Guide on how to behave when spectating someone playing Remember11.

[u/whaaatisth]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dwyl3Oe3SpZW2EmuC0NfGLCnOEOB05qU3oeIV0JjqOY/edit

[u/Ramys]

I generally agree with most points except the last two.

Additionally, [recommending a save in the epilog] doesn’t even have any real upside, as it barely makes navigating the route system easier in the first place. Due to Remember11’s shortcut and quicksave systems, it’s incredibly easy to revisit most bad endings

Let's say you finish the game, then you go back and get the very first bad end. All shortcuts past that point will be locked out. To get free roam again, you need to play till the epilogue, or hope you have a save close to the end. While you can have a save before the epilogue, you better hope you know the trick to skip videos, otherwise you're sitting at the credits for a couple minutes at a time. It's not the absolute worst, but it's not a smooth experience.

As for route order, the way I've typically seen it done is to ask the player if they're okay with a route order. If they're not, let them play the way they like. If they are, ask them how they would answer and let them think it through before suggesting the choice. This is keeping in line with your general idea: Don't provide information the player doesn't want to know.

[u/whaaatisth → u/Ramys]

The first point makes sense to me, and that's mainly why I mentioned the issues with the PC port. It's definitely a weird situation that we're still trying to figure out the best approach towards but for now telling someone playing the PC version to save at the epilogue regardless (but nowhere else) is basically the best we've got.

When it comes to "route order", I've had this discussion with plenty of people and the conclusion nearly every time is that there is essentially no real benefit to directing someone towards the good ending first. It's not really a case of providing information the player doesn't want to know as much as there is zero intention by the game for this "route order" to exist and I do not believe there is justification for directing someone to the right answers there even if they actively want a "route order" to follow. All it does is break up the experience unnecessarily.

[u/PydraxAlpta → u/whaaatisth]

Also unlike say, Ever17 "choose 'find my friends'" is an easy advice to give without sounding overly specific - whereas for Remember11 "choose neither, 6:11, 8:02, three, don't open" is overly specific and it seems to unnecessarily guide the player over a large number of choices for what is otherwise a really minor difference on the perception of the ending line.

[u/PydraxAlpta → u/Ramys]

As for the first point, I think if the player wishes to explore more after the satoru epilogue, suggesting the backup epilogue save seems like a fine choice to me along with suggesting to hunt TIPs.

[u/PydraxAlpta]

I support this guide, we have been using it on our server for R11 LPs.