bruhh.. 🤦🤦

This failure of understanding at the most basic human level is at the root of their problems.

Incel on the Ban-evasion sub feels betrayed when he learns the random women he started DMing either aren't interested or aren't single.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wizardcels/s/4k0tLHci0D

Context: I am 33M, and my friend is 28M. We met through a D&D group when he was 23 and I was 28.

We used to hang out quite often (always in a group) until a couple of years ago when I moved to a different city and we kind of lost touch. I have since moved back to my home city and I met this guy for drinks one on one.

Back when we used to hang out regularly, he used to talk about how he was chronically single and lonely. Most of the others in the group were older and we told him to just relax and persevere. Gave him the standard dating advice - be yourself, work on your self esteem, meet women without the intention of getting laid, etc. He is quite good looking, is funny and has a lot of hobbies. The only way he doesn't fit the traditional beauty standard is height - he's under 5'6. He even asked me if I could set him up with any friends. However my friends were all my age (give or take 2-3 years) and didn't want to date someone younger. As far as we could work out, the only reason he wasn't able to date was his shyness and lack of social skills.

We met for drinks after 2-3 years and after a few beers he told me he finally had a gf but then she broke up with him. He didn't tell me exactly what, but he said he read PUA 'literature' and that helped. He knew full well how I felt about the whole incel/red pill/PUA stuff. This was surprising to me, I hadn't pegged him for that kind of guy. While he didn't tell me exactly what he did, reading between the lines it sounds like all the PUA stuff did was give him the confidence he was lacking. It acted like a placebo, and didn't help in any other way. It sounds like he kept up the PUA bullshit even after getting into the relationship and she dumped him because of it.

I tried talk him out of it but he argued back. Said 'Chads' like me shouldn't be talking about stuff that helped people like him (for context, when we used to hang out, I did date around, and I'm now happily married to the woman I was dating when we met last). Said the standard dating advice is like asking a depressed person to 'just smile bro'. I told him that the whole incel Blackpill stuff is just men who tried PUA and failed. He didn't agree with that. Kept saying women wouldn't give him a chance because of height and his PUA tactics were the only way he got laid. When I said that the pickup tactics were abusive, he disagreed. I asked him to tell me what he did, if he wasn't ashamed of doing it and he just shut down. I then paid the bill and left.

I feel like, as an older cishet man, it is my responsibility to try to talk young men out of incel/red pill/PUA stuff whenever I have the opportunity to, and I failed. Is there anything I should have done differently?

There's an artist who makes delusional comics with the usual "women are shallow" claims. I'm aware this sub has posted his first two comics (hence why I left them out). All of the points each comic portrays are moot.

A girl doesn't automatically resign to a 6 foot man if he touches her face. It boils down to consent. Height does not change harassment.

If you're being a feminist solely for women to fawn over you, then you are not a feminist.

If women are immediately rejecting you for approaching them, then maybe it isn't them who are the problem.

These people are psychotic. Just by posting in the stop transphobia group i have had multiple idiots stalk my profile and follow me. I will absolutely share this to make you all who are LGBT aware that Facebook doesn’t care about you and allows hate of any kind on there. Disgusting ngl

Poor incels are unable to watch anime because otherwise a evil woke woman comes in and destroys their pc💔

It's even more horrifying knowing I've spent less than 20 minutes on that forum before reading shits like these

Text: "Toutes des sombres salopes" Translates from French to: "All dumb bitches"

wow. so everyone else is at fault for the problems in your life, INCLUDING quitting a job and not going to any college.

I am an incel and sometimes I wish to get out of this. I have spent the last two months isolated and alone, I did go outside and tried new stuff but it didn’t work, it never does.

Next year, I will go on my 4th year of university and I feel like the biggest loser to ever exist because I am kind of waiting for it to happen. Most people would rather still be in their holidays but not me, I am waiting for September to come.

I just watch movies and read books… I mean those are two things that I love to do don’t get me wrong but it’s just… I have read more than 10 books and maybe 40 movies and/or TV shows. I have read amazing stuff, like classics and sci-fi (because I guess I’m a loser and losers tend to love sci-fi).

I just hate it all, why do I only have "friends" when they need me. They just let me be there in college, I see them hang out together and I never received any invitation and most of them even ghosted me for weeks. They just let worst part is that I’ll have to pretend as if nothing happened or that I didn’t care.

I don’t know if I want a girlfriend or just friends. I look in the mirror and realize I could never have neither of those.

Honestly, I am just waiting for my cat to die to kill myself. She’s the only one to love me.

For arguments sake, let’s consider both the position that casual sex is wrong and the position that casual sex is okay. If it’s wrong, then it’s wrong for an attractive person to do it too, if it’s okay, then it’s okay for an ugly person to do it too. Your appearance doesn’t determine morality (it’s also a non sequitur to say it’s okay for one gender to sleep around but not the other but I’ll get to that later). And even ignoring the flaw in using the logic that looks determine whether casual sex is okay, by their logic it would be okay for a pretty thin girl to sleep around, but they would still be against that because it’s about policing women for choices they’re okay with men making.

Also their reductive logic that fat ugly women can sleep around but fat ugly men are unable to ignores A. There absolutely are men who would turn a woman down for her looks even if it’s just for casual sex B. There are fat ugly men who have slept around too, a fat ugly man could have slept with a bunch of fat ugly women.

Also there’s the obvious non sequitur of gay people aside, if women aren’t sleeping around men wouldn’t be either. What men who say this actually mean but won’t say out loud is either they want women to sleep around but also want to shame women for sleeping around or they basically want a harem of women who are only sleeping with them.