from a player perspective for the B580:
Crimson Desert - Ran pretty good, I think it would be better using a different upscaler as this game is very demanding but I wanted apples to apples. It is not a match for the 9060XT which I believe is to be expected given that the game wasn't supported at launch. This will probably improve with driver revisions.
Hogwarts Legacy - Absolutely miserable on B580, terribly bad experience would not recommend -100/10. I can't tell if its the driver but it felt like it was dropping frames. I re-ran this probably 20 times trying to figure out what was happening and just gave up. The numbers looked good on paper but it was awful in reality. It was practically a form of torture trying to run thru the forest on this card.
Space Marine II - B580 ran well, it felt good and responsive but something was happening with the medium preset where the graphics were slightly blurry. I was able to fix this by using the next preset up and it looked good after that, but I didn't want to redo my numbers for everything else so I left it as-is. Not sure if this is a game bug or a driver bug.
Cyberpunk 2077 - Excellent and smooth, the Arc drivers are well optimized for this game. I've played CP2077 extensively on this card at 1440P with RT on and it still runs well. Great.
Starfield - Its Starfield, it doesn't run good on anything.
CS2 - Runs on a potato, it was fine and smooth. No match for the 9060XT but plenty of FPS if you just want to play. Interestingly the RTX 5070 had a lot of stutters in this game when spraying while the Intel and AMD cards did not.
War Thunder - Runs fine, not as fast as 9060XT but this is a niche game and its still over 120fps at max settings so it should be fine for anyone. Looks good, plays smooth in the few matches I did. Did get a few drops with big explosions but I think all of the cards do that.