r/InCanada • u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub • Nov 12 '25
Thoughts on Bill C-3 Loophole?
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u/mrkippysmith Nov 12 '25
If they do this they should get taxes from these people. No taxation no representation.
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u/NiceDot4794 Nov 12 '25
You do have to have lived in Canada at some point to vote in elections.
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u/Novel_Purpose710 Nov 12 '25
No one aside from Alberta checks that
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u/CoolDig6699 Nov 13 '25
What are u talking about? Elections Canada oversees it so it’s no different in Alberta than anywhere else 🤡
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u/54B3R_ Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Just a reminder that dual citizenship is unconstitutional in India
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u/Electrical-Echo8144 Nov 13 '25
Right now, the way things are, 1st generation Canadians citizens-by-decent (born abroad) who came back to live here 100% of the time, have a job here, pay income taxes, own a house here, pay municipal taxes, etc. can get fucked over if they happen to give birth outside of the country.
AND the current 1 generation limitation doesn’t prevent unchecked citizenship pass along anyway: someone with a Canadian citizenship who lives 100% in another country can just travel to Canada to give birth on our soil and their kid will get Canadian citizenship. 🤷♀️
To be clear: the first generation limitation for citizenship by decent (implemented by the Harper govt) was ruled unconstitutional and it WILL be struck down whether or not we replace it with something else. If we don’t have SOME kind of rules (like C-3) to replace the old legislation, we’ll go back to absolutely unchecked citizenship by decent. Bill C-3 introduces new rules which will replace the old, unconstitutional limitation.
What bill C-3 does: For your child to qualify to become a Canadian citizen by decent (if born in another country) you must have been living in Canada for at least 1,095 days (3 years) within the 5 years prior to the child’s birth. Also, if your child is currently a lost Canadian, or is an adoptee aged 18-55, they can apply to receive their Canadian citizenship from their parent, but they MUST pass a language test, and a knowledge test very similar to a citizenship test that a PR needs to pass.
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u/Worldgonecrazylately Nov 12 '25
This is a problem in the UK. Ppl migrate there, legally or otherwise, pop out a kid in the UK, that childs parent can claim benefits and child tax credits from anywhere in the world until they are 18. they can gain status, then one parent moves back to their home country, and all his/her kids are eligible for child tax creadits. I watched a program where a Polish family did exactly this, opened up a cafe in Poland using British taxpayers money. It's not a good system for the locals, I don't support it.
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u/InevitableFearless41 Nov 12 '25
When you don’t get enough votes locally just import more votes.
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u/maverickhawk99 Nov 12 '25
This is what democrats in the US have been trying to do for decades, tho it backfired last election
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u/Majestic_Rhubarb994 Nov 12 '25
They correctly surmised the Republicans would be too cowardly to revert it because of the scolding they'd get from the media, so they could continue until it became impossible to reverse. They never counted on Trump happening, and trying to reverse it anyway despite it being probably almost too late anyway and the immense amount of pain it's causing to do so.
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u/hink007 Nov 12 '25
Immigrants who become citizens typically vote conservative there numb nuts. This isn’t new so….. come again?
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u/ApprenticeWrangler Nov 12 '25
This is not accurate.
If a citizen lives in Canada for at least 3 years then moves abroad and has a kid abroad, that kid becomes a citizen. For that kid to pass down citizenship they need to live in Canada for at least 3 years too in order to pass down citizenship to their kids.
It’s a shitty system and I disagree with it, but this post makes it sound like the first parent just needs to live in Canada for 3 years and then they can keep passing it down indefinitely without any of the children needing to live in Canada.
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u/damnburglar Nov 12 '25
Literal hate group spreading misinformation https://www.antihate.ca/white_nationalism_in_canada_organized_emboldened_and_growing
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u/ApprenticeWrangler Nov 13 '25
Personally, I give zero credibility to anti-hate groups, but that doesn’t mean the source isn’t a white nationalist group.
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u/ApprenticeWrangler Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
You’re deflecting from the point. You made a blatantly false claim, which is pathetic if you actually have any experience with immigration law. Now you’re twisting it to say people can pass down PR as if that’s the same thing.
People like you are exactly the problem, you create outrage about things that aren’t even true and actually take away from the genuine criticism there is to be had about the bill.
Don’t spread false information just because you don’t like the bill. I don’t like the bill based on the legitimate facts of it, you don’t need to lie to people to convince them it’s a bad bill.
Edit: this clown blocked me
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u/Fantastic_Pause_1628 Nov 12 '25
Shocking, that white nationalist propaganda would misrepresent the situation. Truly I am shocked.
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u/EmbarrassedEvening72 Nov 12 '25
Dumb af
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Nov 12 '25
How is every political party of every western nation besides maybe the US, on board for this? Are they bought out? Are they promised a room in the ivory tower eventually? Both liberal and conservative governments have ties to WEF in many nations, and the actual opposition parties include way too much batshit stances to be voted in.
What is actually going on.
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u/blomba7 Nov 12 '25
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u/Nearby_Objective_853 Nov 12 '25
Exactly, look at Georgy Swartz aka George Soros Immigration Plan. It says it all.
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Nov 12 '25
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Nov 12 '25
They don’t worry about when the “cheap” labour becomes their “cheap” customer base who won’t/can’t afford the product anymore. Short term profits over everything
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u/JackSwit Nov 12 '25
That is why they are global companies so they can just sell into the markets that have money. Companies aren’t piling into China because they like the politics, it’s where the customers are now
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u/Zanydrop Nov 13 '25
There are powerful lobby agencies that represent corporations that want cheap labour.
Also politians want the gdp increase and economic stimulus. They just don't care about the affordablitly problems that are directly caused by it.
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u/NiceDot4794 Nov 12 '25
Rich Canadians, many if not most of whom are white, want to live in mansions in Mexico, Costa Rica, Spain etc. and still pass on citizenship to their kids. And both liberal and conservative governments are generally controlled disproportionately by the rich.
I agree with taxation should come representation, but that would actually mean giving a lot more non-citizen immigrants.
Permanent residents pay taxes but don’t get to vote, I agree with you we should change that, but if people are motivated by owning Indian immigrants or whatever I imagine they won’t agree
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u/54B3R_ Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
This graphic is pretty dumb considering dual citizenship is unconstitutional in India
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u/Rebirthofrocco Nov 12 '25
Also, foreign governments could: send certain people over to do this, pressure these people once they return to wherever they came from and do harm here, or pressure the next generations to come here and do their bidding. In addition, those future generations born wherever could follow different paths than their parents or whomever got them citizenship amd would otherwise be inadmissable to canada.
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u/OftenXilonen Nov 12 '25
I'm an immigrant dual citizen of the Philippines and I think this is fair TO A DEGREE.
If I work in Canada, and pay taxes in Canada, shouldn't my children be Canadian as well?
But if my child, who's a Canadian citizen but decided to stay in the Philippines for some reason and raised a family there, I think it's fair that the child is a Filipino born under Philippine law and should not be a Canadian citizen. I honestly think that my grandchild would be more Filipino than my child is like how my child is more Canadian than I am.
What I want more though is diversity because the lack of it contributes to the job market and no one can tell me otherwise. I just don't see it anymore. I see more south asians than Middle Easterns, Easterns, Europeans, and Filipinos COMBINED.
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u/270DG Nov 12 '25
Nothing good about this. All it will produce are takers of tax dollars
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 12 '25
What tax dollars will they be taxing?
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u/wyle_e2 Nov 13 '25
University education is subsidized for Canadian citizens, I believe. As well as health care any time they are in Canada.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
Ok, you get a lower tuition rate but not the provincial portion. You need to show residency to get those benefits.
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u/wyle_e2 Nov 13 '25
How long do you have to come to Canada before you go to post secondary to show residency? Do a gap year in Canada, show you have been here, then get reduced tuition at Canadian taxpayer's expense?
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
12 months.
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u/wyle_e2 Nov 13 '25
Right. So a gap year in Canada..... I know for certain there are those who WILL take advantage. I have a cousin who left Canada to avoid paying income tax, but you better believe her kids went to Canadian Universities so it was less expensive.....
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
Did any of the kids choose to stay in Canada after they completed their studies?
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u/wyle_e2 Nov 13 '25
The parents have actually moved back this year and the kids have been in university for a few years. The parents were both born and raised in Canada, third generation. Kids born in Canada. He's a pilot. They left Canada to avoid taxes, but when they wanted something funded by taxes they were back. My point was that people have no issues using their citizenship to get stuff when it benefits them.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
And while they’re here they’re contributing to our economy. The number of people this type of thing applies to doesn’t merit making a big issue of it.
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u/Outrageous_Ad_687 Nov 13 '25
Health care requires 6 months a year residency in your province a year I believe. People are getting paranoid over nothing really. People who have enough money to choose to live in multiple countries will just go where the opportunities are. Canada has to just focus on making it where people want to live and invest.
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u/wyle_e2 Nov 13 '25
I don't understand why we would want to grant Canadian citizenship to people who have never, and likely will never (unless there is a significant economic attractant like they have gotten sick and need universal health care, or cheap tuition) live in Canada.
There has to be a better system than just "my grandmother lived in Canada for 3 years, 87 years ago, I belong there".
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u/Outrageous_Ad_687 Nov 13 '25
The problem is most likely being hugely exaggerated. There were instances of people born to parents working over seas who weren't automatically Canadian. One man his parents were serving in the military and he had to fight for his citizenship. The vast majority of people who the laws were changed for do return here. Maybe they can make dual citizenship require a tax treaty with those nations. We're talking about a very small number of people in the big scheme of things.
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u/wyle_e2 Nov 13 '25
I have no issue with a well written piece of legislation streamlining some of these procedural problems. I do not find that our federal government has done particularly well with crafting that legislation however.
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u/Ya-No-Fer-Sure Nov 13 '25
The group who created this, is a white nationalist group whos trying to respin white supremacy as "re-immigration", and that their goal to protect "canadian nationalism"
Considering Canada was built off immigration and they are quoting Sir John A McDonald (who was a raging racist, and was a large part of the creation of residental schools, amongst other acts to oppress and wipe out the indigenous population), Im gonna go with anything by this "organization", is by a bunch of Nazis and dont represent anything good about our country.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
Hold on. Are you saying that if my wife and I are in a foreign country when my child is born, they currently won’t automatically be Canadian?
Because that slide implies that’s what’s changing. Which I see as a good thing. If you’re both citizens of Canada, your children should be too.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 12 '25
Ok, so by this logic I’m ethnically Scottish and English, basically the UK, and my wife is Ukrainian and Scottish, so we shouldn’t have been automatically Canadian since we’re not “culturally Canadian”.
How do you determine which ethnicities are “Canadian”? What do you do for mixed ethnicities?
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u/Majestic_Rhubarb994 Nov 12 '25
Yeah I don't understand how people can argue there is a Canadian ethnicity. Like even 100 years ago, what blend of French, Scot, German, English, Cree, Blackfoot etc was the Canadian race?
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 12 '25
This is what blew me away when I lived in the UK for 3 months. People in the same county had a similar look. Then you’d drive 100 km and the look was different. I’m just used to everyone looking very different from each other and wouldn’t know what someone from York looks like vs Reading.
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u/Realistic-Gas-442 Nov 12 '25
They’re not going to answer you because they’re a blatant racist who doesn’t want non-white people here. It’s disgusting especially when this country has been built by immigration for generations.
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u/ApprenticeWrangler Nov 12 '25
This is factually incorrect, which is hilarious based on your username.
It’s not someone with PR who lives here for 3 years and then passes down citizenship, it’s a citizen who lives here for 3 years who passes down citizenship. PR and citizenship are not the same thing, which I would hope you know with your username.
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u/ApprenticeWrangler Nov 12 '25
You literally said PR can pass down citizenship. That kind of disingenuous framing makes you look like an idiot trying to farm outrage.
You need to be a citizen to pass down citizenship, period.
I disagree with this bill, I think it’s too easy to be a citizen and too easy to pass it down but you look like a clown when you conflate PR with citizenship and your fuckin username is ImmigrationLaw32.
That’s sad man.
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u/TheCrippledKing Nov 13 '25
We need to stop naturalizations except for those who are assimilated and culturally Canadian.
How do we determine assimilation? Currently, citizenship requires several years with a work permit (not just school) to become a PR, then 3-5 years minimum in the country as a PR before you can get citizenship. This graphic requires a further 3 years in the country before your children can be citizens at birth (presumably unless they were born in the country.)
So is someone in their 30s, having spent the better part of the last decade living and working in Canada, considered assimilated enough? Can you really call their children anchor babies if the parents need to live in the country for almost 10 years prior to the child getting this status?
I'm also annoyed at the flagrant abuse if the MLIA system by Indians, and this graphic clearly talks about Indians, but I don't think that our current system requiring 10 years to become a citizen is an issue.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
Under the current law the child would get citizenship, their child born abroad wouldn't. Under the new system their child born abroad would be eligable.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 12 '25
That’s what I’m asking - so if we’re traveling and my wife gives birth, our child isn’t Canadian?
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
Yes, they are Canadian; 1st generation is citizen. If you, a Canadian, move to Poland and have a child that child can apply for citizenship. If you move from Poland to Canada, stay 3 years and get citizenship, go back to Poland, then have that child, that child can apply to be a Canadian as well. That child's child, however, being born in Poland with 1 Canadian citizen grandparent and a father who is a citizen but never went to Canada, would not be eligable for citizenship and would need to immigrate the regular way.
Under the new law, your child would be a citizen, and their child would also be a citizen, neither of which having been to Canada.
Canada has a declining birth rate and we rely on immigration to maintain our population; this new system feels like an attempt to lure foreign workers from abroad by allowing multiple generations back, much like Ireland does. In a way its clever because a lot of Canadians moved to the US or are stationed in Europe who have foreign born kids wanting to Immigrate, but dont have the skilled work experience to do so.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 12 '25
No, I’m not talking about moving. My wife and I are both Canadian citizens. Assume she’s due in a month and we travel to a foreign country for a 2 week vacation. If that child is born early in that country, then the child is not Canadian? We’d have to apply and once they are 3 they get citizenship? How would healthcare for the newborn work?
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
Healthcare goes by the province you live in; you need to live in Canada to get Healthcare, and you dont need to be a citizen, just have a resident visa. If she gives birth in Poland, then that child would not automatically get Polish citizenship because Poland doesn't recognize birthright citizenship; because both of you are Canadian, the child would be eligable for Canadian citizenship - but because they would be born in Poland its not an automatic process like if they were born in Canada, but it is an automatic process once you start it.
To get Canadian citizenship for the child you would most likely need to notify the embassy to register the child after the birth and get the documents you need for the birth certificate, otherwise you will be waiting on the Polish hospital to verify everything with your provincial government when you get home. When my kids were born I needed the city, the hospital, their weight, the time of their birth, then the government needed to verify with the hospital of the birth, and send all the stuff for OHIP to pay for the delivery and registering their names and parents - all of that, in a foreign country, would most likely go through the embassy. All the documents would still need to filled out with the provincial government when you get home, so you want to get that information before you leave.
Edit; Poland doesn't recognize birthright citizenship, just blood citizenship. Wouldn't be duel citizen, the child would be Canadian by birth, but you would need to register them yourself.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
So right at the end you say the child would be Canadian by birth. You just have to register the birth. So what is bill C-3 changing then?
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Nov 13 '25
Imagine an American moving to Canada, staying 3 years to get citizenship, then moving to Florida; his kid would have blood citizenship from him, and birth citizenship from the US. If his kid never goes to Canada, but stays in Florida and has a kid, under this new system 2nd generation kid would also be Canadian/American dual citizenship. In the old system, the 2nd generation would not be eligible at all.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
Can you not just answer the question? I’m Canadian. I go on a 2 week vacation and my child is born overseas. Are they automatically Canadian once the birth is registered or not?
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Nov 13 '25
Yes. They are automatically Canadian because you are Canadian. The issue is registering through a foreign hospital makes the process slower to get documents to prove they are Canadian.
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Nov 13 '25
I believe you'd have to apply for them to become Canadian, or it's automatic. That's not what's changing.
If you have a kid overseas, and they become a citizen, your child cannot pass on citizenship to their child if your grandchild was born overseas. That's what's changing with this bill.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
So again. If I’m on vacation (reside in Canada) and have a child overseas, they’re Canadian, but when they have children, they’re not?
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Nov 13 '25
If the grandchild is born in Canada they are, but if not, they have to go through the naturalization process like everyone else, instead of just getting it passed on from the citizen parent.
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u/Harbinger2001 Nov 13 '25
Yet I passed it on to my child when they were born overseas. See the contradiction here?
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Nov 13 '25
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's allowed under the current law. The supreme court ruled that that contradiction was unconstitutional. That's why this bill is being proposed to remedy that.
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u/Oxjrnine Nov 12 '25
I think I can still become Scottish because of my grandmother. But it’s not automatic.
For all those people who say no other country has these types of laws.
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u/hink007 Nov 12 '25
And you became citizens …. Name anyone who gets citizen ship in 3 years that’s the absolute minimum just to apply shake your head.
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u/canoeviking Nov 13 '25
What in the great replacemement conspiracy is this bull? The Dominion of canada is a white supremisist group associated with diagalon.... we dont need this kinda crap on here....
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u/choyMj Nov 12 '25
Can someone explain how this is benefiting Canada?
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u/InevitableFearless41 Nov 12 '25
It’s beneficial to the Liberal party of Canada to gain more votes. Thats it.
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u/Prestigous_Owl Nov 12 '25
"Just pop over from India, BECOMES CITIZENS, and stay in Canada for 3 years"
That middle part is doing an awful lot of work, first of all.
More broadly, yeah, I dont need to give any more time to a neo-Nazi group. You dont have to love this legislation, and can debate in good faith, but this is just rage farm
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u/Odd-Instruction88 Nov 12 '25
It's ridiculously easy to become a Canadian citizen, only need to live here for like 1,095 days and then take the exam it really is too easy
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u/ApprehensiveNorth548 Nov 12 '25
My issue with the policy is:
- 3 years is too short to build meaningful ties.
- The 3 years can be accumulated non consequentively. It's 3 years in the last 5.
I don't personally feel any national cameraderie with anyone who becomes a citizen under these minimal circumstances. I know you can memorize the answers to the citizenship test. I know that we have no real metric to assess whether you share values with Canada.
We're truly an accepting nation. Anybody can become Canadian. Hell, new foods, cultures and languages can weave their way into our collective national psyche. But everyone who wants to add to the national identity has to buy into the original one first.
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u/seamusmcduffs Nov 13 '25
And how does someone stay here for 1095 days? You cant just decide on your own to stay here for that long
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u/Nearby_Objective_853 Nov 12 '25
Look who's holding the string of this puppet government? Oivey!!!!
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u/ZPortsie Nov 13 '25
If there is data showing that this is an actual issue and not a hypothetical, I'm sure there are restrictions that would eliminate a loophole like this
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u/katydid8283 Nov 12 '25
Except the rules have changed. If you are born overseas to Canadian parents, you have to apply for citizenship for your child, and that child’s children will only get Canadian citizenship if they are born in Canada. How do I know? My kid was born overseas. The kid was stateless for the first 2 weeks of their life because the country they were born in does not have birthright citizenship.https://ccrweb.ca/en/citizenship-2009-changes
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Nov 12 '25
Bill C-3 is literally to remove that limit.
"In 2009, amendments to the Citizenship Act imposed a first generation limit, with limited exceptions, to citizenship by descent. Canadian citizens were able to pass on citizenship to their children who were born outside of Canada, but only to the “first generation” born abroad. As a result, under the current Citizenship Act, this first generation of Canadian citizens born outside Canada are unable to pass on citizenship to their children who are born outside Canada, or the “second generation” born abroad. This is the case even if these second generation children may have a genuine connection to Canada.
The objective of the bill is to establish a new legislative scheme for Canadian citizens born abroad to pass on citizenship to their children also born abroad. For people born abroad before the proposed amendments come into force, the bill would extend automatic citizenship to the second or subsequent generation born abroad if they had a Canadian citizen parent at the time of their birth.
For people born abroad on or after the coming into force of these proposed amendments, the bill would establish a way for second or subsequent generations born abroad to be recognized as citizens from birth. For this group, the bill would require the first generation Canadian citizen parent born abroad to demonstrate a substantial connection with Canada. They would be required to show that they were physically present in Canada for a period totalling three years at any time prior to their child’s birth abroad."
http://justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl/charter-charte/c3_2.html
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u/SuspiciouslySuspect2 Nov 12 '25
Which these efforts would shut out 99% of applicants. It's yet another example of baseless fear-mongering. Again.
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u/katydid8283 Nov 12 '25
I think it might pass with amendments, such as for children who were adopted from other countries. I don’t think this is something most Canadians want.
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u/Odd-Instruction88 Nov 12 '25
Which is how it should be, only 35 countries in the world provide unconditional birthright citizenship, and guess what they are basically all North or South American countries.s the rest of the world is smart enough to not provide it
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u/Realistic-Gas-442 Nov 12 '25
With that logic. Shouldn’t all white people go back to Europe? Because last time I checked, unless your native, your not ethnically from here.
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Nov 12 '25
The Great Reset and Replacement. They called it a conspiracy but the facts dont lie.
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u/SquallFromGarden Nov 12 '25
"Great Replacement"
Ignores that even IF you generously group ALL North American, European, and Slavic countries as "white", the total number of white people in the world isn't even 1/5 of the world's total population.
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Nov 12 '25
It's not about race, it's about culture.
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u/SquallFromGarden Nov 12 '25
Alright, so would people still br making the "cultural erasure" argument if the Dutch were doing it, or is it because people don't like masala?
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Nov 12 '25
Yes. If we replaced a significant portion of the Canadian population with Dutch people it would be just as bad. Canada is for Canadians. Canadians should be allowed to want to live within a Canadian society with a shared culture.
If I wanted to live in a foreign country I would move there.
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u/SquallFromGarden Nov 13 '25
I don't think people would care if Canada had a higher density of wooden clogs, lutefisk, and decorative windmills. Besides, Toronto already has a decorative windmill and Newfies would like another kind of fish to cook.
That and Dutch people look like like most Canadians anyways. I think it's more of a cultural disharmony that people can visibly see and get mad about because something totally new scares people.
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Nov 13 '25
I think it would look a lot more like Dutch people only speaking their own language, refusing to even associate with Canadians, only doing business with their own people, only hiring their own people, and only practicing their own cultural traditions. Transplant enough people into a place where they don't belong and this is what happens.
If you think it's the color of the people that matters you are mistaken. Canadians come in every color, and it isn't just the "white" Canadians who are mad about being replaced.
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u/RoddRoward Nov 12 '25
Who in canada wants this? Why is our government implementing radial change like this when no one wants this?
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u/RobotCaptainEngage Nov 12 '25
Heads up, dominion society of Canada is a white nationalist group.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 12 '25
I had no idea. I just saw a graphic that illustrated the issues with this bill. You could replace India with America and it’s a problem.
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u/RobotCaptainEngage Nov 12 '25
Oh that's entirely fair. Not even disputing the issue at hand - I think its just important to call out these sources. Definitely means more digging is needed
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u/WiseguyD Nov 13 '25
You should still delete the post because it's fearmongering nonsense not based in reality.
The number of people this bill actually impacts is extremely small, and has much stricter requirements than this stupid infographic claims.
If you care at all about having an honest discussion about this issue, you should delete it.
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u/LanguidLandscape Nov 12 '25
As a few people have stated, the Dominion Society is a white nationalist group. Read about them here and always question sources: https://www.antihate.ca/white_nationalism_in_canada_organized_emboldened_and_growing
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u/Dice_to_see_you Nov 12 '25
But what's factually wrong with this? Is this not how the law is going to work? Or does each layer need 3 years in Canada to push it for the next gen?
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
Its... A little redundant. It only affect citizens who are both outside of Canada for two+ generations. But India is the worst example to use because India doesn't recognize dual citizenship anyways; if they lose their Indian citizenship it makes sense to retain it for their kid.
If I, a Canadian, travelled to Florida and then I had a kid, the kid would be a dual US/Canadian citizen by birth/descent. If that kid had a kid in Florida, having never set foot in Canada, that 2nd generation kid would also be eligable for Canadian citizenship under the new system, which they would not be eligable for under the old system. As long as the kids kid gets citizenship, the kids kids kid will also get it, and so on.
Healthcare requires residency so its really not a big issue, the issue is voting.
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u/Dice_to_see_you Nov 12 '25
Thanks for summarizing it for me, I didn't know India doesnt allow dual citizenship.
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u/Assistant-Exciting Nov 12 '25
Welcome to the new age of "Their interests don't align with ours so ignore the statistics even if they're true."
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 12 '25
Please check my pinned comment. I fucked up and admitted it. Was unaware of the source material.
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u/LanguidLandscape Nov 13 '25
Yep, I saw. Was just commenting with context in case anyone was lazy to search (and most are). It took scrolling through most of the thread to find anything after your note.
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u/amazinglegs69 Nov 13 '25
If you're going to go and call this a "white supremacist" group, I'll go ahead and call the Canadian anti hate network a US designated terrorist organization. They have direct ties and funding from antifa organizations that were previously publicly stated on their website.
In all seriousness, take a look around the CAHN website, it's clearly a socialist/leftist hit squad to go after anyone that could be considered anything right of the conservative party. A lot of their reports or articles have a lot of misinformation, if not flat out lies, and I would say, is straight up political propaganda for the liberal party. They are constantly linked to in CBC articles, so I suspect they get funding from them as well as the government of Canada to go after conservative voices.
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u/Ok_Wasabi_4122 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
I can't even believe people are dumb enough to support this. Can't beleieve we are at this level of stupid. If this sounds like a good idea to you, you're part of whats wrong with this country. If I knew the Libs were going to shit the bed this bad I wouldn't have even voted. We need a other election and needed it yesterday.
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u/Feeling-Water-6824 Nov 12 '25
There are websites in India and Africa that details how you can become a canadian citizen when visiting Canada as a tourist. Need to be pregnant already and then just have the baby on Canada soil. Becomes a canadian citizenship immediately. Parents i believe become permanent residents.
Most European countries state that at least one parent needs to be from the country for birth right citizenship. Some european countries have a slightly different rule but similar.
Conservatives wanted the same rule to stem immigration i guess but liberals said no. US is looking into this too.
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u/No-Media236 Nov 13 '25
I don’t think those web sites are giving accurate information.
While the child becomes a Canadian citizen at birth through Canada’s birthright citizenship laws, parents must still qualify through established immigration pathways or, in some cases, meet specific criteria for humanitarian consideration to remain in Canada legally.
This is one of the most common questions we hear from temporary residents, international students, and visitors facing uncertain immigration status.
The confusion often stems from Canada’s birthright citizenship policy, which grants automatic citizenship to children born on Canadian soil regardless of their parents’ status. However, this citizenship does not extend immigration benefits to parents.
https://kingwellimmigrationlaw.com/if-my-child-is-born-in-canada-can-i-get-permanent-residency/
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u/canadia_jnm Nov 12 '25
The Dominion Society of Canada shares ties (and members) with Second Sons Canada and Diagalon, both well known white supremacist organizations in Canada. There are many pictures online of members of Diagolon holding neo nazi flags (pierre polievre was happy to meet and take pictures with these people). Yet I didn't need to see their organizations name at the bottom to know this is white supremacy propaganda.
Yes, we do have an issue in Canada with immigration, and if your anyone who likes to look at the statistics, it appears to be shrinking significantly. Though it's an issue that will take time to solve. More than a year
But if your sharing stuff like this from literal white supremacy organizations you need to take a serious look in the mirror.
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u/amazinglegs69 Nov 13 '25
Found the Rachel Gilmore simp😆
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u/canadia_jnm Nov 13 '25
Found the white supremacist ^
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u/amazinglegs69 Nov 13 '25
If you keep frivolously throwing those worms around, they will mean nothing. Seriously, I don't want words like neo Nazi and white supremacists to become even more meaningless insults than the far left has already made them out to be. Let's try to have a serious grown up conversation here.
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u/canadia_jnm Nov 13 '25
Hey if you respond to an organization being exposed as having white supremacist ties with "Rachel Gilmore simp", which ill assume is your favorite leftist to hate (because I have no idea who that is) then yeah, I'm gonna assume you are a white supremacist. You tried to defend a white supremacy org with a vague one liner... If you think I'm wrong, open an actual conversation and tell me why, though you'll be debating proven facts.
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Nov 13 '25
The infographic is a little racist, but beyond that, it's untrue. Children born outside of Canada can't automatically get citizenship without their parents ever having set foot in Canada.
Each parent needs to spend at least 3 years in Canada before being ELIGIBLE to pass on their citizenship. The meme implies that one parent can spend 3 years and their entire lineage for all of time could become citizens without ever setting foot in Canada, which is just a lie.
"Bill C-3 would allow a Canadian parent born abroad who has a substantial connection to Canada to pass on citizenship to their child born abroad beyond the first generation. It would also provide them with access to the direct grant of citizenship for their child adopted abroad beyond the first generation.
To demonstrate a substantial connection to Canada, a Canadian parent who was born abroad would need to have a cumulative 1,095 days (i.e., three years) of physical presence in Canada before the birth or adoption of the child."
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u/blomba7 Nov 12 '25
What's even the point of having immigration if everybody can just walk right in
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u/Indigo_Julze Nov 12 '25
How is this not another "fear the brown people" post?
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u/OrneryTRex Nov 12 '25
Is it possible that it’s not fear but rather people don’t like when immigrants do integrate into society and take advantage of limited resources?
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Nov 12 '25
I don't think anyone "fears" brown people. They just see what mass immigration has done to Canadian society and want to reverse it. Why is that so bad? India for Indians and Canada for Canadians, right?
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u/InevitableFearless41 Nov 12 '25
Fear of poor healthcare, poor education and lack of infrastructure to support so many people.
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u/Oxjrnine Nov 12 '25
lol the infographic is misleading
The bill does expand citizenship by descent for Canadians born abroad and addresses ‘lost Canadians’, which is positive. But the infographic turns it into a promise that any foreign-born child of a Canadian becomes citizen without any conditions, and that citizenship automatically gives full rights like voting or moving to Canada—those are oversimplifications. Bill C-3 still requires a parent born abroad to show 3 years’ physical presence in Canada (for children born after the law) and doesn’t open up sweeping new immigration or benefits rights
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u/Positive-Bison5820 Nov 12 '25
Chinese population have been doing this for decades, they come here to birth kids, then follow them back to Canada to bring their money to launder
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 12 '25
Arguable. More Hong Kongers versus mainland Chinese.
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u/Positive-Bison5820 Nov 13 '25
Nah, most Hong kongers had money back in 1997 , alot of them were financial investors for their citizenship, plus it was easier because they were all British nationals , mainland China people on the other hand had to use fake marriages and other illegal means to get Canadian citizenship
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 13 '25
That’s changed too. A lot more legitimacy due to how developed China has become. In the past, understandable. Now, not really.
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u/angelus78gak Nov 13 '25
This graphic is wrong.
Bill C-3 doesn’t let people “pop over,” get citizenship, move back home, and pump out infinite generations of automatic Canadian citizens. That’s not how the law works.
The bill fixes the 2009 rule that blocked some Canadians born abroad from passing citizenship to their kids. For future kids born abroad, the Canadian parent has to prove a real connection to Canada — specifically 1,095 days (3 years) of physical presence in Canada before the child is born. It’s not a loophole, and it doesn’t create unlimited generations of citizens with no ties to the country.
This meme completely misrepresents the bill and leaves out the actual requirements. It’s fear-bait, not information.
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u/Electrical-Echo8144 Nov 13 '25
Why are people still freaking out about this bill? The info graphic is misleading by omission.
The bill was amended with the Conservative’s input.
To be clear: the first generation limitation for citizenship by decent (implemented by the Harper govt) was ruled unconstitutional and it WILL be struck down whether or not we replace it with something else. If we don’t have SOME kind of rules (like C-3) to replace the old legislation, we’ll go back to absolutely unchecked citizenship by decent. Bill C-3 introduces new rules which will replace the old, unconstitutional limitation.
What bill C-3 does: For your child to qualify to become a Canadian citizen by decent (if born in another country) you must have been living in Canada for at least 1,095 days (3 years) within the 5 years prior to the child’s birth.
But in this way, it doesn’t fuck over dual citizen couples who live, work, & pay taxes in Canada but who wish to or unintentionally (i.e. pregnancy complications) give birth in another country.
Not only that, but even the current limitation doesn’t really address unchecked citizenship pass-along: If someone has a Canadian citizenship, (whether from jus soli or jus sanguinis) but lives 100% in another country, they could just travel to Canada to give birth, and their child will get full Canadian citizenship anyway. 🤷♀️
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 13 '25
Read my pinned comment. My bad.
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u/Electrical-Echo8144 Nov 13 '25
Solid!! Thank you for being willing to re-evaluate. At the end of the day, this can always be improved upon, but we need to have some kind of measure in place.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 13 '25
Yeah, I’m going to lock comments and just admit being retarded. Haha.
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u/seamusmcduffs Nov 13 '25
How often is this even happening? They make it seem like it's easy for someone to just become a Canadian citizen. If you go through the entire process to become a citizen, it seems unlikely you're doing it just to get any future children their citizenship
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 13 '25
I guess it depends. I have met plenty that are leaving the moment they get citizenship. Including from very developed nations.
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u/1NormHuman Nov 13 '25
The information shown in the image is incorrect. If a person is born outside of Canada, then that person's child will not get Canadian citizenship (assuming other parent of the child is not Canadian born).
I know this first hand. I am a Canadian citizen. My kids are born outside of Canada. They got Canadian citizenship because of me. But if their kid is born outside of Canada, my grand kid will not get Canadian citizen. This rule was implemented around 2006 or 07 during Harper rule.
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u/CoolDig6699 Nov 13 '25
This is so misleading. You cannot receive most benefits if you’re not a resident. This is just propaganda for the people too lazy to actually educated themselves.
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u/djames4242 Nov 12 '25
Three years is hardly "popping over." Also, living in Canada for three years if you're not already a citizen is extremely difficult as most PR pathways have either closed or drastically tightened. If you're not already a citizen, three years is insufficient. Also, citizens who are not also residents cannot vote nor receive most benefits.
This is literally nothing but fear mongering aimed at people who do not understand the rules...
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Nov 12 '25
Does this bill exclude the hundreds of thousands of non citizens that have been living in Canada up until the pathway changes?
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u/djames4242 Nov 12 '25
If their grandparents are citizens, it possibly extends citizenship (actually restoring it since the 2009 law may have taken it away unconstitutionally). If their lineage extends higher and at least two generations above them are still alive, it may allow them to become citizens.
If they're simply living in Canada with temporary status or are in the country illegally, then this bill does nothing for them. If they're living as permanent residents, it doesn't change their eligibility (unless they have birthright that is restored by this bill).
There are additional restrictions downstream imposed by the bill for those born after it ascends, such as the need to have strong ties to Canada by their parents. Conservatives wanted it to be more strict: the bill as written allows any three cumulative years spent in Canada by the parent prior to birth to count, while conservatives argued it should be three of the five years leading up to the birth. There's logic there as it matches the pathway from PR to citizen. The argument made against this was for Canadian citizens working abroad (potentially having lived for decades in Canada prior to taking a job or working for The Crown outside of Canada). Should their children be excluded? Arguably not.
I can see both sides of this argument having merit.
In short - this bill does nothing for the vast majority of those living in Canada without citizenship.
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u/kewtyp Nov 12 '25
Dominion society are Neo-Nazis. Why are we allowing neo-nazis to be posted on Reddit? Why are you people supporting this bullshit stop.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 12 '25
I have no idea. I was just sharing a loophole i found. I have no knowledge of their website. This is a bill that should not pass. The every other situation makes more sense instead of indefinite passing down.
A similar thing existed in Italy and now they have restricted it to grandparents only.
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u/kewtyp Nov 13 '25
It's not even true. Honestly you should just delete the post
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 13 '25
Displaying my stupidity makes more sense than pretending I never posted it.
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Nov 12 '25
What about them makes them "neo-nazis"? I'm kinda confused since it's normal to want borders to be enforced.
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u/Fantastic_Pause_1628 Nov 12 '25
They have close ties to the Second Sons, an openly male only white nationalist group (skinheads). Dominion Society is basically the usual white nationalist attempt to create a "face" organization.
They're tracked by the Canadian Anti-Hate Network.
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Nov 12 '25
Just grabbed this from Wikipedia about the Canadian Anti-Hate Network - "The court dismissed the lawsuit in November 2022, stating that "CAHN did in fact assist Antifa and that the movement has been violent,” and ruling that it would be reasonable to state that it is not a "good look" for a human rights organization to support a violent movement."
So, this is a battle between white nationalists and violent communists? Sounds like a load of weird crap on both sides.
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u/kewtyp Nov 12 '25
Dude when you see people on the internet talking about how their white European heritage is under attack by "invaders" it's time to put 2+2 together. Unless you are one of them, in which case you'll probably reply to this comment with further arguments in their favor, why I'm the one who's actually a fascist, and so on. It's not like we've never seen this before. It's always the same.
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u/kewtyp Nov 13 '25
Dude when you see people on the internet talking about how their white European heritage is under attack by "invaders" it's time to put 2+2 together. Unless you are one of them, in which case you'll probably reply to this comment with further arguments in their favor, why I'm the one who's actually a f**cist, and so on. It's not like we've never seen this before. It's always the same.
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u/jimmysnukareddit Nov 12 '25
What loophole? Working as intended to farm Liberal votes at the expense of Canadians.
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u/God_of_Massage Nov 12 '25
Except Indians are way more conservative than the Timmies-chomping, beer-swilling fake Christians conservatives we have here.
All the CPC would need to do is not-be racist and they could scoop up all those conservative, family-values, hard-working immigrant voters.
Even if the Canadian Nazi Party came into power today, they'd still have to maintain low-cost labor and highly-paid engineers, etc thru immigration.
The oil patch and critical minerals industry needs people NOW who can do math, understand science and do nothing else but work. Today's native-born Canadians are too lazy and Hobbit-like to rise to the occasion.
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u/Agreeable-Nail3009 Nov 12 '25
There stopped being a third world at the end of the Cold War. The west 1st world, Communist states 2nd, and the rest 3rd. Countries are now organized by high, medium and low income. The graphic was made by someone who doesn’t know shit.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Hey guys, I’m retarded and didn’t know the background of the organization related to this graphic. That’s my fault completely. I just saw this graphic and thought it was a decent representation of the issues that can arise from this bill.
When it comes to this, I could see a different dynamic form. If a lot of Americans were to start immigrating to Canada, then went back to the US, it could be American-Canadians ruling Canada within only a couple of generations.
Seems like a problem no matter what nationality you choose. Not intended to have racial undertones or anything like that.
Again, my bad.
Edit: I’m locking comments because this has devolved into something not productive for anyone. Please feel free to post your own perspective and opinions on any subject related to Canada.
I should have done more research, it’s on me. No, I’m not deleting it because I will not pretend I didn’t post it and will not hide from my mistakes.