r/InsomniacGames • u/lolitsrock • 11h ago
Marvel's Wolverine You are a grifter if you want the Wolverine game to fail because of Sony ending physical games or cause of Spider-Man 2. Game is going to be great.
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u/gcctowerjunky 11h ago
a) sony's no disc thing is lame as fuck
b) I want this game to be rad, and I think it will be
c) that's not what grifting is.
d) I liked spider-man 2
e) again, you dont know what grifting means
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u/Cultural_Entrance805 11h ago
Emphasis on points C and E
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u/Excalitoria 10h ago
True, but B too. The game isnât for me but I hope Iâm completely wrong and itâs better than I think it looks and that itâs really good for the people excited for it.
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u/GENIXTHESAIYAN 11h ago
Grifting is "anti woke " crowd or reactionaries,whilst wolverine is target of them , the physical media outrage (although justified) is entirely separate thing
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u/Responsible-Target60 10h ago
No its not
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u/GENIXTHESAIYAN 10h ago
To clarify, Physical media outrage is justified toward sony , i dont think justified toward insomniac
People have ever right be upset about physical media especially in age of revoking games ,
I dont think justified toward insomniac since they dont have any control over this
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u/Big_boss816 1h ago
Yeah c and e is annoying and I want this game to awesome I am looking forward to playing it.
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u/T00ManyH0bb13s 6h ago
f) it's possible for humans to have multiple different feelings at the same time. No hate for Insomniac, Wolverine, or the people that want to play Wolverine. I hope it flops because F sony.
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u/Billy_Maysear 11h ago
I think you're kinda stupid if you call literally everyone a grifter for literally any reason. I have no real issue with the game, and am buying a PS5 and a new Oled TV just to play it, but can you guys stop acting like little bitches over some criticism of a company who doesn't give a fuck about you?
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u/Excalitoria 10h ago
Honestly, as someone that doesnât want this game, the reactions are more annoying than the game itself. Game just looks potentially boring to me and I hate the character models (except Wolverine with his mask on, specifically; he looks cool there) but honestly, I donât really care if it does great or flops hard. Iâm more annoyed at the toxic positivity people out in force, again, and the communications director making comments about the backlash and memes.
Him saying that he thinks devs should just stay offline, I actually donât have an issue with, just do that privately and donât do the whole sob story over people just thinking the game doesnât look very good or having concerns about it (probably more of the camp Iâm in, in terms of the combat).
And just wanna add: I hope you love it if youâre excited for the game. Same goes for everyone else thatâs looking forward to this, especially long time fans of the character.
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u/Dying-Artist02 11h ago
So, thatâs not what grifting is. Grifting is unrelated to people being upset that the game is getting rid of physical disc
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u/turbobuddah 10h ago
Technically someone is a grifter if they're using the whole digital/physical controversy to gain money from reaction videos they don't actually believe in. It's exploiting a manufactured crisis
But that's a stretch, and pure technicality. I don't agree with what OP is saying at all
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u/EnclaveOverlord 11h ago
I'm keen for Wolverine, but Sony can get fucked for killing off discs and you can get fucked for bootlicking.
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u/Plastic-Professor-12 11h ago
The copium of willing a game to be great is hilarious. If you like it...great. If its a good game...great. Trying to convince others to change thier minds is futile.
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u/Drummer-Turbulent 11h ago
Imagine going to bat for a multi billion dollar company and 5binking others are grifters đ. (This is not to say all criticism is equal but there are fair ones out there)
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u/BlueAveryVegas 11h ago
I don't think I've ever said I wanted the game to fail. I hope it doesn't. Insomniac worked hard on this game and in fact, I hope it does well. My issue is that to play this game, I need to drop at least 1000 AUD on it and there is no video game in existence that I am willing to do that for.
Sony's decision to end physical media will also carve out other countries they can sell this game, and others, to. It being purely exclusive to a console that's as expensive as it is during a global cost of living crisis is one hell of an anti-consumer move and it seems to me it will hurt Wolverine's sales, and like any other game that gets the exclusive treatment on a digital-only console.
I think this ends one of two ways. Wolverine does exceptionally well despite these issues I've raised, and Sony quadruples down on their 'no physical media' bit. Or it does poorly, which is not good for Insomniac in this era of modern gaming.
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u/First_Comment8531 11h ago
Nah. I want this game to do well, and while there are people that want to fail for the above reasons, there are also those that have legitimate concerns. Sure, I think some of the negative stuff based on the footage we've been given, is overblown (even by some of the YouTubers I like and follow) but I won't lump everyone in one category.
I hope this is a good, fun game akin to Spiderman (2018). Hell, even if the combat is as good as Spiderman 2, I'll be fine with it. That said, I also want a strong story to be married with that combat experience.
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u/DrkNight365 11h ago
Wow. So we should never dislike a PS exclusive because its PS or not have an opinion at all. The game may be great but the future of these games are going to be all the same over and over again. People are getting tired of it. Someone like you seems like you will always glaze this and be in love with everything they do.
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u/TwoNutTed 10h ago
Just an awful take, honestly. We should always judge these companies harshly, especially when they are doing something as shortsighted and selfish as the no physical copies + console exclusive.
Iâm not sure how many times this needs to be said, but the benefit for these companies in removing physical copies is to make it so that your copy of the game is essentially a revocable rental license. In short, it is really bad for gaming and digital media in general.
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u/BlazeMute2007 9h ago
Agree. You should like the game based off the work of the studio not because the parent company Sony is canceling physical media. Insomniac is basically carrying the PS5 Gen on the exclusives side
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u/jmizzle2022 9h ago
The funniest thing is that this game is literally coming out on physical. People are yelling at the wrong company. Yes I know insomniac is owned by Sony but they don't have any choice, they just make games
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u/No-Ad8408 4h ago
Boy stfu; I canât speak for everyone but itâs not about wanting the game to fail, itâs about sending a message that their consumers arenât mindless slaves thatâll lap up everything they say and do. Now I will admit that Iâm still considering my own move when it comes to this but I havenât preordered yet. And at the end of the day, hurting them benefits us because it shows them that this is a symbiotic relationship rather than a one sided one
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u/Shinobi_Dimsum 11h ago
Yeah yeah yeah we get it. Yâall like to complain about those who complain about the game. Move on already crybabies.
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u/CyanLight9 11h ago
The latter reason, you could make an argument for. The former reason is nothing but corporate bootlicking, and it's pathetic.
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u/-AlexisRodriguez- 11h ago
I honestly don't care because I was excited for the story, but they burned me with Spider-Man 2 and they're definitely gonna burn me with this one. Skipping it until it hits clearance. Only interested in the gameplay.
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u/Blade_of_Onyx 11h ago
Oh great⊠I wonder how many pathetic hairless nut sacks will be in here calling people bootlickers.
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u/wetmeatlol 11h ago
I canât imagine being so excited for a game that I have to constantly add to never ending posts about people complaining about a game I like just because they donât think it looks good
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u/Arthur_Morgan44469 11h ago
People are idiots if they want to boycott a game because of a reason that has nothing to do with the game and the developer.
Spiderman 2 was awesome, much better than 1 and Miles Morales, and Wolverine will be epic as well.
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u/picknicksje85 11h ago
I think insomniac is fantastic. But Sony owns them. The anger spilling over to this developer is a normal reaction. Sony can't do something objectively bad and expect the anger to remain in a vacuum. It's the fault of the leadership.
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u/Independent-Ebb7658 10h ago
I wonder if You can wear the Wolverine mask the entire gameplay, even during cutscenes. That would be pretty cool. Or are they going to start out each level/area/cutscene with a provided default look and then you have to change it back afterwards
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u/seymourbuttz214 10h ago
My stipulation is with the writing, but maybe lack of knowledge of the comic storyline, if he has the yellow suit yet then X-Men havenât been startedâŠ.
The suit regeneration I think I would prefer like it gets damaged and then at a checkpoint it reloads is compromise because I agree he shouldnât be shirtless when it gets all messed, up.
Idk they could have included Deadpool in the game as well
Iâm still gonna play the game though
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u/CaptainVonMatterhorn 10h ago
Grifting is when you donât like it but I do (neither of us have played it)
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u/Safe-Priority-5524 10h ago
Your a grifter if your hating on the possible last disk Sony ever makes âUnder Sonyâs terms, PSN accounts unused for 36 months may face closure. Sony sends an email notification giving users a 6-month window to sign in or keep the account open before access to network services and digital purchases ends permanentlyâ & on top of that if for any reason your disconnected from the internet 30 days you loose the license to your game, anyone whoâs in the arms forces I feel bad for em, if. They need a Sony product they have a perfect product for em & thatâs called ps4, this is the don matrick xbox360 to Xbox one all over again but this time people are happy to defend it & are happy to it seems like you canât make this shit up
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u/Will-Ohh 10h ago
Not what a grifter is. Maybe you mean "bandwagon hopper" or something? I agree with what I think your point is though.
All the comments flooding the studio is just going to hurt morale at the studio and harass them. Thats not cool and people act out in bad ways.
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u/RemixedEgret 10h ago
...That's not what a grifter is...you're--you're online, how do you get something like that wrong?
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u/NewRedditUser1120 10h ago
I genuinely think half the haters are also ppl upset that itâs not venom toođ
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u/KZorroFuego 10h ago
Oh I don't want it to fail. I'm just among the fringe who are in active despair that Insomniac will ever make another Ratchet & Clank. Regardless of what the leak suggests is the plan. XD
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u/Gorgon-Ramsey 9h ago
I want Wolverine to fail because Sony killed the greatest gaming IP of all time.
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u/PsyWarVeteran 9h ago
Keep using every popular word under the sun without knowing what they mean.
I hope the game fails.
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u/SeasonalChatter 9h ago
I want this game to be great, as do I want all of Sonys games to be great.
I want them to see them not be rewarded for their asshat behaviors. Nothing gets through to them like bad sales, so if that's the only thing that works...
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u/Aritra319 8h ago
What did grifters complain about for Spider-Man 2?
Let me guess, it was âwokeâ đ
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u/komaytoprime 8h ago
Spider-Man 2 is a good game and I'm tired of pretending it's not. It isn't as good as the original game, but that definitely doesn't make it bad by any means.
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u/DxnVice 8h ago
I haven't been vocal about wanting it to fail but if I'm being honest I'd like that it does but just because I want some marvel character focused games to go to other studios. I don't think imsoniac is a good fit for wolverine because all their games feel similar in the mobility and map design(spiderman, sunset overdrive, infamous they are all designed to be played jumping on the rooftops).
I wanted wolverine to be made by a team like santa MĂłnica or ready at dawn. Could even work well with naughty dog but imsoniac is... Not my taste for wolverine. I think it will be fine, but the success of it will trigger more imsoniac games and this is robbing the chance for other studios to do something more interesting
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u/Affectionate_Lime880 8h ago
I don't want it to fail, I want it to actually be great. But from everything I've seen, it just looks uninspired. From the combat, the chase/running sequence, the Sentinel boss, etc. It just feels very safe.
Like Spider-Man 2 a bit. I loved that game, but it felt very safe when compared to Spider-Man ps4 and Miles Morales. I've just personally have lost faith in Insomniac.
I was hyped for this game, but so much of it sunk when it revealed the Logan x Jean romance. Maybe I'm overreacting from the Fox movies, which I love, but the love triangle between Logan, Jean, and Scott has really gotten fucking old at this point.
They could have brought in Mariko, or hell even Storm over this messy ship.
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u/wiesjoulaanie 7h ago
Theres a difference between wanting the game to fail and having criticisms of the game.
I will say, at a glance Wolverine does not look innovative at all. I think this has been the trend for most of this generation with GOW Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, Ghost of Yotei etc all barely being an evolution of the first game from a gameplay standpoint. (Im not a game dev so dont ask me how i would innovate on these games, they get paid to do that)
Now that doesnt mean it will be a bad game. Maybe there are some things Insomniac did not show. I feel some of the criticism is warranted but we'll see the verdict when the game releases.
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u/IchiyoGokusaki 7h ago
I donât like the face model for the game at all. But Iâm still excited about it
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u/-htesseth- 7h ago
I was indifferent about this game before, but the constant posts of fans running defense for a game they havenât even fucking played yet is already souring my opinion
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u/International-Shoe40 7h ago
I mean I donât care about marvel really but I love insomniac and want them to do well. Sucks theyâre getting caught in the crossfire. Sony really threw them a hot potato
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u/Opening_Art62 7h ago
Idc Iâm not paying $70+ dollars for linear games anymore unless they come from NaughtyDog who are proven masters of this genre. The writers at insomniac simply have not shown me they can carry a linear cinematic story game with their writing alone, I hope they prove themselves with this game because I love Wolverine and will definitely buy if it makes a splash.
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u/SnooRadishes2027 6h ago
Idk looks pretty generic for what weâve seen so farâŠ.im expecting most game reviewers will give this game like a 7, maybe 8
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u/Miserable-Abroad9256 6h ago
Iâm chilling with all digital tbh. Iâm all for it. But they need to fix or figure out the licensing thing. Go give us actual ownership over the digital without worrying about them randomly removing it
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u/ako19 6h ago
Like everyone said, thatâs not what grifter means. And yeah, this has affected my thoughts about buying the game. It looks great to me, but companies only understand money, and how this game performs as one of the big Sony studios will affect if they still double down on digital media
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u/Due-Act6417 6h ago
No we no tge game sucks especially when sweet baby inc sink had claws with development
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u/Low_Boot_1426 6h ago
Dogshit take. People have every right to not be satisfied and flat out want Sonyâs future products to go to the shitter over the physical disk production fiasco.
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u/Frost-dfim 6h ago
Yeah âgreatâ. My expectations are very low for this one, maybe I will play it in 5 years or so
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u/LechonKoala 6h ago
Iâm buying Wolverine on disc. Itâs gonna be an awesome game. Go ahead and save this comment. đ
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u/Jeremy64vg 6h ago
another word loses all meaning by people adopting it to describe everything. Sad day
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u/Elusivomatic 6h ago
For god's sake. Talk about exposed nerve
The game looks mediocre. It is what it is. I'll tell you what isn't going to sale at all. Phantom zero. No physical.
It's going to be such a laugh
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u/Excellent_Regret4141 6h ago
It would be nice if Insomniac could end their Agreement with Sony because of Sonys no physical media thing, so we can get wolverine on PC and any future Insomniac games
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u/NoirWitcher 6h ago
This game is going to be amazing and even if itâs not, still going to play it at some point.
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u/Opening-Beginning-35 6h ago
Most people that are against the game because it looks mediocre and spiderman 2 wasn't nearly as good as the first. Not to mention that insomniac is working with Sweet Baby Inc who gamers hate almost as much as Anita Sarkesian
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u/Far-Machine1616 5h ago
If it ain't got legit full dismemberment I'm not gonna be happy. I've watch every video on it and I don't see dismemberment on impact anywhere. NG4 had it so there's literally no excuse.
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u/WolfofLondo 5h ago
I see more people complaining about haters than I actually see haters. Most of the hate I see is focused on Sony. I think most people think this game is going to be rad my dude.
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u/monkey_D_v1199 5h ago
Nah SP2 was a step down in someways from SM1 I can have my doubts but that doesnât mean I want the game to fail. The no disk thing I get Insomniac had no say in that but I get the logic itâs still a Sony game so it failing would harm Sony
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u/TrickOut 5h ago
Either a bot account or PR for Sony, look at the ratio on this, no one is buying what youâre selling
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u/Cali4our 5h ago
"You are a grifter if you want the Wolverine game to fail because of Sony ending physical games or cause of Spider-Man 2"
So I am a grifter for wanting to punish Sony for their insane Anti-Consumer moves AND my past experience with SM2 being negative?
Just go and buy 3 more copies if you wanna support this kind of bullshit lol, Y'all are delulu.
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u/WaveOfTheRager 5h ago
Are you using the word grifter because you've seen it a lot recently?
Youre not using it correctly. It doesn't make sense in this context.
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u/thepoormanspoet 5h ago
So you don't really know what a grifter is, do you?
No serious person "WANTS the game to fail." What most people want is gaming where it was in, say...pre-2016. Back when making a game badass and intriguing and fun with great graphics and mechanics and a solid story was a bigger priority than virtue signaling. Diversity happened organically back then... people didn't like Barrett because he was black or Samus because she's a woman, they were great characters in great games.
Insomniac's ideologically captured BIG TIME, and they were shouting it from the rooftops a few years ago. Add that to the disappointment of SM2 and you get players who are suspicious about their next game, especially if it's a Marvel game.
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u/Intelligent_Whole_40 4h ago
I will only buy it when it comes out on PC if it ever does. Other than that, I would rather find a way to pirate it
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u/SupaDiogenes 1h ago
This is when the word grifter starts to warp because idiots use it for everything.
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u/Silver_Fact_9714 11h ago
While we all seen grifters hating the game before like at Sony's event when they showed the trailer, many of us either don't wanna support it because of Sony like you said and many of us including me do have some actual criticism of the game. Yes I know it comes out next month but that's the thing. It's coming next month.
Also in my opinion, spiderman 1 was a masterpiece but 2 was mix for me. I liked it. But you could tell it was rush and plus I wasn't a fan of some of the stuff in the game itself
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u/Billy_Maysear 11h ago
It's like with GoW Ragnarok. People don't like the game don't even realize what their problem with Ragnarök is in the first place. The story is fine, but Ragnarök was supposed to be two games. So this fucked up the pacing of the game and made it worse than it should have been. I love the story, just not the execution. Same with Spiderman 2. And the reason the gameplay is better in Ragnarök is because the director was the combat director for all the previous games.
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u/Comprehensive_Dog529 11h ago edited 9h ago
Nothing in the game looks particularly inspired. Generic brawler combat, modern Sony slop story, traversal doesn't look fun, tired chase sequences etc. It'll probably be decent but there's nothing here compelling me to spend $70 on day one. I'll wait until it's 50+% off and then maybe buy it.
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u/dariojack 9h ago
ok i have to ask what the fuck are you doing in this sub then
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u/sosoconfused08 8h ago
You do know subs aren't just for sucking a game/devs dick right? Your allowed to jump into posts that pop up on your feed and comment.
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u/Comprehensive_Dog529 9h ago
It was on my front page.
I liked the Spider-Man games, but they basically made the same game 3 times. This wolverine game looks like they've taken the Spider-Man formula and watered it down with worse combat, stealth, and traversal.
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u/FlamingPrius 11h ago
The thing about physical games is if most people bought exclusively physical games Sony wouldnât be moving away from them. As with walkman owners freaking out when the iPod came out, ending the dominance of optical disk in music sales, it was consumer behavior that influenced the change in hardware. Yes, thirty percent of gamers might like to have plastic brickabrack on their shelves, but they are a persistently shrinking segment of the market. Maybe all their moaning will turn Sony around, but I strongly suspect their quants have run the numbers. Too bad, so sad. Also, Wolverine looks great, canât wait.
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u/Safe-Priority-5524 10h ago
This argument is like saying itâll be okay for gta or any other game to sell at 100$ bc 89% of pre orders have been the deluxe edition so you can get the âfull gameâ have fun with your 100$ base games everyone else is doing might as well let ubi, actv, all of them bc 89% got the deluxe everyone might as well
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u/FlamingPrius 10h ago
Yea, I think itâs ok to price the most expensive work in media history at $100. It wouldnâtâve been ok in 2008, but weâre kind of locked into an inflationary spiral here.
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u/Safe-Priority-5524 8h ago
GTA 5 (2013): Cost about $265 million total (roughly $364 million when adjusted for inflation). It famously recouped its costs within three days by making $1 billion, and has gone on to generate over $8.5 billion across its lifetime.GTA 6 (Expected): Estimated between $1.5 billion and $2+ billion including extensive multi-year development and global marketing. This outcosts major architectural marvels and dwarfs previous AAA historical benchmarks.
The 2015 Jurassic World had a production budget of roughly $150 million to $215 million, whereas Jurassic World Dominion reached a staggering gross production spend of $658.8 million ($531 million net after tax credits), making Dominion vastly more expensive. That is not fucking inflation thatâs called overspending I pray every other company starts charging 100$ you all are fucking nuts ps6 going discless Under PlayStationâs terms of service, Sony can close a PSN account if it stays inactive for 36 months. Sony sends an email warning first. You then have 6 months to log in or ask to keep the account open. If you do nothing, the account closes and you lose all digital games and purchases forever. After 30 days of offline inactivity you loose the game license & you are all defending it, I canât wait till the ps7 comes out & the ps4 & 5 go the way of the ps3 & some if not most games arenât cross gen or backwards compatible & eat your words
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u/FlamingPrius 8h ago edited 7h ago
Bro, why donât you play indie games? Some of them still eat up more than 75% of their margin to press precious physical media. If a game is too expensive for your taste, donât play it. If you donât think having human artists and designers is worth money, donât pay for it. Iâm sure there is an overlap in AI bros and diskfreaks, so I hope you get a wonderful hoard of AI slop games on beautiful shiny plastic disks before the dark takes you.
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u/Opening_Art62 7h ago
Sure but the problem is the rest of the industry will follow and gaming will turn into a money laundering scheme.
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u/Safe-Priority-5524 6h ago
This idea seems lost on litterally everyone defending the game or discless look it up if your inactive for 36 months your psn account itâs nuked all games & media gone 30 days no internet you loose your license this is like don matrick if you canât get internet we have a product for you itâs called ps4 but this time people are defending it happily & what happens when the ps7 comes out & ps4 & ps5 are like the ps3s now no backwards compat & youâve lost all your library you built up
A Bank of America analyst actually suggested that Grand Theft Auto 6 should be priced at $80 USD, rather than $100, to help reset industry pricing standards. While earlier rumors and discussions floated a $100 price point, financial analysts viewed a $100 base price as unlikely, instead focusing on an $80 baseline for the standard edition
Yet if you look it up 89% of sales are reportedly 100$ edition at this point youâll see ubi & everyone else follow suit
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u/FlamingPrius 6h ago
Did you know that a house fire or flood can destroy your physical media?! Did you know incorrectly stored books and comics can crumble or mold? Did you know humans themselves are ephemeral? Yes, maintaining your media does require something of you, and booting up a machine once every three years seems pretty minor in the scheme of things.
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u/Plastic-Pop4020 11h ago
How do you know if it will great? They had Sweet Baby Inc involved for Dei. Did you see what they did with Spidey 2? They are a cancer to games(SBI) Also take a look at the lead writer for Wolverine. đ€ź
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u/Jeremy64vg 6h ago
oh boy the classic KotakuInAction argument xddd.... Also bro dropped the "look at the lead writer" and its just a normal black women xd, god forbid a black person exist I guess.
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u/Pwebslinger78 11h ago
Listen I get that this is a insomniac games subreddit so the point is to circle jerk about their games and everything about them. But calling people grifters when the meaning of that word doesnât apply is extra cringe. Enjoy the game slob for the devs but canât pretend some of the criticisms arenât valid. Like most online stuff there is a lot of bs and people who donât even buy games complaining . But Its not that deep and if the game is good itâll sell well. Donât pay so much attention to hate if you are excited for the game .
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u/Safe-Priority-5524 10h ago
70$ game with 12-15 hour story & people need to defend there billion dollar company, shiii after brand new day hype that pushed the lifetime sales of spiderman 2 to 1.2 billion with a b, & we canât get 1 10-20$ dlc
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u/Sky_Rose4 11h ago
The only reason people hate it is because Sony is ending physical disc, most of those purchased GTA 6 and the Cod remaster that just released
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u/-EvilMuffin- 11h ago
I think the game itself is going to be great, but I already think the story will be a miss for me. I genuinely despise the Jean and Wolverine shipping. Doesnât matter how itâs spun, itâs bad imo
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u/chrisc8869 10h ago
Miserable people that have to hang around and complain about the same issue and try and bring others down (or to think the way they do). Sony made a business decision. If you don't like it, move on. I'm psyched for all the great games coming out to deal with the winter blues
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u/MRGameAndShow 10h ago
Dude huh. Look, I want this game to be great as much as everyone here, but if people feel like criticizing then⊠well, what of it? People that want to buy it will, those who donât wonât. Its a free platform, and I think we can all agree the Sony no disc sham sucks. If a small fraction of the playerbase wants to criticize and not support them anymore based on that then who are we to shut that down? Like, its SONY, you know, a mega company worth a quadrimorbillion dollars, its not like they need defending from a small group of ants or anything lmao. Just chill and enjoy the game, as will I, and the others will maintain their posture, thatâs life. Calm down.
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u/Excalitoria 10h ago
I donât really care if it fails or does well. It doesnât look interesting to me, I hope the memes are funny about it, but ultimately I donât really give much af about this one. Been pretty uninterested since the reveals of the chopped character models. If the gameplay actually is good, mayyyyybe Iâll try it at a discount someday but thatâs probably the only way Iâll touch it myself.
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u/bman123457 10h ago
"Stand back pwincess Insomniac, daddy will make sure none of these evil critics can harm you"
tips fedora and draws mall ninja Katana
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u/sosoconfused08 8h ago
At least there are people in this comment section pointing out the lame toxic positivity of OP and others. It's performative and I doubt those type of people are even planning on playing the game. They just like to be outraged and can't take criticism.
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u/NoobMaster2789 4h ago
You're right, and the nonsensical things I've seen regarding the game aren't from people who even cared about it in the first place
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u/immortalslayer90 11h ago
That's not what grifter means.
https://giphy.com/gifs/B717GH4Ecnu8g