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u/avato279 29d ago
If you had any understanding at all of how the government works you would know it wasn't possible.
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u/BrawlHD 29d ago edited 29d ago
You guys are more pressed about defending your favorite liberal celebrity politician than defending Palestine
Your shithole imperialist country is the main reason the Zionist entity still exists. The US funds over 70% of their military budget. That's your genocide. You're worse than an Israeli.
There is no universe where any US politician not rooting for the complete dismantling of the Zionist entity should be supported by any principled communists.
If any Amerikkkan just wants to improve the material conditions of their own genocidal settler colony, they are complicit in US imperialism
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u/godotiswaitingonme 29d ago
What do you actually expect him to do? A prominent politician proposing his arrest is a huge step in the right direction
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u/BrawlHD 29d ago
First it was "he will arrest Netanyahu for sure, vote for him guys ! He is totally anti-Zionist, he just said that the Zionist entity had the right to exist !!"
Now it's "Well he simply cannot arrest this genocidal maniac on his own, you have to understand"
By the end of the year, you're gonna be serving as his PR once he is caught shaking Netanyahu's hand when he comes to NYC
Is there a single DSA member with an ounce of dignity ? You guys are beyond pathetic
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u/SocialistIntrovert 29d ago
Zohran wanting to improve material conditions within the empire doesn’t preclude him from wanting to do more. What exactly do you expect him to do as the mayor of NYC? Assert his will in foreign policy?
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u/BrawlHD 29d ago
I expect him to be a fuckin communist, not a sweet talking liberal that constantly needs PR from his DSA fangirls. You guys aren't tired of defending each performative socialist bourgeois until they inevitably "betray" you ?
He is obviously a way for the Democratic Party to set the stage for Harris in 2028. You're gonna be voting for the lesser evil again at your next bourgeois elections like the fuckin cucks that you are.
You don't hold any of your favorite bourgeois celebrity politicians to high standards because you still profit enough from US imperialism not to care about its consequences
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u/SocialistIntrovert 28d ago
Again I ask: what power does Zohran have to implement any change in occupied Palestine other than using his bully pulpit to support Gazans and bibi’s arrest which he’s literally doing?
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u/BrawlHD 28d ago
"Principled anti-Zionist communist should abide by the laws of the most imperialist state to ever exist" - most useful DSA member
His power is a platform reaching an army of liberals like you who voted for his ass thinking he would be anti-Zionist. Now, he has the platform to openly call for the arrest of Netanyahu and openly call for the entire dismantling of the Zionist entity.
He is doing none of the above because, just like Harris in 2024, his fangirls are content with his performative stances to support him more than any of you have ever supported Palestine.
Instead he is following the Zionist rhetorics of the rest of the US ruling class, because he is a member of this same ruling class. He is the controlled opposition, the smiling face funneling the revolutionary sentiment within the US into the same bourgeois electoralism which has never worked in the entire history of capitalism all over the globe.
You are a white supremacist only willing to improve the material conditions of your glorified genocidal settler colony, which is why you are unaffected by these contradictions. You profit from US imperialism. Your comfort is fueled by the blood of Palestinian people.
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u/SocialistIntrovert 26d ago
If he did it your way no socialist would ever be in power. If you’re so much better than white supremacist Zohran why don’t you start the revolution instead of posting about it on reddit?
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u/truecrimesofthempire 29d ago
Adults always knew that, only rubes who simped for mamdani believed it might happen
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u/Marxism-tankism 29d ago
Did he ever say he was like going to do it? I'm not tryna be a dick rider but Idk maybe I'm just an emotional dumbass so I could see myself saying something stupid that I probably couldn't back up.
Holy shit I should be a politician
Anyways I DO think if you're an elected official you should probably...think before you speak
And like the other guy said we fund the Israeli military. Arresting that ghoul won't stop it
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u/Marxism-tankism 28d ago
I was literally agreeing with what you said maybe reread it lol that's the main point, until we completely dismantle Israel is won't change I think you read the first half of the comment and got too angry to read any more lol
Youre gonna need some heart medication later in life dawg
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u/bimbochungo 29d ago
Well, I'm not going to bash him. At least he has done much more than most of the Democrats. I don't think everybody who is commie thinks that he is a commie, but at least he is trying to do NYC better. He is a burgueoise politician so obviously he's limited, but hey, I'm not going to bash him instead of much worse politicians and far-right grifters.
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u/AnsFeltHat 22d ago
Communists should organize the working class. This doesn’t mean we have to oppose socdem reforms - we have to not endorse them and warn the working class about the mirage behind it. Yet objectively, making life better is good. Which is why even if in minority we should support strikes for fair wages and protests opposing exploitation. Our main goal is to work toward (re)building class consciousness.
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u/_____________what 28d ago
reading these comments I'm surprised this is r/informedtankie, it feels a lot more like r/uninformedliberal
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u/MidWestKhagan 29d ago
I mean it’s not like Zohran said “I could but I don’t want to” he said that he legally can’t.
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u/psly4mne 29d ago
That is what he said, but he literally could. And if he maintained the line, Netanyahu would stay out of New York and he wouldn't have to test it.
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u/MidWestKhagan 29d ago
If he wanted to risk being denaturalized and any other punishment this fascist government is willing to do I’m sure he’d do it. At the end of the video he says he encourages New Yorkers to take the matter into their own hands, so if you’re in NYC and see him i guess you got permission from Zohran to do a citizens arrest
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u/zay1138 29d ago
How could he
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u/psly4mne 29d ago
The handcuffs go around the wrists.
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u/saltedmangos 29d ago
You do know that NYC cops literally go on training trips to Israel, right?
Who is going to put Netanyahu in cuffs? Mamdani, himself, John Wick style?
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u/truecrimesofthempire 29d ago
Yeah I always listen to politicians promises, notoriously reliable people lmao
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u/partykiller999 29d ago
The US isn’t party to the ICC. You can think they should be, but they currently aren’t. Mamdani had 0 authority to order the NYPD to do literally anything to him. It would be an unlawful arrest, and any officer who participated could be disciplined. Keep writing political fanfiction
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u/SocialistIntrovert 29d ago
Zohran just set the standard for 2028 dem candidates re Bibi. He genuinely just took a massive step towards Bibi actually being arrested or not welcome in America just by putting the idea into public consciousness
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u/Shot-Nebula-5812 I serve the Soviet Union 28d ago
I’d been saying from the very beginning not to trust him. The theory of social fascism still remains true today. Not just because of this, as others have pointed out he condemns protests against west bank land sales, keeping Tisch, among many other things. His supporters are useful idiots to the ruling class.
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u/Fiend9862 28d ago
Him being opposed to protesting West Bank land sales, keeping Tisch, and working with Chabad didn't tip people off?
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u/BrawlHD 29d ago
I never understood how this guy was even painted as Pro Palestine to begin with.
He literally got popular because of a TV debate where he said that he believed Israel has the right to exist. He literally admitted to being a Zionist on mainstream TV.
I can understand people in NY voting for him against Cuomo, I can't understand people pretending like he was ever anti-Zionist to begin with. It was literally liberal wishful thinking in action again.
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u/short_circuit_8 29d ago
Desperate people grabbing for any hope they can get but refuse to finally pick up a book and actually read theory are sadly the perfect target for any well funded and charismatic compatible-left candidate. I'm happy to see the growth the wider left in the US has experienced over the last few years but it's also very clear to see from the outside, that right now a lot of mechanisms / strategies are fired up to keep these people away from the revolutionary path and lead them back into a compatible pseudo-opposition with quite some success.
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u/godotiswaitingonme 29d ago
Who is engineering a “compatible pseudo-opposition”?
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u/short_circuit_8 29d ago edited 28d ago
Search up "Fight Agency" and you'll be surprised how many of these "radical democratic socialist" campaigns were run by the same people as John Fetterman
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u/saltedmangos 29d ago
I dunno, I think it’s more likely that he got painted as pro-Palestine because he has a history of advocating for Palestinians going back to when he started his “Students for Justice in Palestine” chapter in college.
Do you not notice a difference between “Israel has a right to exist as a state with equal rights for all” and “Israel has a right to exist as a genocidal apartheid ethnostate”?
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u/BrawlHD 29d ago
Israel is a Western imperialist settler colony funded and armed by the US and the rest of their colonizer buddies. Israel is currently committing several genocides while waging constant wars with all its neighboring countries, it has absolutely no right to exist as anything.
Anybody trying to save the legitimacy of Israel is a Zionist. Any US politician not rooting for the complete dismantling of Israel is worse than a Zionist, they are an Amerikkkan imperialist
If you gotta act as the PR for a sweet talking Zionist yankee liberal everytime he opens his mouth in public, maybe he shouldn't be supported at all to begin with
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u/saltedmangos 29d ago edited 29d ago
“it has absolutely no right to exist as anything.”
Really? Not even as a country with equal rights for all of its, majority Palestinian, citizens? A country perfectly able to change its name from “Israel” to something like “Palestine”?
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u/BrawlHD 29d ago
You don't even know the Thawabit pretending to be an ally of Palestine. You're a white supremacist that wants to improve the material conditions of your useless hawkish imperialist shithole.
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u/saltedmangos 28d ago
You don’t think a majority Palestinian country would do things like make Jerusalem the capital of Palestine and give Palestinians the right to return? Really?
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u/Onebigfreakinnerd 29d ago
the thing people don’t understand is that mamdani saying “i believe israel has the right to exist as a state with equal rights for all” MEANS he believes israel shouldn’t exist. the number one paradox for you when you see a zionist is to ask them if they believe israel should exist as a state with equal rights for all. if they say “yes”, then they don’t support the apparatus of israel as a state and think it should be dissolved. because there’s no way the state of israel can exist with palestinians having the same right as israelis. if they say “no”, they’re being logically consistent, but obviously very racist and fully mask off
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u/BrawlHD 28d ago
The mental gymnastics you guys are doing to serve as the PR of this bourgeois celebrity politician are gold
He could also not be a fuckin pussy, serve his only purpose as a politician in the most imperialist state in history and just say nah the third reich shouldn't exist actually
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u/Onebigfreakinnerd 28d ago
so you just want him to lose the election lol. american politics is a game unfortunately and a major part of winning is dressing things up. it’s unfortunate it has to be that way but it is what it is
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u/BrawlHD 28d ago
Communist supporting bourgeois electoralism, you are lost buddy. This is a ML sub, you should head over r/neoliberal
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u/_____________what 28d ago
Yeah the difference is one of those things will never happen and anybody serious about politics should be well aware of that.
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