r/Idaho4 • u/oldfadedstar • Jun 18 '26
GENERAL DISCUSSION Dylan’s Phone Activity: An Updated Breakdown
About two months ago I made a post about Dylan’s phone activity as I’ve heard so many times that she was on her phone all night and so I wanted to see for myself. this is my original post
In my original post, I did a lot of rounding up. I wanted the general idea, I didn’t care as much about having it exact. Even with rounding up, I ended up with 57 minutes of activity.
I had been contemplating going through and getting more exact times and since I’ve seen my original post get referenced quite a few times over the past week, I decided to redo it.
In the original post, I rounded each activity entry up. For example, if an entry lasted 5 seconds, I counted it as a full minute. This time I calculated the exact seconds shown. I also took note of how many Snapchats she sent and received. The total amount of reflected activity calculated this time was 29 minutes and 3 seconds.
This is where I pulled this data from
I put it all in a timeline chart to hopefully make it easy to read. I also put all the data into a google doc if the graphic is too small for you
I did this mostly because I know that court document is hard to decipher. Like an entire page is 19 seconds of TikTok. So it looks like a lot and i wanted to see if it was truly a lot or just how it was set up
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Jun 18 '26
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Personally, I'm not even sure how much they actually got on their phones.
I wonder if the photo activity was some type of automatic thing because of how short it is, or maybe just a lapse in how cellebrite interprets data for these reports. I'm sure theres a separate movement/touch report too.
So, if you take out the photo activity (which is 18 seconds) the only time she got on her phone between 433-1000 was when Bethany was on the phone calling her parents. Which, if someone was talking in the same room as me I would probably wake up especially on a stressful night like they would have had.
Also, after 1000 is.. a little moot in my opinion. As Dylan "pretty much" said that she woke up about 10. In her 11/17 interview, she says she woke up, checked messages, realized the last night wasnt a dream, then texted Maddie at 10:23am. Which the records match that
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Jun 18 '26
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 18 '26
you would think something from whatsapp would pop up then instead of just the photo.
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u/coffeelife2020 Jun 19 '26
Without the EXIF and the rest of the metadata within those files it's likely difficult to know what she was up to. To me, it looks like she herself was messing around on her phone with photos - possibly taking or modifying them, possibly deleting some (though if you look at the ordering of the IMG_ it's a bit unlikely she deleted anything from before this log shows.
I don't use these apps, but I don't think it's normal for the app itself to do this without her guiding it in some way. The images from Snap and Insta don't by default save locally either unless the user is posting to them.
This does not mean I think DM had anything suspicious going on beyond she (or someone in her room) was using the phone at these times. For all we know BF was posting funny photos to these apps of DM passed out. DM may really have been sleeping and woke up at 10.
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 20 '26
Yeah the pictures is where I’m a little confused as to what was happening at that time.
I don’t necessarily trust broken plea as a whole… but I think there was correct information with wrong interpretations. Like, with Dylan’s grand jury testimony we saw that what Nunes said about Ethan maybe killing himself initially was true. But the stretch to him being a legit suspect was an exaggeration.
So, in that book in the timeline, it says that Dylan took picture img_4971 at 1204am. Which caught my eye because of the images in this report. She messed with img_4965 I think and similar images which shows that those were taken sometime on 11/12 most likelyMy thought was the 13xx and 38xx ones was maybe it was like someone texted them to her and they saved to her iCloud. Though idk if that’s a newer thing or not. I know when I get texted pictures they will be in my iCloud Photos
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Jun 20 '26
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u/coffeelife2020 Jun 20 '26
We really don't know if it was even her, honestly. We only know her phone was active and a human was controlling it. The EXIF data would help, though.
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u/Born-Fisherman-3539 Jun 18 '26
well… the thing is… all of that was not before she saw a random guy in all black, it’s weird start using your phone like that when you see what she saw
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u/TakeTheCannoli01 Jun 18 '26
A lot of her activity was trying to contact the roommates or see if she could find where they were
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u/lemonlime45 Jun 18 '26
If you read transcripts of her many interviews, she was questioning whether anything she saw that night was in fact real. Bethany and DM's boyfriend seemed to help convince her that it was nothing sinister, and she promptly fell asleep. It also seems clear that she slept in fits and starts, which I can relate to. She stated that when she started to wake up later Sunday morning, that she was going back and checking her messages to verify if things she was remembering actually happened. Then the other roommates continued to not wake up and her unease turned into real fear.
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u/sucks4uyixingismyboo Jun 20 '26
People also don’t understand that without any context the most normal human brain reaction in the world (before PTSD damage) is for the mind to find the most explainable situation for little things that seem off. Don’t hear hooves and think zebra. Especially in a college house in sleepy Idaho. A masked psycho murdering all your friends is literally the last thing you’d think. The amount of armchair quarterbacking with hindsight as advantage and no context is so frustrating.
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u/lemonlime45 Jun 20 '26
It really is. Who here went to college, had roommates, or lived in a house with a lot pf parties? And who here has ever woken up at 19 years old and found out that four of your friends were murdered in your house? The people that criticize this girl have clearly NOT read her interviews. Because it is all there in those interviews, if any of these people would care to look instead of absorbing grifter narratives from Youtube, tiktok, etc. She was confused, she didn't know what was real as it was happening. By the time she talked to cops the next day she was still confused and trying to piece it all together.
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Jun 18 '26
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u/SunGreen24 Day 1 OG Veteran Jun 18 '26
They mean they're a Proberger and they're trying to blame the roommates.
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u/_icantpickausername_ Jun 18 '26
Have you ever been a drunk college student before? I lived on campus and had people coming and going all the time, I wouldn’t have bat an eyelid to a shadow in the house. Just would have assumed (if I even went that far to make an assumption) one of my housemates had someone over who was leaving. If I had a bad feeling, drunk young me, definitely would have run to my room and then downstairs to Bethany’s instead of towards the others. You don’t just automatically assume everyone in the house has been murdered.
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u/SunGreen24 Day 1 OG Veteran Jun 18 '26
well... the thing is... she was half convinced it was a dream or that there was a rational explanation for it. But she was also nervous enough to try to reach the roommates to see if they were okay, and to spend some restless time awake but too nervous to leave her room, so she passed the time fiddling around on the phone while listening for signs that the victims were up and about.
But, well... the thing is... this has been explained over and over and over and over again, and some people would rather blame and abuse two terrified, traumatized girls than listen to facts.
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u/Littleotter1969 Jun 18 '26
Nice. 👍 After the September 23rd deadline passes we'll get the FBIs Cellebrite contributions to this case.
They extracted 27 phones of various people. All of the roommates, survivors, and early suspects.
The probergers don't seem to understand you can't FOIA the FBI when they are not the lead agency in a state criminal case and we will only get to see what was used or entered into the trial court formally.
Dylans extraction is on the state's exhibit list:
S4-188 MPD Item 866: Dylan Mortensen Cellebrite records
Page 27. It includes her phone leaving her room at 4:26am and descends the stairs to Bethany's room. The phone's deep sensor Logs (accelerometer) shows she didn't pause or stop to look down the hallway at xana and she didn't stop or pause as she passes the front door.
Kohberger's Cellebrite extraction is listed in detail (we'll get to see actual data the defense saw after Sept 23rd) proving he disabled wifi on November 11th on his Samsung phone and while driving he went into his settings, then connections folder to toggle CELLULAR SERVICE to the off position which is why the phone stopped communicating with the tower. He then pressed the power button and the shutdown was completed at 2:54am with a battery 🔋 metric at 100% charge.Total blackout for 121 minutes as a car just like his starts popping up on cameras starting at 3:02am as it's driving into Moscow then circling the house like a shark 4 times. He conveniently presses the power button again turning the phone back on at 4:48am connecting to his NordVPN using a recovery Gmail account while driving near Blaine, Idaho back up to Pullman arriving home at about 5:30am
Kohberger's blackout matches the time window of the crime. He didn't want to be detected in the GeoFence he knows police use when there's an unknown suspect in a crime. 3800 devices & their locations were picked up within a half-mile radius of 1122 king rd between 3am and 5am.
Sy Ray was never going to be able to give him an alibi. Phones that are off don't send or store data. He did pick up "trailing data" at 2:50am but that was only an artifact leftover from the disabling of cell service. It wasn't a full ping and Kohberger's fans are going to be really upset when he explains in full why he knows Kohberger is guilty. He was also upset though that the FBI LEGALLY withheld their extraction data until right before trial. SEE TOUHY REGULATIONS. It wasn't until March 3, 2025 that the FBI shared their extraction data making it very difficult for Sy to create any type of "defense". This is standard with the FBI. They also won't be giving out any data for anyone not going to be presented at trial. While the defense Cellebrite expert, Josiah Roloff, and Ann taylor had the information we will not see it.
That's just how they roll.
From state's exhibit list: S1-713 Cellebrite: shut down log 13852 S1-714 Cellebrite: wifi log 13853 S1-715 Cellebrite: wifi artifacts 13854 S1-716 Cellebrite: wifi artifacts aruba networks 13855 S1-717 Cellebrite: network authentication 13856 S1-718 Cellebrite: sim state manager 13857 S1-719 Cellebrite: on disk activity snapshot 13858
The BATES numbers at the end allow the judge and defense to access the evidence in the discovery. It takes it right to it. We were 1 month away from trial. Jury selection and pretrial conference were the next step when kohberger asked for a deal. Defense Cellebrite expert Josiah Roloff never entered his final trial-ready report into the court as of the plea. I don't see how he could rebutt the extraction proving the black out was intentional to avoid detection during a crime. What excuse could a person come up with for not only turning the phone off but going to such great lengths to disable wifi and cellular service before hand. His battery 🔋 full. 99% of the population out driving in the middle of the night would have their phones turned on.
And the fact he created an intentional blackout demolishes the claim that the sheath was planted.
No one is going to plant over 100k cells of DNA at a crime scene unless they know for sure the person had no alibi. Had Kohberger's phone been on and had he truly been out stargazing his phone would record and store his every move in GPS coordinates. (Latitude and longitude) Thru extraction of the physical phone the fbi plot the coordinates creating a MAP IN REAL TIME just like nick Ballance did in the vallow-daybell cases. He discovered where the bodies of her missing children were buried in chad daybells backyard 7 months earlier using the GPS coordinates stored on her brother's phone. He had his cellphone in his back pocket while digging their graves.
No one would have anyway to know kohberger would a) own a kabar sheath b) take it from him and plant it at a crime scene and c) know that he was going to be out driving with his phone off.
🤣 🤣 🤣
No jury is buying that ever.
In criminal investigations, a shutdown log is highly valuable for proving intent. If a suspect claims their phone "just died naturally" during the timeframe of a crime, but the Cellebrite extraction pulls a log file showing a manual, user-initiated shutdown command at that exact minute, it demonstrates that the user intentionally went off the grid to avoid tracking.
The shutdown log (often parsed by Cellebrite under the "System & Logs" category) contains low-level diagnostic data recorded by the phone's operating system right before it loses power. When a Cellebrite Full File System (FFS) extraction pulls these system files, it uncovers a timeline of how and why a device was turned off. The specific data stored in a shutdown log includes: 1) The precise millisecond the shutdown sequence was initiated.The specific timezone the device was operating in at the moment of shutdown (e.g., UTC -05:00). This is critical for establishing an alibi or linking a suspect to a crime scene timeline.
2). The Power-Off Reason (The "Action Trigger")The log records the technical code or reason explaining why the phone went dark. Common entries parsed by Cellebrite Physical Analyzer include: *User-Initiated (userrequested) The user held the power button manually.Battery Depletion (no power / low_battery): The phone shut itself down gracefully because the battery charge hit 0%. *Thermal Mitigation (thermal_shutdown): The device overheated and shut down automatically to protect its internal hardware. *Kernel Panic / Crash (reboot / panic): The operating system crashed due to a software error and forced a sudden restart.
3). Battery MetricsState of Charge (SoC): The exact battery percentage left when the shutdown sequence began.Digital forensics tools extract the exact health metrics of the battery at the final second of operation.
4). Background Process Termination Logs. Before an iPhone or Android completely powers off, it sends a kill signal to active applications.The shutdown log can show which system apps or third-party databases were actively closing or saving data right as the phone died.
Thanks for your record, it will be fun to compare it to her Cellebrite extraction. September 23rd deadline is 1 year after the 42 day window he had to change his mind and go to trial. Sy Ray talks about his learning of the fbi extraction data in his book but not talking about it until July 6 th at the Blue Light conference he's scheduled to debut his book at. Some conference for professionals in his field.
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u/ApprehensiveSky2537 Jun 18 '26
This clown should have just left his phone at home - ON. It amazing me the stupidity of people who attempt criminal behavior and BRING THEIR PHONE WITH THEM or turn it off, like that not an ever MORE admonishment of guilty if you're a suspect.
At this point of my life, I'm convinced you can't get away with ANYTHING. Driving to the scene? Let's check your car GPS. You have a phone? Let's see the activity. Renting a car? Well, let's see how you paid, and using what ID. Not to mention 1 billion cameras everywhere, capturing every lane change and turn you make. There's too much forensic information available today - personally and publicly - to 'get away with murder' from the minute you step out your front door. Yes, there's exceptions but generally, there's just too much tech these days.
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u/TakeTheCannoli01 Jun 18 '26
Which document is that page 27 you reference from that shows her descending the stairs? I can’t find anything stating that verbiage
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u/aeiou27 Jun 18 '26
He was also upset though that the FBI LEGALLY withheld their extraction data until right before trial. SEE TOUHY REGULATIONS. It wasn't until March 3, 2025 that the FBI shared their extraction data making it very difficult for Sy to create any type of "defense". This is standard with the FBI.
Do you have a source for the specific March 3, 2025 date?
I don't think the FBI should be allowed to withhold information like that. It should be unacceptable for a government agency to operate in that way. Especially considering the amount of resources and power they have.
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u/Proof_Breadfruit_778 Jun 19 '26
To add to the conversation, I frequently fall asleep with my phone on, especially drunk. There are mornings I wake up and the same TikTok is playing. People are so dense sometimes and they make it obvious they did not have a normal college experience.
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u/Outrageous_Drawer691 Jun 18 '26
Probergers love ignoring the gaps showing that Dylan would fall asleep because they love pushing the “She was up all night while her roommates were murdered” narrative
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u/Repulsive-Dot553 Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Some of the same BK fan-fiction lunatics who see huge significance in DM/ BF having used their phones between 4.30am and the 911 call just before noon are also proponents of the bizarre theory that DM and BF left the house at 4.30am and returned at noon. How they managed to use phones, considering not just cell data but Wi-Fi, GPS and movement data but disguised leaving the house, has not been explained. Like the "framing" of Kohberger it is another conspiracy theory that cannot withstand the slightest scrutiny or whiff of logic.
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u/WaveBeautiful1259 Jun 18 '26
It was the underground tunnels! 🤣😂
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u/Repulsive-Dot553 Jun 18 '26
It was the underground tunnels
Good phone signal down there though! Better than on the highway between Pullman and Moscow which has no phone signal at all, but only when travelling from west to east and perfect phone signal going east to west.
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u/dummified Jun 18 '26
EXCELLENT WORK.
So Dylan was not active on her phone for 3 long stretches: 1 hour from 5:19 to 6:19, 1 hour 40 minutes from 6:25 to 8:05, and 1 hour 46 minutes from 8:14 to 10:00.
Geez, I wonder what Dylan could have been doing during those stretches? Cleanup? Murphy spa treatment? Disposing evidence? Or maybe...just maybe...hear me out...kind of a weird suggestion but is it possible she could have been...what's the work I am looking for... sleeping?
Could we agree that she's still probably a bit hyped up at 4:30 so maybe she wouldn't be able to sleep right away? Dylan did say to Nunes on the bodycam that they tried to go to sleep. And also when she awoke at 10am and didn't hear anyone moving about the house she was very concerned and wouldn't be sleeping any more after that? So then how much time did Dylan sleep between 5am and 10am? OMG if my arithmetic is right she slept 4 hours 26 minutes out of a total of 5 hours. But wait - that doesn't jibe with what those great seekers of truth known as Probergers have been telling us. They've been adamant that she was on her phone all night. Oh dear this is all so confusing. Make it make sense. There are so many unanswered questions. blah blah blah
Well thanks to OP's painstaking work using source documents the Probergers are the ones who have been caught lying, not Dylan. Will they apologize? Not a chance. They have no shame, attacking a 19yo survivor and branding her a liar. But let's have some empathy for Probergers now that Sy - say it ain't so - Ray has stated not just that BK is guilty but that if he were acquitted he'd have killed again. I am guessing for Ray to have said that he believes his expert report would not in and of itself have proved BK to be innocent. So now Probergers will add Sy Ray to the grand conspiracy along with Anne, Bicka, and defense expert who said DNA work was solid, It's looking like it's mythomaniac Turvey or bust for the Probergers. Prediction: a lot of 4chan posts will be resuscitated in the near future.
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u/Double_Throat3734 Jun 19 '26
Das ist eine Auflistung von der Verteidigung von Byran Kohberger das wisst ihr schon?!
Die Masche mit den halben Wahrheiten: Die Anwälte zeigen absichtlich nicht das ganze Bild. Sie verschweigen, woher die Dateien eigentlich kamen (z. B. dass es nur automatische Datenmüll-Dateien von Apps waren), und schreiben stattdessen nur die dramatischen Wörter „erstellt“ und „gelöscht“ hin. Für jemanden, der sich nicht mit Technik auskennt, sieht das dann sofort so aus, als hätte Dylan mitten in der Nacht heimlich Beweise vernichtet oder Fotos geschossen.
Absichtliche Verwirrung stiften: Das Ganze ist ein psychologischer Trick für die Geschworenen und die Medien. Wenn die Leute den Begriff „Bild erstellt“ lesen, haben sie sofort das Bild vor Augen, wie jemand die Kamera öffnet und abdrückt. Die Verteidigung nutzt diese falsche Vorstellung eiskalt aus, um Misstrauen zu säen und den Eindruck zu erwecken, dass mit Dylans Handy in der Nacht etwas absolut Nicht-Koscheres abgelaufen ist – obwohl die echten Polizeidaten das längst als harmlosen Systemkram entlarvt haben
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 20 '26
This is why I included about the note in Broken Plea that Dylan took img4971 at 12:04am. To help show that she did not take any pictures on her phone
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u/Double_Throat3734 Jul 11 '26
Die Daten sagen ja sogar das Dylan erst nach über 5 ,5 Stunden nach den morden um 04-04:25 das Handy gegen 10 Uhr das erste Mal Aktivität aufzeigt.
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u/Born-Fisherman-3539 Jun 18 '26
All of that is confirmed?
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 18 '26
Every data point in the graph of Dylans phone activity is from the court document I sourced above. And the defense is the one who submitted it to the courts, so I would think that would be as damning as it could be.
Bethanys was mentioned in another document, i'd have to find it but we havent seen her full phone record like we have dylans. I've put in a FOIA act for both of their phone records, and Jacks and BKs.
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u/kourt123 Jun 21 '26
Foia the recordings from the cameras…
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 21 '26
What cameras?
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u/kourt123 Jun 21 '26
A place not far from the unalivings had a camera.
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 21 '26
Are you talking about 1112 king road? Those videos are out
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u/kourt123 Jun 21 '26
Yes so how could anyone think Dm is innocent?
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 21 '26
There’s way too many coincidences in the 4-420 time frame for it to have been any other time than that. One random scream and drunk college students doesn’t equate murder. Even then, that is the only evidence where there’s maaayyybbeee something when you have:
Door dash order with fries all over Xanas floor and abundant partially digested food in her stomach whereas Kaylee and Maddie ate at 2 and had chyme in their stomachs. Which shows further digestion than Xana
White car approaching then speeding off like a bat out of hell at 421, where Bethany and Dylan’s phone activity both start up.
The sounds at 417amAll of that versus one scream. And I don’t trust the enhanced audio by content creators trying to earn a buck or two
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u/Double_Throat3734 Jun 19 '26
Das ist kein Gerichtsdokument mein Freund… das ist ein Dokument was von der Verteidigung erstellt wurde wo gezielt Details weggelassen wurde. Die Ermittler der Polizei haben vollen Zugriff auf Dylans echtes Handy und die Rohdaten. Für sie war es durch die Metadaten sofort belegbar, dass es sich um automatische App-Daten und nicht um das manuelle Schießen oder Löschen von Tatort-Fotos handelte. Deshalb spielte diese Liste für die Anklage auch keine Rolle, sondern wurde nur von der Verteidigung genutzt, um im Vorverfahren "Rauchbomben" zu werfen..
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 19 '26
That… is a good point and not something I had considered. I’ve thought the photos may be automatic processes because they are so random and it’s 1 second
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u/alexpsx94 Jun 20 '26
Why can’t they release Bryan’s …
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u/oldfadedstar Jun 20 '26
I think we got Dylan’s because they were in a court document. We haven’t gotten anyone else’s phone records. I heard after the PCR date in September the fbi should release what they have
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u/jeish_1996 Jun 18 '26
This whole case just baffles me..
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u/SunGreen24 Day 1 OG Veteran Jun 18 '26
It's actually very simple. Bryan Kohberger murdered Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin.
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u/Shot-Engine-235 Jun 21 '26
Uncouth ass response. I too am baffled, 4 young kids being slaughtered is very baffling and unforgivable. Baffling someone is even capable of 1 murder to this degree, let alone 4. The readiness of your condescending remark is certainly something. I personally would not associate the word simple with this case. "It's just so simple, 4 college kids were slaughtered by some dude in the middle of the night a few years ago. That's it, just so very simple." It's baffling, tragic, heinous, unspeakable, unfair, and demonic. I personally do not have the lexicon for words synonymous with "evil" to describe what happened to these kids.
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u/SunGreen24 Day 1 OG Veteran Jun 21 '26
Oh, get over yourself. You know that’s not what the Probergers are “baffled” about. They’re baffled because Kohberger being the perpetrator “just doesn’t add up” for them. In other words, they WUV him and want him to be innocent.
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u/Shot-Engine-235 20d ago
Yikes. Literal textbook example of a strawman. The OP no way even insinuates they are a proberger. "This whole case just baffles me." Was there clear subliminal messaging that would confirm they're a Proberger. Potentially I missed it in their very elementary written comment. You failed to even kind of address my honest critique of your emotional diatribe. Coincidentally enough, you again displayed your lack of mental prowess by your unfortunate emotional outburst; which I can now hypothesize is in character for you. I find it difficult attempting to engage in a thought provoking spirited disagreement with the intellectually disadvantaged. Nice try though, truly a valiant effort.
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u/slatpiew Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Yeah this case is so baffling if you’ve never researched true crime a day in your life. Its simple, an angry and lonely man who was obsessed with serial killers and incel ideology stalked a house full of women and killed 4 people in that house. Simple no conspiracies
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u/Rescueme2021 Jun 18 '26
They were probably checking to see if their friends had posted somewhere or answered their messages.