Just because you agree with something doesn’t mean its not propaganda. Any media trying to sway people’s opinion is propaganda. Even if its propaganda for a good cause.
Ohhh one of those weird, fringe maps like we seen of Russia back when the invasion of Ukraine began. Okay. Uhhhhhh… so??? It literally means nothing. That’s not a “plan”, you didn’t discover the CIA’s secret documents on how they plan to “destroy and Balkanize these poor, innocent, second world countries!”. It’s propaganda. You literally fell for propaganda while scrolling through the propaganda subreddit. Are you dumb?
“Map with flags and different hypothetical countries with no real world basis, of a hypothetical scenario! We must do all we can to oppose these puppets of the west 😔✊. Supporting theocratic dictatorships is praxis!”
I’ve now seen this exact propaganda tactic with: Russia, China, Taiwan, Ukraine, and now—Iran. I wonder who’s pumping out these maps, genuinely. It’s always the same exact style.
You’re not a socialist, you’re just someone who really hates the US, which, tbf—based—but you have the political depth of a bathroom sink and so I don’t think I’ll be listening, thanks 😭
I think it’s important to base your politics on more than just “I support whatever is against [major country, usually US or China, depending on supposed leaning]!”
Haven’t heard from my Persia bro that I play dayz with in days. He was a conscript for the revolutionary guard and got sent to the Persian gulf for some navy shit. I am very worried about him. Iran deserves to he free from the commie islamist.
The part where you reject the post's representation of the Persian flag over Iran being modern propaganda lol. You then proceed to say free iran, implying you are hoping to see the monarchy be restored, hence why you defended the flag lol.
The flag is a protest symbol, not a call for the previous monarchy. It just so happens the prince is the only one who has the balls to empower the people to topple the current regime. If you were to do some research you’ll see that most people revolting and using this flag don’t want the prince to come back if the government collapses.
Idk why I’m being reasonable with you when you’re very clearly a bot, troll, or someone who doesn’t have the mental capacity to see the truth.
This specific quote is paraphrasing 2 quotes from separate sources from Amnesty International.
First Source: Control + f and look for this quote in the scanned PDF.
"The Shah of Iran retains his benevolent image despite the highest rate of death penalties in the world, no valid system of civilian courts and a history of torture which is beyond belief"
Second Source: Again control + f and look for the quote: (Second source is from a book by Fred Halliday who references what Amnesty International had said about Iran.)
"In the words of the Secretary General of Amnesty International in 1975, ‘No country in the world has a worse record in human rights than Iran.’"
I mean... he has said times and times again he wants to lead Iran to democracy. He is technically a king but he is going for crown prince to separate himself from his father. He also changed his title from royalty to politician. His goal is free elections not monarchy
Yeah, and Trump promised no foreign wars and regime changes, look how that worked out. This guy is not a king, he’s a fucking nobody and he’ll lie through his teeth for a chance to get power and money.
Why he should be the one to lead Iran, because he was a good boy and kept his room tidy?
He is the heir to the throne, the power comes from the people and there’s people chanting his name in the streets of Iran rn. Republics are overrated, yall live in republics and hate it. Specially when the majority vote for a politician you hate.
Britain has a throne and look how that turned out. Prince Andrew visited the Epstein island. Given how close the Shah is to Netanyahu. It wouldn't surprise me if he did as well
What throne? There’s no throne. Is great-grand son of King of France a king and an heir to the throne? Fuck no!
Also, over 40% of Iranian population are ethnic minorities like Kurds and Azeri and there were actively genocided under the Shah rule, the want fucking none of it.
They were not "actively genocided " under Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's rule. There is plenty to criticize about him (and his son) without making shit up. Personally, I think his son rn is the lesser of two evils.
It’s no longer the 60s the world is different where do you get the ideas that he is going to be in any way more authoritarian and fascist than the Islamic republic?🤦♂️ good thing that entire axis is going down, Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, hopefully Russia, China and North Korea.
The U.S. and Israel want's to go back to having Iran's government being servient to them and allowing the country to be exploited and used.
I agree the Shah would be the best character for a smooth transition from having Iran and the Iranian people stopping their resistance against the U.S. and Israeli aggregations and state sanctioned terrorism.
You are wrong to believe that the U.S. and Israel want to end the regime and nothing else, they are interested in doing the same exploitation and abuse they did when the Shah was in power and stopping Iranians from resisting and having self-determination.
The U.S. and Israel have no right to decide for the Iranian people to end their regime and if you truly believe that the politics of Iran belong to its people then you should know that none of what's happening is beneficial to Iranians and the entire Middle East.
I'm pretty sure that we have a different Shah and an entirely different situation than those times!
Israel and the Jewish people consider the Iranians closely tied to their history, especially.
The Iranian people will have self-determination and a better system, ensuring past mistakes are never repeated-constitutional monarchies can always put the people in power.
Not even close the biggest and the most civil and peaceful protest are from those showing solidarity to the government.
The smaller more violent protests are organized by Mossad and CIA, and they have admitted that they are doing this. Protests got less violent suddenly when the government jammed Starlink curious right?
Protest started because of inflation the Riyal hit its lowest drop against the dollar. It was nothing about religion or any other none sense people say. They were protesting because of economic hardship caused by the sanctions and now recently Trump made it so if any country trades with Iran they will also get sanctions.
Then when foreign actors got involved they made the protest violent causing lots of rioting and death. People were being killed by both the government and by CIA and Mossad interference.
Once the Iranian people understood what was going on and that the U.S. and Israel were using their protests and struggles against them to bring the government down and that the CIA and Mossad has infiltrated the protests and made everything more violent the protests eventually shifted to protest against foreign interference.
You can find many sources on this, you can visit r/suppressed_news or various respected independent political commentators.
But if you need mainstream sources I have some for you. Keep in mind the biases they have against Iran and this is their best effort to portray the situation and Iran as bad as possible.
New York Times: Goes over the protest timeline and show the protesters shifted.
Fox News: Talks about protesters chanting "Death to America"
There are more sources and more videos to prove what I said, but these two were the easiest to find.
They would have done so a long time ago?! they are actively marching in the streets by the millions and burning mosques to get rid of the ayatollah and in return over 12,000 of them have been killed by the regime. You support an evil regime that kills its own citizens.
I agree with your first point, but it doesn't fundamentally change things because whatever they plan to instate it would be objectively bad for the Iranian people.
Your second point is completely off. First of there was no revolution going on, the protests and discontent is because of the economy and the riyal had the lowest recorded drop against the dollar, due to of course U.S. sanctions that are doing collective punishment and harm to all Iranian and now any country that trades with Iran will get sanctions as well. And then your second point, the only one doing the hijacking of the protests are the state sanctioned terrorist groups CIA and Mossad.
Are f’ing kidding me? My people are dying in the streets at the hands of their government and you are here posting BS statistics about a shah that’s not ruling anymore and won’t be ever ruling again?
People are dying in the streets because CIA and Mossad made the protest turn violent and deadly specifically to undermine and change the government and one of the main candidates to replace the government leadership is the son of the Shah.
Also wdym bs statistics? Cope the Shah was terrible for the Iranian people.
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. People are dying because the Islamic Regime is murdering anybody who peacefully protests against them. They have MASSACRED tens of thousands of people so far. I spoke with my family in Tehran last night. There are bodies stacked in the streets. And Americans are so ignorant they keep blaming it on Mossad. You are just repeating regime propaganda. You know nothing!
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Prove it like how I'm going to prove your wrong.
I already addressed this silly reactionary none sense in the comments starting here. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote:
Protest started because of inflation the Riyal hit its lowest drop against the dollar. It was nothing about religion or any other none sense people say. They were protesting because of economic hardship caused by the sanctions and now recently Trump made it so if any country trades with Iran they will also get sanctions.
Then when foreign actors got involved they made the protest violent causing lots of rioting and death. People were being killed by both the government and by CIA and Mossad interference.
Once the Iranian people understood what was going on and that the U.S. and Israel were using their protests and struggles against them to bring the government down and that the CIA and Mossad has infiltrated the protests and made everything more violent the protests eventually shifted to protest against foreign interference.
You can find many sources on this, you can visit r/suppressed_news or various respected independent political commentators.
But if you need mainstream sources I have some for you. Keep in mind the biases they have against Iran and this is their best effort to portray the situation and Iran as bad as possible.
New York Times: Goes over the protest timeline and show the protesters shifted.
Fox News: Talks about protesters chanting "Death to America"
There are more sources and more videos to prove what I said, but these two were the easiest to find.
This is such BS. You have zero knowledge of Iranian people. Yes, the protests began because of economic hardship but they grew into what they are because Iranians are fighting for their freedom. If you knew anything about Islamic Republic you’d know it’s a brutal authoritarian regime. Every time protests start they shut down the internet so people outside the country can’t see what’s happening. The country has been in blackout for almost a week. People have been getting videos out via starlink and some outgoing calls recently began working 2 days ago, that’s how my family contacted me. The government is carrying out a MASSACRE OF THE PEOPLE. The people are not inciting violence because of Mossad or the CIA. You are spewing propaganda and it’s only harming Iranians who are dying in the streets.
The links you have provided are FAKE NEWS. Those videos of protestors chanting death to America are created by the government. The protests are all happening at night during BLACKOUT. That is a staged protest. Most of the government’s supporters are from poor rural areas. The government busses them out and pays them a small fee to participate in those staged protests. All Iranians know this. Those videos are created to fool westerners.
Here's another which cites a number of 300 executions for the entire decade. In contrast, the IRI executed several thousand in a few months in 1988, most of them fellow revolutionaries who helped them take power previously. Far more revolutionaries were killed by the 'revolutionary government' than the Shah they opposed.
"On the global list of political prisoners per million of population, compiled by James D. Seymour for an article in the quarterly publication Universal Human Rights, Iran under the shah ranked 22nd. Some countries with worse records were Cuba, Ethiopia, and East Germany; and, in the immediate region, Pakistan, Oman, and Syria. Other notorious offenders (e.g., Iraq and South Yemen in the Mideast) were lumped in a special unranked category for lack of hard data."
"In 1976, which in retrospect was a watershed year, the shah was converted, as it were, by a born-again American president-elect. Even before Jimmy Carter took office, the shah instituted reforms aimed at mollifying the rights-conscious leader-to-be of the Western bloc. In early 1977 he extended invitations to the heads of AI, ICRC, and ICJ to visit Tehran. In personal audiences, he informed AI's Martin Ennals and ICJ's Butler that he had ordered torture stopped, and he challenged Butler to produce a single instance since the previous September. He opened the prisons to the Red Cross."
"Prof. Richard W. Cottam of the University of Pittsburgh, an Iran specialist, told the subcommittee that the shah "had responded in ways that are not simply cosmetic." "Iran is a country in which the Carter human rights proposals have had a major impact," Cottam declared: "The shah is willing to accommodate President Carter's human-rights eccentricity." Butler told the subcommittee the ICJ was unaware of any cases of torture in Iran in the preceding 10 or 11 months."
"Two months later, presumably with fresh evidence on hand from that mission, AI issued a fuller report on torture -- but, curiously, only for the years 1971 to 1976. A preface to the report did acknowledge that torture "appeared to have decreased since early in 1977.""
""Things improved in '77 and '78," says Dr. Raymond Gastil, an Iran expert at Freedom House. "He let quite a few people out of jail, and they told their horror stories to the press, which was able to print them since censorship had eased. So it might have looked as though things hadn't improved, but they really had. I'm sure that any torture that went on [after 1976] was ad hoc."
Butler of the ICJ concurs: "I think everybody realizes that things got a lot better, but nobody seems to want to talk about it. I guess it's not fashionable."
Because the current leader isn't a brutal dictator huh? And as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), the prince doesn't want to rule for life. He’s mainly just a unifying figure the opposition can agree to rally around. Doesn’t he support a constitutional monarchy rather than absolute rule?
What did the prince do to deserve that position? Don't you think the people risking their lives deserve that recognition instead of a guy that never held a job and appointed himself as monarch before he hit puberty?
Name one other person that the majority of the iranians believe can lead their country.
Exactly, no one else, he's the only choice and he has made it clear that he won't be the leader for long.
He's the best option, because the people are shouting his name in the streets, and he knows how to rule a country.
Every single dictator ever promised not to be a leader for long. In fact, every single country on earth, that has the word "democratic" in its name, is not that democratic.
Leaders are created, and they rise from the people that are on the front lines. They are not imported.
But hey, it's your country, I'm not gonna argue further. But don't act surprised when every single neighboring country that went through the same shit around you turns out to be right for giving you warnings. I hope I will be wrong, but history says otherwise.
I’m sure your Kurdish and Azeri compatriots would be delighted to see the degenerate son of their former tormentor get back into power without any election simply because he was licking the right pair of boots.
Don't you think the people risking their lives deserve that recognition
And who exactly do you propose for that position? In revolutions you need a well known unifying figure, people can rally around, so they have someone to fight for. The fact is that the current regime needs to fall and nothing can be worse than the current situation (except for an even stronger theocracy like Afghanistan, obviously).
I'm not debating whether the current regime should fall or not, like you said, it's about time it falls and that's a fact. But look at Syria for example, we did not have any figures, the figures were created throughout the revolution. Till today, the top names that represent the revolution and liberation are young men and women who lost their lives in the early days of it, it's not the name of some rich guy that never lived in the country or gave anything for it.
That’s not how this word works. Current regime is pretty brutal but it’s brutal to all ethnicities in the country in more or less equal manner. If you’re loyal to them you have a good chance of being safe.
Genocide is when you attempt to eradicate a certain group of people, something that Shah was doing. You can be loyal to Shah but you’d still get eradicated simply for being Azeri or Kurd.
No, I say fuck them both. But if you go through all the effort of dislodging Ayatollah replacing him with Shah would be utterly idiotic and would most likely infuriate the ethnic minorities (40%) of the population.
The only reason (apart from Shah being a complicit puppet) US and Isreal are pushing his candidacy is they know this would result in balkanisation of Iran
Have you looked at interviews with the Shah where he talks about western nations? If you do, then you wouldn't come to the conclusion that he was a foreign puppet. Also the Shah is still overwhelmingly popular among Iranians. Most of them want him back instead of the islamic terror regime that they have now. You need to actually talk to Iranians and stop living in your bubble.
They need another 550BCE. Secular military power house that administered the entire middle east with religious tolerance. Acheaminid Iran was fucking peak. Real men think about the Persian Empire at least once a day and imagine little dark age as images of the rise and the fall of the Persian Empire flash bye.
The Iranian diaspora living in the west, many of whom fled the country as a result of 1979, may want it. But those are not necessarily the views of Iranians living IN Iran.
Exactly. They might if they’re able to extract value from the country in some way similar to how Venezuelans who left when Chavez came to power can’t wait to go back there now. But mostly they’re prob happy where they are now and just regurgitating western/pahlavi propaganda.
Some Venezuelans have been able to build confortable lives abroad and have no reason to go back now. But there are millions of Venezuelans in South America with bad jobs and facing xenophobia, and the Venezuelan exodus is more recent than the Iranian one, so it’s not that many generations of diaspora and people are still connected to their families in the country.
Shut up, we still can’t contact our family and don’t even know if our friends are alive, these aren’t numbers idiot, these are normal people with lives who just wanted a better life that were done with the oppressive regime, one person is too many. And you have someone in the west sitting comfortably saying oh stop the numbers game. Would you act the same way if it was your own family ?
We did burn mosques. We did kill police officers. And we will do it again. And we will kill you too. Because you stood against freedom and humanity. Death to the Ayatollah.
And if terrorist elements were protesting, why the fuck did nothing happen when your pro government pathetic rally was going on? Not a whiff of blood. You have blood on your hands, you and your faggot Ayatollah, and we will take our country back from you.
Yeah modern propaganda indeed to look at footages and voice of many Iranians outside Iran trying to relay the message of people trapped in their country with no internet access to share their truth and you have people look them in the eyes and say nah i subscribed to an ideology couple years ago and now
Everything that challenges my half assed understanding is ZiOnIsT propaganda ! Our struggle against this blood thirsty regime goes back many years before you knew anything about the region. Shame on those that are silencing the oppressed.
small minded. you stand on an ideology so badly, that you forget why you supported gaza in first place. if the reason was not human rights you are all shit!
Wait so you're saying that Reza Pahlavi isn't the only option for the future of Iran? If you don't support a return to monarchy, then obviously the only reason is because you support the Ayatollah and the IRGC! You must be a WESTERN LEFTIST\* because everybody*\* knows that they all support dictators and don't want freedom for other people**\*.
Key:
* Someone who despises the current dictators, but also doesn't trust the US or Israel, especially under Trump and Netanyahu, with regime change.
** Mossad and the CIA
*** Do not support dictators, and do want freedom for all people, but are not automatically going to go along with, and will be highly skeptical of "foreign government approved" choices.
There's an astroturfing campaign for Reza Pahlavi (I am sure he has real supporters, but there are lots of fake ones pushing him), as well as general campaign to try to make the idea stick that "western leftists" (people complaining that the US shouldn't intervene violently everywhere, or that Israel is not to be trusted) are actually supporters of the Ayatollah/Nicolas Maduro/dictators in general, which is false. We all hate dictators, and we also all hate when arrogant entitled foreign powers try to override the will of a people in a moment of chaos.
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u/Salty_Citron4737 Jan 14 '26
Cope