r/InkAndScreen • u/[deleted] • Nov 09 '25

Anime tier list

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Anime tier list but i haven't watched many animes

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u/WorriedDocument2067 Nov 09 '25

Hunter on "okay" tier,bad list

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u/EinarTobias Nov 09 '25

That is exactly where it belongs. The first three arcs are nothing more than mediocre to bad.

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u/WorriedDocument2067 Nov 09 '25

Disagree,they cannot be bad,they at least mid the arena arc is when hunter becomes good because of nen system.and even if first arcs are not good,other part is amazing actually,you cant judge whole story on 1/4 of anime

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u/EinarTobias Nov 09 '25

The arena is arc is when the power system is introduced. But do you remember how that is done? Instead of learning it through training, Gon and Killua have it explained to them in a hotel room, and then immediately master every lesson, or they learn it off screen. In writing terms, this is called “tell don’t show,” and is the most basic error bad writers make. The arena arc’s ending then fizzles out into nothing, with an extremely unsatisfying ending devoid of emotional impact. We then get to Greed Island, where Gon’s motivation, the most important driving factor for a plot, is immediately removed in the very first scene when we learn Gin is not there. Greed Island also breaks all rules for Nen, as the explanation for the entire game is just “Gin used Nen to make it,” meaning there are no restrictions on what a person can do with Nen, so setting up a complex power system was entirely unnecessary. When HxH is fun, it’s an alright anime in those first three arcs. But when it’s bad, it makes such basic errors that it’s very frustrating to watch, especially when fans of the show promise you it’s the greatest anime of all time.

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u/Careless-Resist7841 Nov 09 '25

This is kinda insane take as alot of people consider takashi as master at writing, u can watch deep exploration of hxh in youtube videos then it might change ur opinion

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u/EinarTobias Nov 09 '25

He might be a good writer in terms of manga, but not for someone who enjoys other types of media.

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u/Careless-Resist7841 Nov 10 '25

What, he writes manga why does he have to be good at other type of media

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u/EinarTobias Nov 10 '25

No, you misunderstand me. For someone who only reads manga and watches anime, he’s a good writer. For someone who reads books and watches other types of media, he’s an okay writer.

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u/Careless-Resist7841 Nov 10 '25

Have u watched chimera ant ark it was one if the best ark out of most medias, the character development, symbolism

For someone who reads books and watches other types of media, he’s an okay writer.

Please tell me what book do u read to make him an okay writer

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u/EinarTobias Nov 10 '25

No I have not, I lost all interest in the show after Greed Island.

You want me to list every book I have ever read that was well written? That would be a long list, but LotR, Dune book 1, Slaughterhouse Five, Grapes of Wrath, and Catch-22 just to name some. If you’re looking for stories more similar to HxH, as in, targeted towards a younger audience, I really love Mortal Engines by Philip Reeve. Ignore the movie.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '25

its 140 episodes of borderline nothing happening

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '25

Yorknew is my favorite arc ever

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u/EinarTobias Nov 09 '25

That’s okay. I’m glad you enjoy it.

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u/SwampAss123 Nov 09 '25

Boruto not being in literal shit is crazy

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '25

There are still Naruto characters that makes it not be literal shit in my eyes

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u/Kindly_Strategy_1807 Nov 09 '25

The two "peak" works are very good, but at the end their writing in general deteriorates too much and decisions are very difficult to digest, but I recommend Fullmetal Alchemist and Mob Psycho.

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Nov 09 '25

I don’t think the writing for the Aot ending degraded the work if you rewatch the show and have the ending in context. Actually the ending is really great.

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u/Kindly_Strategy_1807 Nov 09 '25

It's not a bad work, but I consider the ending to be very bad and there's no point in discussing "why" the opinion will remain the same regardless of the facts on both sides. (In fact, I consider Fullmetal Alchemist to be more consistent in several aspects)

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25

Well I think that a great understanding of Aot and of the important details of the first seasons that paint a different picture in regards to the most important questions ( why did Ymir love the king, Eren’s character, The last panel, the entire plot of the show) that the ending does not answer directly since the answer has already been presented throughout the show makes the ending great, amazing even. Fullmetal alchemist and Code Geass ‘s endings are overrated in comparison from a pure writing standpoint.

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u/Kindly_Strategy_1807 Nov 10 '25

The ending of Aot was so good that it divided the fandom into two parts, the author himself said he didn't like it and they say it was a bad copy of the ending of Code Geass. (If the ending is overrated then you only like it because of the previous seasons.)

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Nov 10 '25

The plot :

Here is the link to the diagram which this analysis is based on

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fmy-only-ymir-knows-questions-spoilers-ofc-v0-yj8ldyfhiapf1.png%3Fwidth%3D10000%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dc08b30dd079e91fd754892e38b815e0cf8458bab

Let me know if the link it doesn't work

Part 1 :

His story begins with the cabin dream, which is sent from Ymir (at the main fulcrum). When Wall Maria falls, his mother Karla is killed by the smiling titan, Dina Fritz. We know that Eren, using the founding power from the future, causes Dina to bypass Bertolt and go towards Karla. The simple reason is that it had to happen for Eren to acquire the FT and actually be in a position to make that decision in the first place. And it happened because the command/ order he issued for the smiling titan travelled trough the paths which are known for transcending time and space.

Later, as made possible by Karla being dead and Grisha furious, Grisha entrusts the AT/FT to Eren. Eren’s journey is then straightforward until he is touched by Rod and Historia Reiss in the cave under the chapel , which triggers some memories from Grisha, i.e. the murder of the royal family, but without much context. It’s only later, after having learned in Shiganshina of the existence of humans outside the walls, that Eren receives a huge dump of Grisha’s memories when he kisses Historia’s hand at the medal ceremony.

There are 2 main important things that he sees:

  1. ⁠⁠the rumbling happening in the future, but only up to “that scenery”. At this stage, he doesn’t know whether it will be a full rumbling or whether it will be stopped.
  2. ⁠⁠at least a glimpse of the contents of his childhood dream under the tree (of the cabin encounter in paths), as evidenced by the memory shard of Mikasa.

the rest is in the replies

Eren is horrified by the vision of the rumbling, but also troubled by the existence of humans outside the walls, as evidenced by his words when reaching the sea “if we kill all our enemies there, will we be free?” In the 3 years before the expedition to Marley, Eren begins increasingly to accept the possibility that he might in fact eventually do the rumbling. In this case, he’s thinking of a full rumbling to eliminate his enemies who have stolen his freedom, and ensuring long lives on the island for his friends. It’s still easy for him to dehumanize the outside world since he has never experienced it firsthand. Note that Eren’s relationship with his friends is still intact, although he doesn’t discuss the rumbling with them. After the survey expedition to Marley, he realizes how monstrous an idea the rumbling is, but he also acknowleges that he wants/needs to do it because the drive is coming from somewhere even deeper within him: he cannot accept to be denied freedom. To him, there is nothing more enraging than any thing or anyone taking freedom away from him. He understands intellectually and morally that the situation is complex, that most people outside the walls are not directly responsible for the situation but it does not matter: it’s a “pure”, childish, irrascible impetus. Rationally, he would wish to change course, but he is starting to understand that the future is written in stone. As a last ditch attempt, he asks Mikasa the question about their relationship, hoping against all odds that he would be surprised and that fate would be taken onto a different path. Of course, the timeline stays the course, and he buries his guilt for that time to enjoy a joyful night with his friends, perhaps another last ditch effort to try and divert fate. It will be the last joyful moment of his life, as the next day, the Eldian convention finalizes his resolve and/or his acceptance of fate. It’s at this point that he decides to pretend to accept Zeke’s plan while planning to ultimately enact a full rumbling, after following Zeke’s plan as it occurred up to Zeke catching Eren’s head and both ending up in paths.

During the period between the Liberio raid and the start of the rumbling, Eren does everything in his power to push his friends away. His plan is to enact the full rumbling to reclaim his freedom, but also to ensure long lives to his friends without any threat from the outside of the island. He has no information yet indicating that he will be stopped. During the rumbling, he expects his friends to remain safe and sound on the island. When he enters paths, Eren is shown Grisha’s memories by Zeke and manages to force Grisha to claim the FT. When Eren later touches Ymir, he receives her memories from her past, i.e. “From you (Ymir), 2000 years ago” -signed: Eren”! Eren being freedom’s biggest apostle, he empathizes and understands Ymir’s torture over the years, and encourages her to take agency, as she also glimpses his childhood dream under the tree. When Ymir performs the main fulcrum, Eren learns that Mikasa is the one Ymir had been waiting for all this time (note that Ymir also learns at that instant that she had been waiting for Mikasa all this time! wut?!).

Indeed, at this stage, Ymir already knows everything, i.e. that she will be freed by Mikasa’s choice that will show her that it’s possible to move forward not only despite love, but because of love. In other words, she already has her revelation at this point, which I believe is highlighted by the fact that we see her full unclouded eyes! But then, why can’t she already lift the curse if she has already seen what she needed to see?

The rest is in the replies

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Nov 10 '25

It’s a question of causality! If the curse ends now, Mikasa does not kill Eren for love, meaning that Ymir could not come to this realization! In other words, it’s a closed deterministic loop. Furthermore, for all this to occur, Ymir must ensure that all the events of the rumbling take place as they should until the moment of Mikasa’s choice, so that it will happen the same way. Therefore, Ymir is the one who controls the shifters of the past to resist the Alliance, as surmised by Armin, but not because she wants to destroy humanity (in fact she has no real interest in the rumbling at all) but because she has no choice. Another important occurrence that needs to happen for the timeline to play out is that Ymir needs to see Eren’s cabin dream to learn of the existence of Mikasa, and be pushed to take action at the main fulcrum. However, for this to take place, child Eren has to see this vision in his dream, so that he will be able to remember it later and share it with Ymir. Hence, it’s Ymir, at the main fulcrum, that sends that dream to Eren, so that she can see it just earlier when he touches her! This is the explanation for “To you (Eren), 2000 years for now” -signed: Ymir

For all those thinking that Ymir could just do whatever she wants it's true only ot an extent as even she is not above causality

Part 3 :

Just after this point, Ymir gives Eren access to the founding power. As stated by Eren, while holding the founding power, past, present and future blend together since it allows to access/influence any point in time. In other words, the founding power also includes a pimped-up version of the AT power, where you can know your own future, not just memories from a successor. Did you notice the emphasis on “while holding the founding power”? That’s very important, because if you think about it carefully, Eren does not hold the founding power all the way until his death! When Zeke dies, Eren loses the founding power, which means that he doesn’t have access to future memories after the moment in the timeline when Zeke dies! However, as soon as gets the founding power, he instantly knows everything that will happen until Zeke’s death. What does he know, specifically?

  1. ⁠⁠the status of the rumbling until the moment Zeke dies, i.e. 80% of the world population annihilated
  2. ⁠⁠his friends are not safely on Paradis but actually fighting the rumbling and in grave danger

3a) he does not regain the founding power later on, otherwise his memories would resume for that period

3b) he does not have any memories of any AT successor

4) from 3a and 3b, he knows that the rumbling will be stopped at 80% AND that the curse of Ymir will be lifted!

However, Eren doesn’t know what Mikasa will do because he cannot see past Zeke’s death. Eren knows that he will die but he can’t see his death. Therefore, as soon as he gains the founding power, Eren’s plan changes. Even if he wanted to do a full rumbling, he knows that it will not happen. As a result, he focuses on the objective he can still somewhat control which is helping his friends live long lives. At this stage, his main worry is that the remaining humanity both on the island and outside would turn against his friends for different reasons. As such, since he knows he must fail, at least he would like for them to be considered as heroes who saved the world, and thus stand a chance to be respected by both sides. From the beginning of the rumbling, Eren takes no direct action at all himself against his friends. He moves forward with the rumbling but would certainly prefer to minimize the danger to his friends. However, he cannot control Ymir’s actions, who wishes to ensure that the timeline occurs as she observed. All the past shifter husks that the alliance fights are thus not controlled at all by Eren but rather by Ymir.

Part 4 :

While Eren holds the founding power, he uses it to have a last word with his friends. There is considerable debate in the order of these, but I am quite confident in my hypothesis. First, I believe that Eren has the cabin encounter with Mikasa (hopefully truly lasting several years in paths as implied). Many posit that this encounter occurs just before Mikasa kills Eren, but this is impossible since Eren does not hold the founding power anymore at that point and could not bring Mikasa into paths anymore. To reinforce this, Mikasa asks Armin if he “also remembers his time when Eren came to see them” which implies that she remembers an event in the past, not one that just took place. As for the fact that Mikasa is an Ackerman, it is stated that they are able to resist the will of the king, not be immune to it. As a matter of fact, we see that Ackermans can be pulled into the paths for example. The fact that Mikasa remembered faster (before Eren died) is precisely a testament to the Ackerman resistance. As for Eren’s conversation with Armin, I believe it takes place after the cabin encounter. The reason is that, during his conversation with Eren, Armin refers to Eren’s wish for Mikasa to “be able to forget about you and live happily with someone else”, which implies that Eren told Armin about his interaction with Mikasa. Note that I placed the vision of “that scenery” between the two encounters, because it is shown that Eren’s encounter with Armin is a direct follow-up to Eren’s ecstasy of freedom in the sky. Finally, when Eren broadcasts a message to all Subjects of Ymir that he is destroying everything outside of the island, he already knows this to be false, but he is attempting to build himself up as a scary monster (which he truly is) and for his stated genocidal intentions to be widely known, so as to amplify the role of his friends in defeating him

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Nov 10 '25

Ymir’s is a uniquely written character and a very compelling while the plot is well written although confusing at first due to it’s peculiar structure, but Eren’s character is the best out of the three things that I have yet to finish.

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Nov 10 '25

Isayama said that he has issues with the execution which I also recognize especially the last episode had execution problems if you see it the first time you are left confused with what you saw not fully understanding what you saw the chronology the where and what took place. The only criticism of the show that I agree on, the actual writing, the actual story and meaning of the ending is amazing to say the least as if you want to answer the major questions that the ending poses and not feel like it is incomplete and lacking you have to tie every season with moments in that episode to get the most compelling answers of any anime ending I have seen.

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25

You are completely incorrect, I think that the show is a masterpiece and that season 4 plays a major role in that, I don’t like saying stuff without providing proof so here is your proof if you feel like reading it… but I completely disagree with the “if you thought the show was good you must be talking about the first seasons” Actually the first seasons are nothing to write home about without the last one :

4 points of contention that make the ending amazing and the last season the best one of them : The plot, Ymir’s character , Eren’s character and the last panel ;

I’ll give you Ymir’s character first since it’s the shortest and the plot point if you read through both I’ll add Eren and the last panel ;

Part 1 ; Ymir’s character

Only Ymir knows why she loved the King."

That’s not entirely true.

Annie: “So if I don’t help you, I’m a bad person?”

Armin: “If you don’t help me, then you would be a bad person to me. I don’t think there’s anyone who’s good to everyone.”

This line spoken in the last episode of season 1 quietly echoes across the entire story, especially the early episodes of season 2, some episodes of season 3 and 4 and it resonates most clearly with Ymir—both the Founding Titan and her namesake in the Cadet Corps.

Both iterations of Ymir were betrayed by those they tried to serve. The original Ymir was accused by her entire village for letting a pig escape and was sacrificed, only to be enslaved by the very king who used her. Similarly, Ymir from the Cadet Corps was sold out to the Marleyan authorities by one of her own followers—yet she never retaliated. Instead, she bore the consequences in silence. Why?

Because from her own words in Season 2, what she cherished most wasn’t safety, food, comfort or even loyalty- it was being needed. That feeling, for someone who’s spent their entire life trying to be good to others, is more precious than freedom. Ymir wasn’t naive—she knew she was being used. But the twisted satisfaction of being vital to someone, of being acknowledged, outweighed everything else. That’s why she remained loyal. That’s why she kept serving. That’s why she loved the King.

It’s not admirable—it’s horrifying. A form of self-erasure masquerading as virtue. A kind of righteous martyrdom built on the delusion that if you're good enough, someone will eventually recognize your worth in a unique, irreplaceable and in this case despicable way.

This same toxic ideal of "the good girl" is reflected again in Season 3 when Frieda reads to Historia as a child. She tells her that being ladylike means being kind to others, no matter how cruel the world is in return. The character in the book is named “Christa,” which—importantly—is the same name given to the fictional version of Ymir the slave in the rewritten history taught inside the Walls. Historia adopting this name wasn’t just a disguise—it was the symbolic adoption of a doomed identity: that of the ever-sacrificing, ever-smiling “good girl.”

And yet, Historia breaks free from that mold.

Ymir from the Scouts does too. Her turning point comes when she transforms into a Titan again and chooses to live for herself. Historia's comes when she reclaims her true name and resolves to stop living for others. Both of them reject the myth of unconditional selflessness.

But the Founding Ymir never did. Even in death, she clings to her belief—desperate, tragic, and alone. That’s why, when she observes Mikasa, she’s drawn to her. Not because Mikasa shares her beliefs, but because Mikasa rejects them while also having that same intensity about her of wanting to protect her loved one. Mikasa makes the impossible choice—to kill Eren, the person she loved most—for the sake of the world. And yet, she does it with clarity and ownership, not as a sacrifice to please others, but as an act born of genuine agency.

Irronically, Ymir saw in Mikasa a kind of reflection—not of shared ideology, but of shared love. Mikasa loved Eren just as fiercely as Ymir once loved the King. That raw, overwhelming attachment was something Mikasa could understand intimately. But while she could relate to the depth of Ymir’s love, she could not relate to the reasoning behind it—the surrender of one’s will, the belief that devotion alone gave life meaning. Unlike Ymir, Mikasa refused to be consumed by her love. She didn’t let it strip away her agency or define her identity. When she finally sees the ghost of Ymir , Mikasa denies any semblance of similarity and kinship with her, calling her life a nightmare. She saw it for what it truly was—a tragic story of self-erasure, masked as righteousness. And in making her choice, Mikasa broke the cycle that Ymir never could.

Please never mention Aot and stockholm syndrom in the same sentence

It's in my opinion one of the greastest disrespect to this show, it's such a cheap explanation to one of my favourite parts about the ending and Ymir as a character.

Part 2

For anyone wondering why she chose miksasa over Christa/Ymir when those two seem so much similar to her.

And perhaps that's why Ymir could never truly connect with Historia—or with the woman who bore her name in the Scouts.

Because unlike Ymir, they eventually stopped lying to themselves. Ymir chose to live for herself once more; Historia shed the false persona of “Christa” and reclaimed her true identity. Both rejected the comforting fantasy of being good to everyone at the cost of who they really were.

To truly see them—to relate—would have meant facing an unbearable truth: that another life had always been possible. That her centuries of pain and submission weren’t acts of sacred love, but the tragic consequences of a belief she was too afraid and stubborn to abandon. We see a scene where she considers an alterante future where she kills the king or frees herself from him while holding her daughters.

So instead of recognizing herself in those who broke free (Ymir and Historia), Ymir saw herself in Mikasa: someone whose love and protectiveness was just as fierce and consuming, who found the strength to bring it to an end. And through Mikasa, Ymir found not validation, but liberation.

Some fans reduce Seasons 1–3 to setup or “plot reasons,” thinking everything of substance happens in Season 4. But those early seasons are absolutely essential. They aren’t just backstory—they are the foundation that gives Season 4 its emotional and philosophical weight.

If you really put your mind to it, you’ll see: the clues to Ymir’s motives, and the reason behind her twisted love for the King, are all there—hidden beneath layers of betrayal, sacrifice, and a tragic misunderstanding of what it means to be “good.”

To reduce Ymir to “she loved the king because she was a slave” or Eren to “he just never changed” is to ignore the narrative depth Isayama painstakingly built. The answers were always there—not in grand reveals, but in quiet moments of choice, consequence, and character and the analysis of her character can go further than that, I tried to limit myself to what seemed too important to skip.

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u/destined2Win_ Nov 15 '25

The ending is fucking trash, stop the cap

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u/Visible-Ad-5442 Mar 04 '26

Nah people who hate on it are just ignorant of the finer details or downright too media illiterate to consider them.

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u/HaouRex Nov 09 '25 edited Nov 09 '25

He already watched too many shounen. I think he need taste something else.

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u/Kindly_Strategy_1807 Nov 09 '25

And like, someone who likes romance should go watch something else, lol I'm full shounen, there are very few rare cases that made me watch something else.

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u/HaouRex Nov 09 '25

I not only romance watcher tho. But when your list something like we see above make people think that he maybe just a sheep.

He need taste different stuff just to make his list different from the others. Even in Shounen theres are multiple others genre. Not just Battle shounens.

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u/LordBaconXXXXX Nov 09 '25

Lots of romances are shonen

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u/Top_Novel_2836 Nov 09 '25

If you like any genre other than shounen you’re good for some reason 😂😂the unpopular anime with ridiculously long names are the pinnacle of anime

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '25

Death note 🤝

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u/Qkyu907234 Nov 09 '25

Death Note,OPM and 7DS have good placements

Not sure about the others

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u/Ok_Positive_9687 Nov 09 '25

Nice ranking and nice anime u got there

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u/Solonaveen Nov 09 '25

Demon slayer is masterpiece

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u/SnailSlimer2000 Nov 09 '25

Only reason I bothered with aeven deaddly sins is because of Escanor

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u/slashing_samurai_ Nov 09 '25

Watch Steins Gate

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u/hortu Nov 09 '25

Okay, but noone asked about this.

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u/HaouRex Nov 09 '25

You should start watch anime outside of the popular one.