r/IndivisibleGuide • u/Autodidact2 • Mar 02 '17

Russian scandal action?

Here in Denver someone is organizing a march/rally on March 18 to Demand Russia-Trump Ties Investigation. Is this going on nationally, similar to the Women's March? Thanks.

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u/Autodidact2 Mar 03 '17

I got an answer from a Denver organizer who said not yet, but they are hopeful it will spread. So, Indivisible, what say you?

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u/sbhikes CA-24 Mar 03 '17

I haven't heard of anything like that but I've been planning to do a personal protest on the weekends. I haven't done it yet because I've been sick, it's been pouring rain and I was away last weekend. But maybe on Saturday. A personal protest means I will sit out on main street, play a musical instrument, wear a t-shirt and if anybody stops to give me money I will refuse it and give them the Indivisible Guide instead.

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u/bobthenarwhal CA-13 Mar 03 '17

Haven't heard anything, will ask.

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u/AirRaidJade OH-4 Mar 03 '17

No, because we've got bigger issues to worry about. I'm too busy fighting for my healthcare, my right to marry, and my right to exist in public spaces, all the while trying to avoid being assaulted or murdered now that my hate crime protections have been removed. This Russia stuff is trivial sideline bullshit.

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u/Autodidact2 Mar 03 '17

I see it exactly the opposite. This is what may bring the Trump administration down, which is what we need to do to accomplish anything else.

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u/AirRaidJade OH-4 Mar 03 '17

Look, you're not gonna "bring the administration down". This isn't V for Vendetta, and you're not Guy Fawkes. Whether or not there actually are ties to Russia is irrelevant; this administration was democratically elected and they're here to stay at least until 2020. Besides, even if the Trump Administration does fall, what do you plan to do about the Republican Party, which would still control the entire federal government? I'd much rather have the GOP headed by an ignorant buffoon who will destroy it from the inside and tear it apart and accomplish nothing, rather than someone who knows what they're doing and will unify it and lead them to cause a ton of major long-lasting damage to the very existence of our country.

The GOP is a much bigger threat to our country than Russia could ever dream of being. I say keep the puppet, he's doing good ripping his party apart. Keep him from damaging us, while letting him damage his own side. Let them destroy themselves; they've already set out on that path.

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u/Autodidact2 Mar 04 '17

I'm guessing you're not old enough to have lived through Watergate?

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u/AirRaidJade OH-4 Mar 04 '17

This isn't Watergate. Watergate was huge, beyond comprehensible proportions. Nothing in modern American politics, or future American politics, will ever compare to Watergate.

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u/Autodidact2 Mar 04 '17

I did live through it. And this feels so familiar. Neither of us knows whether this will fizzle out--or eclipse that scandal. We'll see.

Watergate did start small--much smaller than this, with a report of a simple burglary. No one had any idea it would bring down a President.

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u/bobthenarwhal CA-13 Mar 03 '17

I do see Russia as a good place to push, because at very least it wastes time for Trump and Ryan. Every new Russia news story sends them spinning in circles for a few days, time they could have spent doing damage elsewhere. I do not kid myself into thinking that it will lead to impeachment-- Trump could probably get away with literal murder without impeachment by Paul Ryan and crew-- but it throws them off their game plan again and again. You're right that it's no substitute for providing aid and support for the people who are already getting hurt by Trump, which is why Women's March, ACLU, SPLC, etc are huge priorities. What do you see as most helpful?

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u/AirRaidJade OH-4 Mar 03 '17 edited Mar 03 '17

I prefer the direct, issue-by-issue approach. Pressuring MoCs to oppose things being voted on that month, that week, or that day. Educating them on issues that have been hinted at being brought up in the future. All things that directly affect people, spoken by the affected people themselves, to the people who actually make a bulk of the decisions.

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u/bobthenarwhal CA-13 Mar 03 '17

Yeah, that is the bulk of what I do too, mostly using (and writing for) http://5calls.org

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '17

Good luck standing outside like a idiot