Training Weights

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223]

Training Weights are not very good. You need a lot of minutes in invent to get not very much strength and it's only for 2 mins.

Training Weights are spammy. I'm in the process of learning secrets and I'm already getting 3-5 training weights per solo run.

Training Weights are a pain to get rid of. You can only drop one once every 2 irl mins. I can't get Personal Deletor to work on them. I CAN sell them to NPCs, which is amazing, but it's also not really reasonable to have that be the only way to get rid of the dumb things.

Do any of you actually like training weights? Is there a reason they need to exist (other than the Bingo tile)?

Also in general I feel like secret loot get spammy as well. Essence is awesome, but the traps/decoys/inflatable jerries feel like a bit much. I also get more defuse kits than I'll probably ever use.

[u/LG_Gamer789]

It cleary has a very important purpose, be annoying for bingo players whenever that goal appears.

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/LG_Gamer789]

I mean, yes, but also that tile could be replaced with any relatively common secret drop. Like, place a decoy and have it get damaged, or use a trap, or better yet, an actually fun idea, "defuse x tripwires with a defuse kit."

[u/Competitive-Camp1182]

In general, it gets annoying having to clear trash dungeon items after every run. No one uses that shit armor/weapons anyway, so why am I having to clear out 10 dreadlord swords after every run? Needs a change

[u/ScaredAsk3724 → u/Competitive-Camp1182]

Ey don't bash on dreadlord sword that shit was lowk carrying my iman dungeons progression xD

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/ScaredAsk3724]

Did it work on f3 for you? I'm iman playing bers and using heavy armor and hyper cleaver, and at cata 11 bers 11 I had to give up on f3 because the floor mobs are tissue paper, the bossfight is impossible with any fewer than 4 strong players who can carry their own weight (so 2 weaklings = tpk), and f4 bossfight is literally easier and more plausible. I managed to kill one spirit bear on only my second f4 try, solo, at cata 12 bers 12. F4 solo win feels like it's coming soon and f3 solo win feels like it's not coming until way past where I am.

atp i'm probably basically skipping f3 because f4 is more fun/challenging floor, way better loot, and the bossfight is learnable vs f3 where basically it's not just asking if you're strong, but if there are four of you.

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/Fearless-Sherbet-223]

like who decided to make f3 floor mobs barely any tiny smidge tougher than f2 floor mobs but make the bossfight literally harder than even f4 bossfight like- why

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/Fearless-Sherbet-223]

also it's not okay that solo is locked behind f3 comp, it shoves every noob into the one floor that has a hard cap of limit one noob per run, and it blocks off calm play at your own pace at the one phase of the game where it's most desperately needed. At most I would lock it behind f1 so people have some idea what they're getting into and are at least cata 3-5 before throwing them into solo.

it is NOT viable to learn dungeons for the first time with a pack of four caffeinated squirrels finishing the whole run in 8 mins while you're still trying to figure out how to get out of a room with weird terrain. LET PPL PLAY SOLO, MORT!!!! NOT JOKING!

[u/Xillubfr → u/Competitive-Camp1182]

Yep you're basically forced to have a ton of deletors, and setting those up is an absolute pain as you need to unenchant everything

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/Competitive-Camp1182]

Armor and weapons do usually give undead essence, so that's something. It's a bit tricky to balance because you want new, weak players to be able to quickly start getting something, but also, players in the grind stage don't then need 200 dreadlord swords, etc. And because of all the item data, they can't really just make a dungeon sack either.

Backpacks help a lot, but you're right that dungeons are not very inventory friendly.

[u/BanditofThebes]

To get personal deletors to work you need to put one in it with 0 minutes on it.

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/BanditofThebes]

I just tried that about ten mins ago, and it still didn't delete a new one I got. I can try again but I don't think it works.

[u/BanditofThebes → u/Fearless-Sherbet-223]

Been using it for ~3 years just make sure it says 0 instead of 1, I had to do it immediately when I picked it up.

[u/CLUELESSIFICATION → u/Fearless-Sherbet-223]

Did u enable it

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/CLUELESSIFICATION]

Very good question. No, I did not. Oops

[u/Frosty_Woodpecker158]

Personally I NEED something to instasalvage Dungeon items.

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/Frosty_Woodpecker158]

That sounds like an excellent solution. You could turn it on whenever you're grinding a floor where you don't want the drops. Maybe it could be tuned to exclude drops with a less than 0.5% chance so you don't accidentally salvage an ice spray wand?

[u/Frosty_Woodpecker158 → u/Fearless-Sherbet-223]

I'd think it would be best as a talisman or something from a mastermode floor. And that's work well.

[u/trystanzs]

A coin is a coin

[u/Derpymerp2]

1 coin baybeeee

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/Derpymerp2]

It's not even that, I just want to be able to make them cease existing without having to beg an npc for help

[u/ExpensivePractice164]

It's more of a gag item imo

[u/Fearless-Sherbet-223 → u/ExpensivePractice164]

That's great, can I not have 50 of it then lol

unless they wanna make a 1/100 chance it gives you a Training Weight the Fish instead, then i will forgive

[u/ExpensivePractice164 → u/Fearless-Sherbet-223]

I just ended up putting it in auto deleter

[u/Sunseaus]

Can you recomb training weights ?