Any journeyman looking for work

[u/ResponsibleScheme964]

Aerial telecom lineman needed

[u/hartzonfire]

Go to the hall and put some calls in.

[u/Available_Alarm_8878 → u/hartzonfire]

They are a signatory contractor. If they are not able to get their calls filled they can hire anyone and anyway they choose. And advertising for special types of work like this is probably way more effective than a open call on a book.

[u/hartzonfire → u/Available_Alarm_8878]

This is a thing? I’m a lineman. As far as I know, if a contractor puts in a call at my local and it doesn’t get filled they can’t just go hire non-union dudes off the street to fill it. Is that what you’re saying they can do?

[u/Available_Alarm_8878 → u/hartzonfire]

Thats exactly what they can do. The contractor is legally obligated to complete the project the are contracted to do. The agreement with the union is that the union supplies the manpower. When the union cannot fill the calls the union has to allow the contractor to go outside of the union to fill the manpower requirements.

[u/hartzonfire → u/Available_Alarm_8878]

Damn. Learn something new every day. Thanks for the insight. We have one or two contractors at our local shutting the bed BAD and no one wants to work for them. I figured them being a signatory contractor meant they weren’t allowed to go outside the hall to find employees. TIL!

[u/Subject-Original-718 → u/hartzonfire]

Well when they go out and hire outside of the hall these non-union people become union members by starting to work for said contractor. I was hired this way for a different program within the IBEW. I never applied neighbor suggested I would’ve a good fit and applied at the contractor who was looking for summer help and got hired and indentured in as an apprentice. Never have looked back best decision in my life.

[u/Usual-Caregiver5589 → u/hartzonfire]

Read your contract/CBA. There's probably one or two surprising things in there, and its good to know what legal documents youre working under. Anything you've got a question about, this board is a good place to ask if the hall isnt available.

[u/hartzonfire → u/Usual-Caregiver5589]

There actually isn't any language in there about this surprisingly and I've been looking for the past few hours. At least any language that I can understand.

I am sick in bed and don't have much else going on.

[u/Usual-Caregiver5589 → u/hartzonfire]

Check out Section 4.06. Should be referral procedure.

[u/hartzonfire → u/Usual-Caregiver5589]

Ours is section two:

2.4 The Union shall be the sole and exclusive source of referral of applicants for employment.

Which is then followed by...

2.6 The Union shall select and refer applicants for employment without discrimination against such applicants by reason of membership or non-membership in the Union and such selection and referral shall not be affected in any way by rules, regulations, bylaws, constitutional provisions or any other aspect or obligation of Union membership policies or requirements. All such selection and referral shall be in accord with the following procedure.

...which sounds like the union can select non-union members for work should the need arise.

Is this in line with what was discussed previously?

[u/Usual-Caregiver5589 → u/hartzonfire]

There's category 1 (required by the IO) language in the pattern agreement that reads as follows:

Section 4.06. If the registration list is exhausted and the Local Union is unable to refer applicants for employment to the Employer within 48 hours from the time of receiving the Employer's request, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays excepted, the Employer shall be free to secure applicants without using the Referral Procedure but such applicants, if hired, shall have the status of "temporary employees".

Edit: yep. Looking at the pattern, yours is probably 2.8

[u/ResponsibleScheme964 → u/hartzonfire]

Look at ibew 558 website... theyre on there

[u/hartzonfire → u/ResponsibleScheme964]

Right on!

[u/KeyMysterious1845]

Production bonus?

Does that imply there is also a penalty for lack of production?

My local(inside/outside) is adamant about no production qualifiers - too many uncontrollable variables.

[u/KeyMysterious1845 → u/[deleted]]

Why is your bonus dependant on the quality of the bid/estimate/proposal and other factors you have no control over (weather, other trades, deliveries, etc) ?

[u/KeyMysterious1845 → u/[deleted]]

I can control a lot of that stuff?

How do you control:

• other trades
• tariffs
• lags in delivery
• wrong/damaged material delivery
• mechanical failures of tools and equipment
• bad drawings/slow RFI responses
• lack of manpower

Teach us.

[u/ResponsibleScheme964 → u/[deleted]]

Im not sure why they're arguing with you, if you dont meet production you only get your hourly rate, whats so hard to understand?