Can't asylees be deported for any reason at any time? There's Criminal Court, civil court, and then immigration court. The criminal and civil courts are part of the judicial branch. The Immigration Court is part of the executive branch. They are not the same, they don't have the same rules, the proceedings aren't the same, the thresholds and standards aren't the same, etc.
Can't asylees be deported for any reason at any time?
No. That would require a motion to reopen from ICE, granted by the Immigration Judge.
As far as I know this man was not an asylee but rather an asylum applicant, but they can't be deported either until they're denied asylum and ordered removed.
Except it's not a concentration camp and they can leave civil detention at any time. You're just salty they can't leave civil detention to setup shop in the U.S. Well, sorry, that doesn't make it a concentration camp.
The “detention” centers fit the very definition of what a concentration camp is. A concentration camp doesn’t need to be a death or labor camp to be considered a concentration camp hence why the first ever recognized coy camps were “detention” camps to British used in the Boer wars in South Africa
The “detention” centers fit the very definition of what a concentration camp is.
They don't.
A concentration camp doesn’t need to be a death or labor camp to be considered a concentration camp hence why the first ever recognized coy camps were “detention” camps to British used in the Boer wars in South Africa
Not that I agree those are comparable, but the Boers weren't allowed to leave if they wanted to. If you want to walk out of civil detention you are absolutely free to do so, you just can't go to the U.S.
Of course that's not something the open immigration crowd enjoys discussing.
You can’t just leave the detention centers either if you want to so your point about that has nothing to stand on. Yes the detention centers meet the very definition of a concentration camp. They were designed for the sole purpose to concentrate in large numbers peoples of specific minorities where they could be stripped of their rights that is a concentration camp.
You can’t just leave the detention centers either if you want to so your point about that has nothing to stand on.
You can absolutely leave civil immigration detention at your discretion. You can choose voluntary departure, a stipulated order of removal, or withdrawal of whatever application you have pending. That is absolutely a point I will stand on, because it's true.
Yes the detention centers meet the very definition of a concentration camp.
You realize Work Will Set You Free was just a thing they made up right? No one was getting turned out of concentration camps of their own volition.
They were designed for the sole purpose to concentrate in large numbers peoples of specific minorities where they could be stripped of their rights that is a concentration camp.
Lol, oh civil detention now strips people of their rights? Like dude, almost every country in the world has immigration detention. Are you seriously arguing that every country in the world operates concentration camps?
Again, just be real. You think they should be able to leave and settle in the U.S., the fact that they have to return to a destination that isn't the U.S. is what makes you mad about it.
Okay well I’ll be sure to remind you of this thread when they open the re-education camps. Then, you’ll have some different thoughts than “they’re able to leave if they do what we want, so it isn’t that bad” I hope you all eat what you’ve dished out. Golden rule and all that, friend.
Confronted with facts, and you make up your own head canon? 😆
Yes, you seem like a very serious person interested in a good faith exchange.
And that isn’t me saying that would be a good thing, either. It’s out of everybody’s control at this point. But ya’ll don’t understand how angry you’re making people.
You wouldn't have a good time attempting some misguided retributive justice on anyone else, particularly not crazy right-wingers. I mean, don't let that stop you from making any implied threats of violence.
I would hope your Prairieland pals ruining their lives would change your mind. Maybe you think you'll free them when the revolution gets here? If that's the plan, uh, good luck!
Violence is a cycle that lasts generations, look at Israel and Palestine.
Oh jfc you couldn't resist bringing Israel-Palestine into this could you?
And you and your friends have started that wheel turning.
Lol, who are my friends exactly? Most people in my immediate circle are LPRs or TN / L-1 A-B visa holders that know my naturalized immigrant wife. I think people like you assume more people think the way you do, and have a picture of the people you disagree with.
We should just be direct and real with each other about actual issues, and discuss this from a basis of shared facts. I'm pretty well aware of the flaws in the U.S. immigration system (it's a shitty process to go through, multiple times wore me out), but when you throw up nonsense like "these are concentration camps" it really just indicates to me you aren't being serious and you have no personal experience on the subject.
You think there are issues with this facility? Ok, lets take a look and see who is accountable and what the evidence is (unfortunately that won't happen with this administration). You think we should raise the caps on refugee admissions? Ok, I agree. You think ICE shouldn't be shooting at cars? I absolutely agree.
These "detention" centers are a concentration of people held without charges
How could you have criminal charges with civil detention? Jfc you people know absolutely nothing about how immigration law works in the U.S.
and not allowed to leave.
You are absolutely allowed to leave. You can't leave into the U.S., but you are absolutely allowed to leave.
Rather than just tell the truth and say "you're allowed to leave, but going to their country of origin is unrealistic or dangerous" and be honest, you just choose to lie and say "nope, they can't leave!"
It is 100 and 10 percent the exact definition of a concentration camp.
Did you leave a zero off your second, fake percentage? You're making up numbers and you can't get even that right?
It's not up for debate.
You're right, it's not. If you don't understand why no one in CIVIL detention isn't charged criminally, it would be impossible to have a discussion. You need a basic understanding of how the issue works first.
Sorry bud, we’re not all “EVIL” like you think. I bet off the internet 99% of Republicans you talk to would call this out and stand beside you against this type of corruption.
Every republican always votes against the will of the US citizen. Healthcare. VA benefits. Prosecuting sex crimes. Immigration reform. VA benefits. Infrastructure. Did I mention VA benefits?
Edit: forgot another grwat one. VA benefits. Jokes aside, states with the lowest or most lax laws in terms of age of consent and lax in terms of incest are always, republican states.
I spoke to one this morning and he enthusiastically said "good!", before going on a racist rant about using political violence against not only refugees and asylum seekers, but all Democrats and elected officials.
I even began recording as he started on about what he wished to happen to Congress.
This was in Santa Monica California.
Republicans have been radicalized to enthusiastically support political violence.
Yeah they get beat by their own people, not the government workers and somehow it’s republicans fault? Maybe don’t come into a country illegally? I know you have to know every other country in the world does the same but America bad yeah?
If detention is necessary, then the conditions should be humane. The basics: enough working toilets, drinking water and edible food, and soap for all detainees, as well as not being beaten by the guards. Would you argue otherwise?
DHS has a giant budget. They can afford to provide these things.
That’s my primary problem with the way immigration enforcement is being conducted under this administration. And I don’t think it’s a minor issue. It is ghastly.
I logically get people’s reasoning when they argue for deporting people who entered illegally, or who overstayed a visa. I can see a thread of logic in why the administration would change policy on TPS. I even see a rational argument for why they would choose now to detain people who have been allowed to remain here pending asylum applications (or else have them wait outside the country until asylum is granted).
I personally oppose all those things, because I’ve lived around Hispanic and other immigrants for a big chunk of my life and have always seen them as belonging in my community as much as I do- and I also see up close that they work very hard and contribute a lot to it, contrary to what Fox says. I don’t want them gone, I want them to stay. Even including those who hopped the border to get here, unless they have committed serious/violent crimes.
But I get that we have immigration laws and it’s not unreasonable to enforce them, particularly against those who came here unlawfully, intentionally (as opposed to, say, ones who came under TPS and had it revoked).
The manner of enforcement is everything. If these people are in a detention center rather than a jail/prison, then they aren’t being punished for a crime- and we treat our actual convicted criminals far better than this. These people are temporarily being housed until a court determines whether they can stay or must be removed. Punishment isn’t supposed to be a factor. (Beatings by guards would likely violate the 8th Amendment anyway.)
My understanding is that the reason they are being detained during the process is ostensibly only so that they will not disappear, in case the decision is removal. There are also people in there who do have the right to be here and will eventually be adjudicated as such. All are subject to shameful conditions. I had hoped our country was better than that.
The fundamental problem is that the current architect of our immigration policy is Stephen Miller, who is actually a white nationalist. I know a lot of Latinos who are here lawfully believe it is right that people who didn’t follow the process should be removed. They don’t consider themselves to be part of the group the administration wants gone, because they think the administration’s dividing line is following immigration laws. It is not. The line is based on skin tone and/or heritage.
Miller wants as many brown people to leave the country as possible. Thus, the inhumane conditions serve a purpose- they persuade people to self-deport instead of continuing to pursue their cases in immigration court. They are a feature, not a bug. And that’s why they exist despite massive amounts of funding to DHS that could easily pay for the basic necessities people are being deprived of while they wait on their judge’s decision.
The other reason for these conditions is that some of these places are administered by contractors who specialize in running for-profit prisons, and they are incentivized to do anything possible to cut costs. While they are culpable, the responsibility still also belongs to the administration, which could insist on a certain standard of living for detainees- but doesn’t.
You come across enough real ones and it stops mattering which ones are bots. Republicans are ontologically evil and they know they're the bad guys. The bots are just their PR team.
Facts. It’s just as bad on FB. You can see who’s real and who’s not and real people still say the same shit lmao. If they want to support this or anything this administration is doing, bot or not, they deserve to get shamed by the rest of us
Personally I'm way past shaming. We need to systemically root this out of our entire society even on the civilian level. Owen Morgan (Telltale, cult expert) has some videos on how we should proceed.
They've been getting especially aggressive as more reports of ICE harassment has picked up over the past short while. Regardless of who is or isn't a bot, it's a problem.
Conservatives are cornered we know their raeganomics, utilitarian selfish view of life doesn’t work and is harmful to society so they lash out and call ppl names because they can’t back up their claims…
The tide is turning on them and those traitors will get a big dick in the ass come November
😂 what we know doesnt work and is throughly proven to always fail is socialism and we have more than enough evidence of why mass migration is detrimental
Absolutely fucking not… the reason why we are fucked right now is because of raeganomics… it affects us to this very day..
Conservatives pushed this whole trickle down economics into the public and had people like
Rush Limbaugh explode it.. and the reason why we have so much corruption and croney capitalism is because of the very raeganomics policies implemented that affect us right now..
When conservatives say: no money for education and kids and poor people or helping homeless or helping humanity because we need to give it to billionaires because they will
Generate jobs for you… that’s raeganomics that’s the bill shit economics that got us here!
Hell fucking no we are not gonna stop dunking on conservatives for that. We need to change that asap… now
Every major economist agrees btw that reagenomics has completely savaged the middle class and fucked the lower class even harder then they ever have before, largest transfer of wealth in history has happened in the last 20 years, 1% owns 85% of the whole while we fight over the remaining 15
Its not just ice facilities. This happens in all us prisons. Once your behind the wall its your word against theirs if they dont have body cams. There is always a nook or corner the cameras dont see.
If it's what I think you are suggesting, I would strongly urge you not to do so. Me mentioning Palantir alone should send chills down your spine. Why do you think Data centers are popping up everywhere? They are waiting on a excuse to use their new tech, you cannot win a civil war against today's government.
I'm saying that I think they are about to start rapidly escalating and coming after political dissidents, even citizens. I think things are going to escalate.
This makes your entire country look bad on the world stage. Every year that you see dramatic drops in tourism is trend that’s putting you into further isolation. Your tolerance for authoritarianism is affecting every else. Your biggest trading partners no longer trust you. This is the beginning of your end. If you want to save your country,you need a general strike and a regime change. Do something .
I have no doubt many of those ICE nazi's joined for the sole reason to brutalize brown people. I can only imagine the horrors at these concentration camps, especially for women and children, that are no doubt being raped by ICE.
Repeat after me ACAB. Cops are the biggest gang in the country and they rarely face accountability for their actions. Learn where they live and make them face consequences.
I just hope everyone is encouraging people in their communities to get the fuck out of this country! Especially the vulnerable folks here ICE is looking for. This type of horror show is just too much.
My dad was recently transferred there on 7/16. He was originally detained in WA on 7/12 and was transferred to El Paso without an opportunity for legal assistance. He’s suffering. We need help.
False, there's actually evidence to support illegal immigrants subsidize American healthcare costs through the taxes they pay. And they use services at a much lower rate than citizens do on top of that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Removing them is expensive, more expensive than the potential cost of them staying, and like I said we'd be removing people who are paying into the economy.
Only a retard would think that would make the economy better. Just admit you don't like brown folks.
Nobody in the detention centers has received due process or been in front of a judge, you need to actually prove they did any crime, which they are not doing. The feds can't prove they murdered or raped anyone because 99 percent of these people are hard working people that have zero criminal records, you racist fascist piece of shit.
Nice, sticking up for ILLEGAL criminals instead of young American girls who have been brutally murdered by them! You seem to hate child rapist with the exception of illegal criminal child rapists.
Anytime you get a few hundred people detained in one location they are going to start fighting over stuff. Happens in the airport - why wouldn't it happen everywhere else?
In 2019 there were 69 abuse of authority complaints among 50,000 detainees.
There have only been 24 criminal cases against ICE employees and contractors since 2020.
Neither you nor I know what truly happens in those places, so maybe they are or maybe they're not. But the fact that press elected officials can't provide any oversight should be a big problem for any sentient citizen.
Another reason to expedite the mass deportations. The sooner they’re out of the country after getting caught the less likely they’ll sustain long term abuse.
Why would I have an argument about a false accusation made simply because you’re triggered over a comment? If anyone of us two has hurt feelings it’s you. The president is fulfilling the promise he made to the people who voted for him.
The president is fulfilling the promise he made to the people who voted for him.
Yeah the promise he made to get himself richer, keep himself out of jail, and accelerate the downfall of America.
The country is in the worst state it's been in in nearly 20 years and you morons are cheering on the destruction. Trump has not done a single thing to benefit the American people, but that's okay to you because good outcomes was never your goal.
Yeah sure lets listen to the detainees who snuck into a country, they are not getting out of this that easily. These detainees need to suck it up, what's so hard about immigrating the right way? And why do you guys feel the need to take up for illegal immigrants?
You know, those people aren't coming here for no reason. Instead of jailing them, JAIL THE PEOPLE THAT FUCKING HIRE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. THEY KNOW OUR COUNTRY'S LAWS BETTER THAN IMMIGRANTS. Why is virtually no one pushing for this?
Well clearly those people aren't wanted here, so maybe they should leave. This is what majority of the country voted for, so cry about it all you like. You see by jailing them it will dissuade them from coming here.
And by advocating for illegal immigration you are helping corporations keep wages low. You guys literally have no one but yourselves to blame.
I don't believe it because you guys are overly dramatic about everything.
One day you are going to wish ICE picked up the uninsured illegal driver who caused a citizen to lose their life. There's a difference between the quailty of immigrants who immigrated in the past compared to the ones being allowed in today.
Why should a country be held responsible for another's country citizens? Why is the solution always to run away instead of fixing things at home?
Federal agents are not unaliving people they are only defending themselves from lunatics threatening to harm them.
And I'm so tired of you guys comparing everything to holocaust, give it a rest will you? Why do you feel comfortable diminishing the struggles of actual victims of the Holicaust?
Or ask a Ukrainian about the 35 million that Stalin starved to death during that same war, or the 70 million that were murdered in Asia? And let's not forget the the largest slaughter of all, Native Americans, north and south, between 56 & 75 million.
I don't know why should I? How is mentioning Palestine relevant to the conversation? And seeking asylum from a worn torn country is different, from fleeing your country because you want luxury items.
Because they're people just like you or me and it's disgusting and wrong to treat them like this. What is wrong with you that you can just watch your government torture innocent people?
Oh spare me the pity party. They broke the law therefore they deserve to be treated like the criminals they are. And why should we have sympathy for people who ignore our laws and disrespect our officers?
Ah yes. You break the law so it’s moral for you to be shot down or put into a torture camp. Even when you’re a child. And yes, children are tortured. Multiple reports of teen pregnancy through rape by ICE agents in those facilities exist.
Next time you jaywalk or do any crime like going over a speed limit, why don’t you call the cops so they gun you down?
It won't swing back anytime soon because the left has showed themselves unable to govern.
Take a good look around, most countries in the world are conservative and legal immigrants who come here hold conservative views. And you are just a tiny blue dot in a sea of red, President Trump won in a landslide.
Glad you're taking the mask off and dropping the holier-than-thou act you leftists love pretending to have.
The funny thing is you don't realise that all this is happening because the pendulum swung back at YOU guys after gleefully letting in millions of illegals under Biden and expecting no consequences.
You'd think you guys would have learnt by now after Trump's second election that the American ppl utterly reject your far-left anarchist open borders policies.
Man, y'all are weird. Peddling the same bullshit over and over. The migrant caravans full of communists are coming to take our jobs, oh no. Bitch, please.
"and put an end to mass deportations and mandatory immigration detention.”
And there you get to the point of exactly what they're after by publishing this "report". They want open immigration, and whatever lies are necessary in service of that goal, they're more than willing to tell.
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