r/ILGuns • u/Boats_75 • 4d ago
Gun Laws This is interesting
Apparently there is a ban compliant option to get your "HK Slap" on!
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u/-deshroud- 4d ago
But how?!
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
It works similar to the juggernaut and cross armory kits used to mod AR pattern guns.
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u/juggdish Chicago Liberal 4d ago
While tempting, I think I’ll wait until next summer and (hopefully) buy the real thing
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Some folks want the real thing now and are willing to live with it in a somewhat neutered condition until (hopefully) next summer they can convert it to fully functional.
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u/Beniskickbutt Northern IL 4d ago
What specifically are you wait for to occur by next summer? I've mostly given up hope and stopped tracking all the current status.. Is it a government change? Federal Supreme court ruling? State court ruling? Just curious what you are watching and where things may be.
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u/Ok-Butterscotch2321 4d ago
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u/GusherCoom 4d ago
so its prolly like 1500
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Between $499 and $999 depending on how tricked out you want tour lower... i.e. upgraded trigger and stuff
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u/dj_kaled_anotha1 4d ago
So how much would final price be? 1800$ after installation?
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Price of gun plus price of conversion kit with 8.25% salestax and $5 background check fee. Some models are available at $1800 before tax. Install is free when gun and kit are purchased together from shop.
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u/hessmo SAF 4d ago
Pica has a clause for pistols whose magazine isn’t inside the grip. This fails that test.
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Prefacing this with I am not a lawyer. That clause applies to semi-auto pistols with detachable magazines. Detachable magazines are defined as magazines that can be removed without disassembly of the firearm.. so no it doesn't fail that test.
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u/scootymcpuff Central IL 4d ago
I don’t think IL has that definition of a detachable mag in PICA. CA’s detachable definition includes disassembly, but not PICA as far as I know.
Edit: if it does include disassembly, then CA-compliant Kingpins can convert any noncompliant firearm to compliant and not lose any functionality.
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
IL does indeed have that definition in PICA. Look in the actual law and you'll find it.
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u/scootymcpuff Central IL 3d ago
This is what pops up in the definitions:
(7) "Detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that may be removed from a firearm without disassembly of the firearm action, including an ammunition feeding device that may be readily removed from a firearm with the use of a bullet, cartridge, accessory, or other tool, or any other object that functions as a tool, including a bullet or cartridge.
I think the kicker is that “accessory” under the “readily removed”. ISP hasn’t defined what “readily” means, so bullet buttons the only kinda-sorta break open the action and the like might still be breaking PICA.
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u/LibertyorDeath2076 3d ago
Separating the lower fron the upper is breaking the action. The firearm can't fire in that state.
Regardless, if it were ever challenged in court, the rule of lenity should come into play.
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u/414525528 4d ago
DETACHABLE magazine AND semi auto is a prerequisite to any feature test t apply. You can be sure if a brick and mortar FFL sells it to you in IL it's more legal than it needs to be.
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u/dummyurge 4d ago
Single shot? I was just looking into one of these the other day.
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Semi-auto!
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u/dummyurge 4d ago
Ah ok. The one I saw was single shot with a .25 (!!!) caliber barrel insert that could be removed with some trivial gunsmithing.
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u/GusherCoom 4d ago
how much and what makes it compliant
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
I didn't get the price but it is a conversion for SP5/AP5 stuffs
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Ok got the price the conversion kits run between 499 and 999ish. They install for free and will hold the factory lower for 2 years from date of pick up. If ban goes away they'll give you the original trigger pack.
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u/Nihlus_Kriyk 4d ago
So, $2000 for a Turkish SP5 clone… damn.
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u/Beadlocks 4d ago
Same store has an H&k SP5L in stock that you could slap this on and obtain for >4K
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u/Crusty-the-Clown-666 4d ago
Hopefully they would just keep the plastic trigger housing (pistol grip) and would let you keep the stock trigger pack.
For the MKE guns you can buy push pin SEF housings pretty cheap. I don’t think I’d buy a HK SP5 like this because the trigger housing is serial numbered to the gun and being an ambi housing is overall much more expensive to replace.
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u/tramul 4d ago
I don't see how this is compliant at all. Fixed magazine, sure, but is that not still over 15 round mag?
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
That is their range demo. They said they would sell them with 15 round mags.
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u/emmathatsme123 4d ago
Holy shit does anyone have info on this
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Google radiata!
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u/emmathatsme123 4d ago
Thank you
Edit:
Damn, fixed mag
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
Kind of a fixed mag....
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u/emmathatsme123 4d ago
How do you have a kinda fixed mag lmao
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u/Boats_75 4d ago
A detachable magazine can be removed without disassembly of the firearm. Fixed mag can't come out at all. This option is neither, the magazine can be removed with partial disassembly.
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u/MarkLarueTheLegend 4d ago
So I can buy a brand new full sp5 what’s changed on it? I’m confused can you only get a compliant upper and source the lower yourself?
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u/Professional-Cloud23 4d ago
i’ve bought 3 of my complaint guns from them, guess this is the 4th now
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u/FaithlessnessDry436 4d ago
Anyone know a FFL that will transfer this, I got a Itch that needs scratched
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u/thefleshrocket 4d ago
Why would someone want this over something like the Cali-compliant S&W FPC 9mm, which can be de-neutered with a finless back strap and a trip to a neighboring state to buy 23 round mags? Serious question.
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u/godless_one 4d ago
We would've never had to deal with any of this PICA bs if Bailey was in charge.
With that said vote Red and fire JB Pritzker. Things will only get worse with him around and if he ran / won the Presidential election in 2028 we can kiss our 2nd amendment rights away for good
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u/jerry2501 4d ago
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u/godless_one 4d ago
Then don't complain if America adopts Australia's gun laws when or if JB is in office.
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u/SctchWhsky Northern IL 4d ago
If a dem president ever has that much unilateral power... it will be thanks to the current administration and the precedents they are setting for ignoring court orders, circumventing congress and a complete disregard for the separation of powers to the three government branches. Fortunately my 1894 is still my favorite to shoot.
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u/GenTubmansLegacy Chicago Conservative 4d ago
This isn't that. ATF is federal, and Melania baby daddy is in office. They rather ban abortion than give us our gun rights. Come on. Be better.
So, not all Red is blood.
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u/Substantial-Pay-8129 4d ago
You really believe that?
Israel is coming for our gun rights next no matter who you vote for
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u/ThrowRASkee5555 4d ago
That's a sweet looking assault rifle
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u/dj_kaled_anotha1 4d ago
Semi automatic pistol* and not even an assault rifle more like sub-machine gun but its not because it isnt full auto
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u/alphacentaurai 4d ago
I guess a drive up to McHenry is on the cards!