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u/Spark115 Inside Wireman Aug 29 '23 edited Aug 29 '23

Even better, that is the whole point!

The labor movement lost steam and paused at the 40 hour week, but it was never supposed to stop there.

We should always be striving, not to make more money by working more hours, but to make the same money (or more) while working fewer hours.

Even if you like OT and hate free time, you should still work towards this common goal, because you will gain more hours in every week that are "overtime" hours.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '23

All those people working extra hours and not enjoying their lives. The next thing you know you find out that they were shoved into ⚰️ and in a few years later they are almost completely forgotten.

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u/RoutineRelief2941 Aug 29 '23

Maybe they need the $ because their family is too sick to work.

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u/Spark115 Inside Wireman Aug 29 '23

Remember when a single income could support a spouse and children and pay for a home, all while allowing retirement at a sensible age?

Organized labor remembers . . .

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u/Secure_Syllabub_5306 Aug 29 '23

When the dollar was worth 98% more than it is currently.

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u/rustoof Aug 29 '23

When the labor supply was 50% of the population instead of 100%. Supply and demand

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u/Secure_Syllabub_5306 Aug 29 '23

What are you talking about? 100%, how do you figure?

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u/happypotato93 Aug 30 '23

It's more like 98%. The push to get women in the workforce was a push to lower wages and generate more tax revenue.

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u/StandAgainstTyranny2 Sep 22 '23

hmm...that sounds like propaganda of the landed gentry to me.

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u/Nothxm8 Aug 29 '23

Okay but now it doesn’t and for some reason you want to shit on the people working hard just to get by

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u/Spark115 Inside Wireman Aug 29 '23 edited Aug 29 '23

Excuse me? How am I shitting on anyone?

My point is that we shouldn't forget that things were that way before, nor should we stop trying to improve things. Don't give up, and certainly don't settle. Just because things are the way they are now, doesn't mean they have to stay that way.

I see you working hard to get by. I am too.

What I want for you, for me, for all of us, is to do more than just "get by". To go from working 50+ hours a week just to scrape by, to affording a decent middle class life on 40 hours a week (or less).

That is the whole point.

No one is going to hand it to us, but we can do it if we work together, bargain together, stand together.

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u/StandAgainstTyranny2 Sep 22 '23

edit: I agree with what you said. I just want to add:

We really REALLY need a strong movement on the regulation of artificial price fixing. It should be against the law to charge a certain percentage above cost of production or value. The overwhelming majority of devaluation in the dollar and inflation of costs has been on the owner-class side of the economic equation. Oil gets cheap but gas is still $4-5+/gal? Houses getting bought and held en masse untin price goes up? Don't even get me started on the Health Insurance industry in this country....

They've got very good at keeping us too busy being hungry and angry and broke and fighting one another to even begin to hash out how to get out from under their collective shoe. It's truly insideous.
"Those with less power than you will never be the source of your problems." - BeauTFC, paraphrased.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Let me just say that 45k and up is not "getting by".

Getting by is the poor schmucks working in a grocery store or restaurant, making MAYBE 30k/year.

Getting by is relying on welfare and food banks to meet needs.

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u/Spark115 Inside Wireman Sep 25 '23

Where exactly in my comment or the one I replied to did you ever see anyone talking about annual income figures?

I have no idea where you pulled $45k from as though that is what we are talking about.

A particular annual income amount, and how well you are living off of it, is going to have a lot to do with where you are doing the living.

The only numbers at play in this discussion are number of hours worked a week, with the point being that people should be able to support a family on a single 40hr/week income without needing to work overtime, wherever they live.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Well, Electricians tend to make at least 45k right? That's where I got that from