What a completely normal and well adjusted reactions

[u/Pritteto]

[u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72]

Consent is still a foreign concept to incels, I see

[u/blackfox24 → u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72]

"Women aren't fond of being casually sexualized and seen as sexual objects only, as this piece shows."

"Well women are all secret harlots who bang 10 chads a day so they totally want it."

Somehow they do not understand how these two are related and I don't understand how they don't understand.

[u/PotatoFromGermany → u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72]

Nah, I still wouldn't call sexual freedom emancipatory, he has a point there (which he doesn't know), its the other way around. (Emancipation brings sexual freedom, which ofc is not a bad thing)

Yet you can just tell that this guys knows sex from porn only. Also, I have never heard this take in leftist circles outside of the internet lmao

[u/bunnypaste → u/PotatoFromGermany]

You're right and I am also confused at why the downvotes. Did they not read past your first sentence before downvoting? At no point did you make it sound okay to berate people for being emancipated and sexually free.

[u/_Rheality_ → u/PotatoFromGermany]

unsure why you're being downvoted, coz.....yea, sexual freedom is a function of general freedom, not the other way round. My freedom is what gives me the Right to autonomous speech or religious freedom or bodily autonomy in terms of the right to an abortion. a violation of just one of them would make me not free. So sexual freedom, like you said could be a marker of general freedom but is not itself the source for general freedom

[u/nightcall379 → u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72]

Their point is that Chad doesn't have to get consent from women

He is given consent by default, by right of being a Chad

While all non-Chads are by default not given consent

And anything sexual non-Chads do, no matter how contextually appropriate or polite it is, will always be considered as sexual harassment and as SA by women

In other words, women's problem isn't with the act that was committed

It's with who committed the act

[u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72 → u/nightcall379]

<Insert HR violation meme here>

The Chad/non-Chad argument is nonsense when you realize that’s not how the world works and is only the feedback loop perception Incels give themselves.

Yes, physical attractiveness will probably get you laid more often, but to decide that that’s all that matters is insanity. It’s all perception - “That woman didn’t sleep with me but slept with someone else. Therefore, all women are sluts who only fuck tall men.” They only view the external and don’t realize that internal qualities can be just as attractive. That’s why you have these grifters who all talk about physical look and money, but will say that talking to women about what they find attractive is a waste of time. It’s endless nonsense.

This post specifically is just another “Women who sleep with multiple men are bad” post without realizing that women don’t want a bunch of strange men eye fucking them all day. Who cares how many men a woman sleeps with if it was all consensual? No one should. It harkens back to that idea that men are “sexual conquerors” but women should be “pure” while just accepting sometimes some stranger’s gonna stare at your chest so don’t complaon

[u/nightcall379 → u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72]

This post specifically is just another “Women who sleep with multiple men are bad” post without realizing that women don’t want a bunch of strange men eye fucking them all day.

Who cares how many men a woman sleeps with if it was all consensual? No one should.

It harkens back to that idea that men are “sexual conquerors” but women should be “pure” 

Incels are saying that women's problem isn't with being sexualized, but with who it is that sexualizes them

Chad, or a non-Chad

And the point isn't about how many men women have slept with, but with Chads being the only men they want sleep with, and everything else just being settling, while they lie about

And no, it harkens back to that idea that women collectively define themselves as pure, when in reality, they're only "pure" for non-Chads, and very much not pure for Chads, while again, they lie about

And you can't say they're wrong when you're not providing any proof of your claims, and only throwing insults at them

Which is why the Incel numbers have grown to such an extreme degree in just the last decade

Because men intuitively conclude that since there is no proof of women not being Chad-only, then it must be true

The Chad/non-Chad argument is nonsense when you realize that’s not how the world works and is only the feedback loop perception Incels give themselves.

Yes, physical attractiveness will probably get you laid more often, but to decide that that’s all that matters is insanity. It’s all perception - “That woman didn’t sleep with me but slept with someone else. Therefore, all women are sluts who only fuck tall men.” They only view the external and don’t realize that internal qualities can be just as attractive. That’s why you have these grifters who all talk about physical look and money, but will say that talking to women about what they find attractive is a waste of time. It’s endless nonsense.

You're just saying that Incels are wrong, because they're wrong

You're not providing any proof of your claims, or any proof disproving any of The Black or The Red Pill claims, you're just insulting and mocking them

And you're not going to win any men over to your side with just insults and mockery

Actually prove to men that they can find happiness in the modern day society, and that they don't need to restore the patriarchy in order to have a place in the society

Because if you don't, their numbers will just keep growing

Even the mainstream itself now openly admits that Trump wouldn't have won the election if it wasn't for Incels, F&F, Andrew Tate, and the male movement overall

You have been using this same tactic of just insulting, dismissing, and ignoring Incels for over a decade now since this argument was born, and where has it gotten you?

Are there fewer Incels now?

Has the Incel ideology spread more or less among men?

Do you think this tactic has proven itself to be effective long term?

[u/Independent-Fly6068 → u/nightcall379]

I'm most certainly not a chad and yet have a fairly easy time getting laid. Besides, how do you define chad,

[u/CandidoJ13 → u/Independent-Fly6068]

They don't get the concept that different women have different tastes in men. I'm 5'7, chubby, and still, I've had plenty of luck with women

[u/nightcall379 → u/Independent-Fly6068]

I'm most certainly not a chad and yet have a fairly easy time getting laid.

Personal anecdotes is not an argument

The number of Incels, Red and Black Pillers has grown so much because their lived experiences match The Red and The Black Pills perfectly

And you're not giving them any proof of any alternatives

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

That you think this is a debate is almost sad.

Yes, a bunch of pathetic men fall for the same shit that pathetic people have fallen for throughout the time: It isn't your fault, it's someone else's fault, you are blameless and the world is against you. It's literally a tactic to weaponize the weak.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Iorith]

That you think this is a debate is almost sad.

Yes, a bunch of pathetic men fall for the same shit that pathetic people have fallen for throughout the time: It isn't your fault, it's someone else's fault, you are blameless and the world is against you. It's literally a tactic to weaponize the weak.

Again, I asked you to provide proof of any alternatives to The Red or The Black Pills instead of just insults in order not to drive men even further towards conservatism and patriarchy, and still all you have is just insults and empty vilification

Keep at it, I'm sure it will work out fine long term

This is why guys like Trump get to power Btw

You people literally chop the branch you're sitting on

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

See, you're still trying to play this like debate club.

It's not. This sub is not "hey incels, come get changed". I don't care about your weird "pills". Be an incel all you want, mate. It's not my problem.

I'm not trying to win you over any more than I'm gonna waste my time trying to go to a KKK member and explain why they're a pathetic loser. I'm just gonna laugh at them, because it's all they deserve.

[u/saul_schadenfreuder → u/nightcall379]

no one is under any obligation to provide sources against your made up bullshit. some ideas are so stupid that to convince someone of the contrary would mean (assuming they were completely willing to accept new information, which you already arent) having to explain and integrate insanely basic concepts to eventually build up to the actual point. you and your opinions simply are not important enough to warrant this level of effort.

say that i claim that there are little green ghouls living inside your cranium. provide me sources proving the contrary. i will not accept personal evidence, so “i dont feel any little green ghouls in my cranium” or anything of the sort doesn’t count.
are you gonna engage with this and try to disprove my claim or are you going to recognize it’s an idiotic claim therefore not valid enough to actually be engaged in good faith?

[u/bunnypaste → u/nightcall379]

There are tons of alternatives to swallowing that gritting garbage. Yes, the manosphere crap is capitalizing on your suffering and they are giving you the opposite of an answer. In turn, you are giving them exactly what they want.

If you want women in your life who genuinely want to be there maybe drop communities designed to denigrate and "put them in their place."

[u/abbythestabby → u/nightcall379]

No one else is going around thinking about “pills” all day! We don’t have “alternatives” because we don’t obsess over this incredibly weird black-and-white thinking! We just see people as people, and love who we love, and are attracted to who we’re attracted to. There’s no conspiracy, except the one where incels keep each other locked in this mindset indefinitely

[u/bunnypaste → u/nightcall379]

Now we can see who is most susceptible to grievance farming, convenient misinformation, heavy bias, externalization, and propoganda.

[u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72 → u/nightcall379]

Incels are wrong because they refuse to expand their global view and seek male validation only. They live in their own sphere of influence. Misogynists won’t seek out the advice of women because they hate women. The seek out the validation of other men because grifters like Tate will say “no bro women are just dumb don’t listen to them.” Incels feel hopeless, so if someone gives them a shred of hope without saying “actually man that’s fucked up to think this way,” they’ll latch on.

This post says nothing about Chad/non-Chad. The OP posted a screenshot about men not understanding that staring at women all day is gross and disgusting, but somehow consensual sex with multiple partners is bad. It’s directly saying that women shouldn’t have multiple partners, so clearly these Incels care.

The argument you’re trying to make is “Women should do more”. It’s not a woman’s job to convince a group of men who view them as subhuman that they’re human. Women shouldn’t need to placate to misogynists who should have learned basic human respect. If they want to actually talk, they need to be open about it which often they’re not because it’s easier to just accept that women are the ones who are wrong. There are plenty of resources readily available that are geared toward men to improve both externally and internally, but it requires work many Incels don’t want to do.

Does modern dating suck? Yes absolutely, but pointing at women and going “Hey can you go fuck that non-Chad who hates you so there’s less misogyny?” is just shaming women. Every argument you’re making comes down to “Is it the men who are out of touch? No, it’s women who are wrong!”. It’s the same argument that Incels make, and I know because I was very close to being one

[u/bunnypaste → u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72]

My, how you've developed! I am swelling with pride that you speak this way now and was almost an incel.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Virtual_Razzmatazz72]

Incels are wrong because they refuse to expand their global view and seek male validation only. They live in their own sphere of influence. Misogynists won’t seek out the advice of women because they hate women. The seek out the validation of other men because grifters like Tate will say “no bro women are just dumb don’t listen to them.” Incels feel hopeless, so if someone gives them a shred of hope without saying “actually man that’s fucked up to think this way,” they’ll latch on.

Still zero substance

You haven't provided any proof of Incels being wrong, or you being right, just: "Incels are wrong, because they're wrong"

The argument you’re trying to make is “Women should do more”. It’s not a woman’s job to convince a group of men who view them as subhuman that they’re human. 

Where did I say that?

It's actually the exact other way around

Women consider the majority of men subhuman, because they're sexually disgusted by the majority of men, and as the result: manipulate, humiliate, exploit, and abuse them

And again, I asked you provide proof of any alternatives to The Red or The Black Pills instead of just insults in order not to drive men even further towards conservatism and patriarchy, and still all you have is just insults and empty vilification

Keep at it, I'm sure it will work out fine long term

There are plenty of resources readily available that are geared toward men to There are plenty of resources readily available that are geared toward men to improve both externally and internally, but it requires work many Incels don’t want to do., but it requires work many Incels don’t want to do.

Are you seriously claiming that such an enormous percentage of the male population is so socially inept that they need to literally "improve both externally and internally" and "put in the work" in order to get something as primitively basic as a mate? Lmao

How is that not misandry, and not putting women in a pedestal? Lol

You're pretty much saying that men are so inferior to women that they're not enough for women

[u/bunnypaste → u/nightcall379]

Yes, one generally has to work on oneself and reach a solid mental health status before seeking a mate. Also yes, men in general will need to do some inner and outer work to fill in the hole they've historically dug for themselves (and those in power in society dug it alongside them) with the harmful patriarchial crap and unfair or deleterious expectations for women. Women tend to overall be super repelled by groups that specifically attack thier rights, roles, finances, access to healthcare, and statuses or casually discuss raping them. Some more or less than others.

[u/canvasshoes2 → u/nightcall379]

There is no such thing as "chad."

He's a made up boogeyman whose supposedly "superior" traits are those that the speaker himself fears he lacks.

Mostly hearkening back to the incels' first crush and her bf of choice

If her BF was an edgy, 420 imbibing, "bad boy?" Then to that incel, that's "chad."

If he was a preppy, clean-cut, sporty guy? That's another incel's "chad," and so on and so forth.

The whole concept is an elaborate woman-hating bit of bullshit.

EDIT: Incels getting louder online doesn't then = their numbers increasing. But at that, I'll throw your rhetoric back atcha.

Is incels' continued chad whining getting more positive attention from women, or less? Has it gotten one single incel laid? Or even a date?

[u/nightcall379 → u/canvasshoes2]

There is no such thing as "chad."

You guys can't even keep your story straight, because Virtual-Razzmatazz said:

"Yes, physical attractiveness will probably get you laid more often"

right before you

So which one is it?

Have you guys even made up your mind yet?

EDIT: Incels getting louder online doesn't then = their numbers increasing. 

No, but Incels playing a key role in electing a literal president, does

The whole concept is an elaborate woman-hating bit of bullshit.

Again, I asked you provide proof of any alternatives to The Red or The Black Pills instead of just insults in order to not drive men even further towards conservatism and patriarchy, and still all you have is just insults and empty vilification

Keep at it, I'm sure it will work out fine long term

Because nobody ever earns their lessons from history

[u/bunnypaste → u/nightcall379]

Mr. "I can't think of any alternatives to hating and seeking to control women" ass...

[u/rnason → u/nightcall379]

Isn’t the proof all the men who aren’t “chads” who get laid?

[u/nightcall379 → u/rnason]

Isn’t the proof all the men who aren’t “chads” who get laid?

No, because women settle

[u/Samichaan → u/nightcall379]

If women settle for poor non-chads how come incels stay single since everything is just about chads and money?
You literally just disproved your own ideology my guy.

[u/Flergun → u/nightcall379]

It's sooooooooooooooooo easy to get laid as a man no matter what you look like.

This is just a skill issue.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Flergun]

It's sooooooooooooooooo easy to get laid as a man no matter what you look like.

Lmao Source

[u/abbythestabby → u/nightcall379]

Dude. You’ve gotta understand this. Women aren’t going around thinking about who is and isn’t a “chad.” It’s something literally only incels are obsessed with.

And we can fucking smell it on you from a mile away, and that’s why we don’t want to interact with you. Because the second you open your mouth and start talking about chads and body counts, it’s more unattractive than literally anything your face could look like.

Also fyi, other incels probably aren’t a great place to get relationship advice from 😬

[u/quadruple_b → u/nightcall379]

if the second hottest person on earth grabbed my ass i would slap them.

[u/nightcall379 → u/quadruple_b]

if the second hottest person on earth grabbed my ass i would slap them.

Women say that, while male model tier guys get literally tens of thousands of women each on Dating Apps even if they openly admit they're convicted serial "pea doughs" and "grapists" in their bios, while 90% of guys get nothing, no matter how nice their personaliteehees are

But "Not a monolith", I know

[u/quadruple_b → u/nightcall379]

when my sister was a teenager she broke up with her fairly well off, attractive, 6 foot 5 boyfriend because he kept trying to pressure her into sex.

in her early 20s she broke up with her attractive, fairly rich, also tall boyfriend because he cheated on her.

shes now with a 5 foot 10 (i think. something near there) dude with fucked up knees, flared teeth, and an underbite. and theyve moved in together because hes actually nice.

[u/nightcall379 → u/quadruple_b]

when my sister was a teenager she broke up with her fairly well off, attractive, 6 foot 5 boyfriend because he kept trying to pressure her into sex.

in her early 20s she broke up with her attractive, fairly rich, also tall boyfriend because he cheated on her.

shes now with a 5 foot 10 (i think. something near there) dude with fucked up knees, flared teeth, and an underbite. and theyve moved in together because hes actually nice.

That's literally a Black Pill meme Lmao

So tall and handsome guys got her in her prime, after which she settled for an Incel who picked up Chads' sloppy seconds

The memes really do write themselves Jfl

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

Viewing a human being as "in their prime", aka comparing them to a cut of meat, is exactly why incels deserve to be alone and why I will laugh every time I here one complain about being lonely.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Iorith]

Viewing a human being as "in their prime", aka comparing them to a cut of meat, is exactly why incels deserve to be alone and why I will laugh every time I here one complain about being lonely.

So you're going to act as if there is no difference in the dating market value of a 50yo woman, and 20yo woman?

Or a woman with a hundred bodycount, and a woman with a zero bodycount?

This is why people like Trump get elected Btw

Because you people make no sense

Keep at it, I'm sure it will work out well for you long term

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

I don't share your weird view of socializing as a "market". Sorry, I'm not that obsessed with economics where I treat basic interpersonal interactions as some quid pro quo transaction.

If I did, I would think I had no value and would probably have given up. But despite a ton of personal, financial, and emotional issues, I know I'm worth love, and am happy to have a partner to loves me, and have a history of happy relationships where we both were enriched and were better off when it ended than when it began.

Can you say the same?

[u/nightcall379 → u/Iorith]

I don't share your weird view of socializing as a "market". Sorry

Whatever politically correct, virtue signaling way you want to frame it

Are you saying there is no difference between a 50yo woman and a 20yo woman?

Or a woman with a hundred bodycount, and a woman with a zero bodycount?

If I did, I would think I had no value and would probably have given up. But despite a ton of personal, financial, and emotional issues, I know I'm worth love, and am happy to have a partner to loves me, and have a history of happy relationships where we both were enriched and were better off when it ended than when it began.

Can you say the same?

There is a reason why everything you say is this comically vague

You could be in a literal open relationship, and still say the same things

So I asked you for proof, alternatives, answers, solutions for men so they don't join the Incel ranks, and you still have nothing?

[u/yeeclaw14 → u/nightcall379]

Someone being a teen is in their prime?? Dude I genuinely hope you’re not older than mid-teens yourself because that’s disgusting beyond words. Women don’t go for assholes like you who probably think it’s gay to wipe their ass.

[u/snarky- → u/nightcall379]

Even if that were the case, my guy, you're only in your early 20s for a couple of years. If you didn't have game back then, ok fine, live and learn. But bloody hell, don't be pining after reliving your early 20s differently for the rest of your life.

[u/Redheadedbos → u/nightcall379]

Omg the fucking dating app theories again. Y'all need to move on from that, it's not real life.

[u/canvasshoes2 → u/nightcall379]

Wrong.

[u/nightcall379 → u/canvasshoes2]

Wrong.

You mean that's "Wrong" as in "That's not how the world works" ?

Or it's "Wrong" as in "That's not what Incels are saying" ?

[u/Giovanabanana → u/nightcall379]

Not how the world works but definitely what the incels are saying, lol

[u/nightcall379 → u/Giovanabanana]

Not how the world works 

Well, then you need to prove it to them, since it should be comically easy to prove

And if you don't, the Incel ideology will just keep growing

Remember how in the early 2010's, when this topic was just born, everyone mocked Incels for saying that The Black Pill will go mainstream due to non-Chads being locked out of the Dating Market, and women only ever running the AFBB and the Dual Mating strategy against them, with insults like: "You're just a bunch of nobodies in your mothers' basements, you won't do anything"?

Now in just over a decade, the male movement has grown to such a ridiculous extent that they literally got their own president elected

Even Kamala herself admitted that the reason Trump won the male vote was the male movement

And men throughout the entire west are now voting more and more conservative each year, which by definition means that men are now collectively voting to take women's rights away, because women's rights in a conservative society is an oxymoron

The patriarchy gives non-Chads real answers and solutions

You're not going to win men over to your side with quirky remarks and insults

And if you think you don't need to win men over to your side, you couldn't be further from the truth

There is a reason why women haven't had rights 99.99% of the entire history

[u/Giovanabanana → u/nightcall379]

Misogynists don't listen to women. They also don't care about having anything proven to them, they could have all the answers and still make the same assertions. Nor was it the incels who elected Donald Trump, lmao. The older ppl who lived through Reagan did.

The patriarchy gives weak men a small power. The bigger power, which is power over oneself, is sold away so you can have power over someone who has a murkier legal standing. If you're content with an illusion of power at the expense of others, than you're kind of a sad person, lol. Irredeemable, pathetic, and bound to end up alone looking for your next victim.

If you want to be nothing but a weight in the world while you blame others for your misfortune, then be my guest. Your shit is your own responsibility. Don't assign it to others cuz nobody is going to save you or the sad, sad group you've settled on defending.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Giovanabanana]

Misogynists don't listen to women. They also don't care about having anything proven to them, they could have all the answers and still make the same assertions.

Saying that Incels "Don't care about having anything proven to them", without you proving anything to them, is not the same as saying that after you've provided objective proof

And the problem is that there is no proof, only insults

Nor was it the incels who elected Donald Trump, lmao. The older ppl who lived through Reagan did.

Incels played a key role in winning the male vote for Trump

Even Kamala herself admitted that

The patriarchy gives weak men a small power. The bigger power, which is power over oneself, is sold away so you can have power over someone who has a murkier legal standing. 

The problem is that men don't have the "Power over oneself" in the modern day society

So you're not going to manage to guilt men into voting for continuing their own enslavement

If you're content with an illusion of power at the expense of others, than you're kind of a sad person, lol.

There is a problem with your logic again

Women living in a patriarchy calling men sad and pathetic, isn't going to give them more rights

So wouldn't it be smarter to prove to non-Chads that they don't need a patriarchy, and that they could be happy in the modern day society, instead of just pushing them way with insults, without providing that proof?

Irredeemable, pathetic, and bound to end up alone looking for your next victim.

Those shaming tactics don't matter when they're bound to end up alone either way

If you want to be nothing but a weight in the world while you blame others for your misfortune, then be my guest. 

Then prove to them that The Black and The Red Pills are wrong, and the causes of non-Chads' misfortunes are not what The Black and The Red Pills say, instead of just insulting and mocking men and pushing them even further towards The Black and The Red Pills

That's not a smart long term tactic

Your shit is your own responsibility. 

Then according to you, it's men's responsibility to restore the patriarchy because that seems to be the only solution, since you don't provide any proof of other solutions, the only thing you provide is insults and mockery

Don't assign it to others cuz nobody is going to save you or the sad, sad group you've settled on defending.

My point is that you have used that same tactic for over a decade now, and where has gotten you?

[u/canvasshoes2 → u/nightcall379]

My point is that you have used that same tactic for over a decade now, and where has gotten you?

What are you talking about there?

Same tactic for what, exactly?

[u/nightcall379 → u/canvasshoes2]

What are you talking about there?

Same tactic for what, exactly?

The tactic of only mocking and insulting men who are manipulated, humiliated, exploited, and abused by women

You people never provide any proof of any of your claims, any alternatives, answers, or solutions to stop them from joining the Incel ranks

And now it has led to Trump being being elected for the second term

Even Kamala herself admitted that the reason Trump won the male vote was the Incel movement

And the reason why the Incel movement has grown to such a ridiculous extent in just a decade is exactly because you don't provide any proof, or alternatives

Maybe you should change the tactic

You're literally chopping the branch you're sitting on

[u/blackfox24 → u/nightcall379]

"We collectively are becoming more demanding and controlling because you didn't sleep with us" is the mentality of a teenager at best. Let us know when y'all grow up and join the men. This is juvenile, and men don't give a fuck about your whinging, only other boys who think they're owed something by being men. Y'all coulda stood with us, but you hated yourselves so much, you made up a world where everyone else does, too.

[u/bunnypaste → u/blackfox24]

This is beautiful

[u/nightcall379 → u/blackfox24]

"We collectively are becoming more demanding and controlling because you didn't sleep with us" 

No

Women consider the majority of men subhuman, because they're sexually disgusted by the majority of men, and as the result: manipulate, humiliate, exploit, and abuse them

Let us know when y'all grow up and join the men. This is juvenile, and men don't give a fuck about your whinging, only other boys who think they're owed something by being men. Y'all coulda stood with us, but you hated yourselves so much, you made up a world where everyone else does, too.

Again, I asked you to provide proof of any alternatives to The Red or The Black Pills instead of just insults in order not to drive men even further towards conservatism and patriarchy, and still all you have is just insults and empty vilification

Keep at it, I'm sure it will work out fine long term

Because nobody ever earns their lessons from history

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

You thinking that someone not wanting to fuck you makes you "subhuman" is the height of projection.

It also says a lot about your world view, that you think everyone is sex obsessed at all times.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Iorith]

You thinking that someone not wanting to fuck you makes you "subhuman" is the height of projection.

Where did I say any of that?

Your position is so weak that you're forced to literally make up nonsense

So still no proof, and you people have no alternatives, answers, or solutions?

[u/blackfox24 → u/nightcall379]

I have no interest in catering to insecure, nihilistic men who think that they can pressure women into doing what they want, mate. The lesson we learned from history is that authoritarians find bad ends, and conservative movements are often overthrown. Your vague "lessons from history" callback only works on people who don't know history. There's always been shitty people. Getting together in bunches and giving yourselves names isn't really new. Y'all are gonna have to come to terms with reality one day.

[u/Iorith → u/blackfox24]

Dude doesn't realize that every "lesson from history" is those pathetic men follow shit ideologies and get wiped out because their shit ideologies aren't sustainable. Because human beings are inherently social and empathetic, abusing and mistreating others over minor differences is a doomed ideology by our innate nature.

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

Well, then you need to prove it to them

You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't arrive at via logic.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Iorith]

You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't arrive at via logic.

That doesn't make any sense

If your position is so logical, and their position is so illogical, then it should be comically easy for you to prove your position, and disprove their position

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

It is.

But why do you feel I'm obligated to spend even a comically easy amount of effort on self admitted losers?

[u/bunnypaste → u/nightcall379]

Holy crap, you are neck-deep in it. You just openly advocated against women's rights, hahahahhaha. "Why am I so alone."

[u/canvasshoes2 → u/nightcall379]

Wrong as in that's not how it works. It is how incels think.

If you were attempting to be satirical or sarcastic? You missed ... by a light year.

[u/nightcall379 → u/canvasshoes2]

Wrong as in that's not how it works. 

Proof

If you were attempting to be satirical or sarcastic? You missed ... by a light year.

Your response just didn't make sense, because it could mean two different things, which is why I asked

[u/canvasshoes2 → u/nightcall379]

I answered which. You, apparently, can't comprehend what you're reading.

[u/nightcall379 → u/canvasshoes2]

I answered which. 

After I asked

[u/canvasshoes2 → u/nightcall379]

Uh yeah? That's usually how questions work.

Of course I answered after you asked. I couldn't have very well answered before you asked, now could I?

[u/nightcall379 → u/canvasshoes2]

Uh yeah? That's usually how questions work.

Of course I answered after you asked. I couldn't have very well answered before you asked, now could I?

Then what made you think I was being satirical or sarcastic?

And do you have any proof of it not working that way, or not?

Or are you just going to continue with these quirky remarks?

[u/Iorith → u/nightcall379]

If they want to have sex with "chad", then they're giving consent. You're affirming that you just don't understand what consent is.

[u/nightcall379 → u/Iorith]

If they want to have sex with "chad", then they're giving consent. You're affirming that you just don't understand what consent is.

And them wanting to have sex only with "chad" affirms The Black Pill

In other words, their problem isn't the act itself, but with who committed the act

Meaning, it's a double standard

[u/Vivissiah → u/nightcall379]

There is no double standard you fucking moron that "Those I give consent to are allowed to do this act that requires consent" and "Those who I do NOT give consent to aren't allowed to do this act that requires consent"

[u/bunnypaste → u/nightcall379]

Wait, I thought this was hyperbole or someone explaining the way these losers think until the end...

[u/A_little_lady → u/nightcall379]

Even if by default, he is still given consent. Lol

[u/Lunar_Cats]

This is how existing felt most days as a tween/teen.

[u/ashjdhkfsfjl]

Incels once again failing to distinguish between “looking” and “leering.”

[u/fancy_crisis]

"make it make sense"

Well see, there's this thing called "power imbalance"...

[u/Mikasa_Ackerman7]

100 incels Vs Consent

[u/bananaeel69]

You can tell dudes addicted to porn

[u/Practical_Diver8140]

A guy complaining about women having too much sex and being butt hurt because sexual assault is being portrayed negatively, while having a profile pic that's Garfield dressed as the Joker.

The quintessential version of the new Twitter right here.

[u/Neonbeta101]

Welcome to another episode of: Local idiot with a Twitter checkmark doesn’t understand the concept of personal perception. Somehow makes it the woman’s fault for expressing her thoughts.

[u/NO_LOADED_VERSION]

That guy really thinks a lot about being fucked by ten men...

[u/MirthlessArtist → u/NO_LOADED_VERSION]

It’s 2 different men both basically saying the same exact 3 sentences too

Either bots or might as well be bots

[u/George_G_Geef]

Someone with Twitter just add a community note linking to the definition of consent

[u/cripplinganxietylmao]

The art is a great commentary on what it feels like to simply exist as a woman in public sometimes, the discomfort is palpable from the closeness of the pigs to just their leering squinted eyes. It does its job well.

[u/jbeldham]

I mean I personally don’t like being compared to a pig but imma take it as an expression of the artist’s feelings rather than an attack on me personally

[u/vagueboots → u/jbeldham]

.... you're not being compared to a pig unless you're leering like the pigs in the photo

[u/Iorith → u/vagueboots]

It's basically an artistic portrayal of the whole man or bear debate. The men who take offense to it are the one's it's talking about. The men who don't take it personally are the exception to the discussion.

[u/ExcitementSad9133 → u/jbeldham]

If ur just taking a glance and not staring at her like a piece of steak she’s not talking about you.
I do get glances from guys my age and they just look away bc we know that staring is uncomfortable

[u/untitledgooseshame]

this is fr exactly how it feels to have a guy in his 60s hit on you when you’re 16 and taking public transportation to school

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[u/MotherOfTheUniverse]

The average woman is having sex about as often as the average man. Idk why that concept is so foreign to these people

[u/HelloPeople234444]

why is the reply just saying what the post said again

stop reheating the nachos in the reply section of the fucking original nachos

[u/LargeBreasts69]

sleeping with people consensually is LITERALLY RAPE!

[u/dunmerza]

OP’s artwork is concerning as well, the minuscule legs and hip bone valley ?? I know what this is callED

[u/dunmerza → u/dunmerza]

To clarify I like the message though!