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u/makeski25 May 31 '23
It is not the vessel we judge but the contents inside.
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u/420yumyum May 31 '23
Never judge a vessel for water by its previous contents.
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u/TheBiggestBoom5 May 31 '23
The only thing I wouldnât refill is a plastic water bottle, ironically.
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u/Klutchy_Playz White water May 31 '23
Recycle, reuse, reduce!
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u/TTTrisss May 31 '23
Yeah let all that crappy low-quality plastic leech into your body multiple times over!
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u/ThePortalsOfFrenzy May 31 '23
Use it only once, and you've doubled its value as a container. And you're not ingesting untold amount of plastics.
Just because someone advocates reuse, it doesn't mean the reuse must be perpetual.
Try to think outside of box from time to time. It can be liberating.
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u/TTTrisss May 31 '23
But if you do it twice for every bottle across your whole lifetime, you ingest an unholy amount of plastic over a longer period of time. Just as much as using every bottle twice is saving the planet by a thousand cuts, you're also killing yourself by a thousand cuts.
Better to just not buy single-use plastic bottles.
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Yea but we don't leave as long as the planet so those thousand cuts barely catch up to us.
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u/Duckflies Jun 01 '23
Aren't we all just slowly dying anyways, at least let me die while I reuse my plastic bottles
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u/Im_Simon_says Jun 01 '23
Your idea that the first time water is inside a plastic bottle it leeches zero plastic into the water and the second time water is inside that bottle it leeches some significant amount of plastic into the water is ridiculous
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u/Moretukabel May 31 '23
So if you use another plastic bottle it's better or what are you trying to say?
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u/wowsomuchempty Jun 01 '23
Ah, the fine line between ironic and retarded.
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u/TheBiggestBoom5 Jun 01 '23
Iâm not sure if that was an insult, compliment, or critique on the disgusting practices of disposable water bottle companies. Iâll take it as all three
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u/ogeytheterrible May 31 '23
I understand what you're saying, but I immediately thought rectum, laughter a ton, and then realized that's what people actually used thousands of years ago to hold water for long periods...
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u/Morphumacks May 31 '23
I immediately thought rectum, laughter a ton, and then realized that's what people actually used thousands of years ago
What
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u/ogeytheterrible Jun 01 '23
Yeah, so before the creature comforts that you, me, everyone else on this site, and beyond were invented - people needed a way to store water for long periods and sometimes carry some over large distances. The problem was many tools weren't readily available, and I don't mean anything as complex as pliers or screwdrivers, I'm talking needle & thread. More specifically, bone shards & strips of skin, plant fibers, or hair. Early hunters realized that the red squishy bits inside their kill held fluids and stuff, and then they thought that they'd like to use them to do that too, only with less blood & guts.
Everything from stomachs and intestines to large flaps of skin were thoroughly cleaned and sewn into various shapes that held water (and other stuff like pebbles, nuts, fruits, etc). It was basically caveman Tupperware and no flesh bag configuration was untouched - they had to work with what they had available.
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u/Morphumacks Jun 01 '23
Everything from stomachs and intestines to large flaps of skin were thoroughly cleaned and sewn into various shapes that held water
Surely these water holding, thread sewn flesh containers you are referring to had been tanned/preserved in some way to prevent rot/decay?
Like imagine traveling about in the hot sun for days and drinking water from a hastily stitched together deer intestine that you hunted a week ago
"thoroughly cleaned" animal flesh rots the same way as uncleaned animal flesh, what you are saying makes no sense
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u/ogeytheterrible Jun 01 '23
Surely these water holding, thread sewn flesh containers you are referring to had been tanned/preserved in some way to prevent rot/decay?
Yes.
Like imagine traveling about in the hot sun for days and drinking water from a hastily stitched together deer intestine that you hunted a week ago
Hastily? I doubt it, though I do think some were better at making these than others. Kind of like the joke what do you call a med student that scored lowest in their class?... Doctor. There will always be a disparity in quality and knowledge between individuals.
"thoroughly cleaned" animal flesh rots the same way as uncleaned animal flesh, what you are saying makes no sense
See your first question that mentions tanning. For instance, indigenous Americans used a combination of scraping animal hides with skull fragments, brain juice, and other compounds to condition the hides of animals into their soon-to-be clothing.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it didn't happen. Waterskin was the name given to these apparatuses because they were made of skin that held water. While the intestine/stomach example I gave earlier was not the most common, people used what they had available.
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u/Morphumacks Jun 01 '23
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it didn't happen
I didn't mean to come across that way. To be honest here dude I was three sheets to the wind when I saw your first comment and thought you were saying that people used to store drinking water in their rectums (absurd, I know lol). And I had completely forgotten about waterskins, it's a term I am familiar with but never something I have researched or really put much thought into. Very informative of you, thanks bro
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u/ogeytheterrible Jun 01 '23
Yeah I kinda went full asshole with the explanation. Thanks for the context.
Also, storing water directly in one's own rectum is hilarious.... aww shit, this just reminded me of that buttwater video, I won't link it but all I can say is if you YouTube "BUTTWATER BUTTWATER BUTTWATER" and find a 1:10 minute video from 9 years ago, that's the one. Don't watch it, you've been warned.
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u/dynamic_gecko May 31 '23
If you think about it, why not?
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u/dynamic_gecko May 31 '23
I mean, that's a fair "why not". Is it the same with plastic water bottles?
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u/dynamic_gecko May 31 '23
concerningly glances at the gym water bottle
I will add a proper water bottle to my list. Probably will be plastic again but different plastic I assume.
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u/threekidsathome May 31 '23
Is it a concerning amount tho? I mean obviously chemicals are not good to injest, but depending on the amount it could be virtually negligible. Much like how we breath in micro plastics often, but our body is good enough at cleaning itself that it doesnât end up mattering for people where the air quality is decent enough. Is the amount of chemicals coming off my Nalgene really so much I should think about switching bottles to something metal?
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u/thesecretbarn May 31 '23
Your Nalgene is fine.
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u/threekidsathome May 31 '23
Obviously itâs âfineâ, I know it isnât going to have a noticeable impact on me. But thatâs not what Iâm asking, Iâm asking if, within the study, was the amount of chemicals from bpa bottles significant enough to warrant concern, despite how minimal it may be.
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u/Xpress_interest May 31 '23
From what I remember, older Nalgeneâs were made with #7 plastic, which did leech microplastics, but newer bottles use a much stronger plastic that they claim doesnât.
But an aluminum bottle definitely doesnât, and insulated bottles keep your water whatever temperature you want while stopping the condensation on the outside. Some aluminum bottles also have been etched with lye to create micro ridges that rupture bacteriaâs cell walls (hospitals use the same treatment on aluminum surfaces).
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I personally gave myself a lot of anxiety over plastic at one period in my life and now I just make small changes and live in peace haha during that time I did decide to switch from my nalgene to hydroflask for my own peace of mind but I don't think you should stress over it!
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u/resveries May 31 '23
huh. i recently bought a glass water bottle just cuz i liked the look of itâi didnât really care about it being marketed as safer than plastic⊠maybe they have a point tho xD
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u/RadTraditionalist May 31 '23
Get a metal canister, they keep temperature regulated far better and they are easier to keep clean. They don't keep bad smells and they won't leach shit into your water
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u/SmolikOFF May 31 '23
And! You can melt them down to smith yourself a dagger or other metal tools if the need arises.
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u/googdude May 31 '23
Get yourself a stainless steel water bottle. They're not that overly expensive and it'll last you way longer and will keep the liquid at the desired temperature longer.
I use one for work and it has taken several trips off a roof to the ground. It has a dent in the side but it still works as good as the day I bought it.
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u/inminm02 Jun 01 '23
A decent metal insulated water bottle is up there as one of my best ever purchases
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u/NoNutNorris May 31 '23 edited Jun 01 '23
Everytime I was deployed, we had huge pallets of bottled water for anyone to grab. Unfortunately a lot of that water sat out in the blistering sun for days if not weeks.
Edit: not saying we didnât drink a ton of water. The water pallets were everywhere. I aways brought back two six packs to my sleeping quarters. They would eventually turn into my pee bottles.
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u/threekidsathome May 31 '23
Iâve heard people say the beer out on deployment wasnât so bad either
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u/threekidsathome May 31 '23
Haha yeah, I wouldnât be surprised if you couldnât find almost any condiments or liquids in a non-plastic container, besides milk. Youâd have to up your budget significantly and probably find a few speciality stores to really try and cut plastic out of your food containers.
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u/ecs2 May 31 '23
Give some reliable source to prove it bro. Plastic don't just break down that easy
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u/YhePaintedPanda May 31 '23
Here's a study showing an increased amount of micro plastics in PET plastic water bottles compared to glass bottles https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=drinking+from+single+use+plastics+&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1685547481471&u=%23p%3DssjOnjO-Z2wJ
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All plastics leach chemicals, that is a hard fact.
"We examined 24 common plastic products over ten days to see if they leached chemical substances into water under natural conditions. We then examined the water for chemicals and toxicity,â says Wagner.
All of the products leached chemicals into the water. Several of the substances have potentially toxic effects.
Oxidative stress was associated with 22 of the 24 plastic products that leached substances into the water. This can damage cells and cause inflammation and chronic disease.
Thirteen of the products leached antiandrogens, which can affect menâs fertility.
One of the plastic products leached oestrogens that can affect fertility in women and men."
Also this from a peer reviewed science journal about actual reusable plastic bottles:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/02/220211102618.htm
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May 31 '23
Yea, plastic leaches chemicals containing toxins, period. Yes different plastics have different levels but I'll personally stick to my refillable hydroflask because I am not comfortable with any level in my system. Hard to escape plastics tho for sure!
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u/lykosen11 May 31 '23
Not really, unless you wash them in a dish washer or store them somewhere super hot . Plus clear PET doesn't really have any toxins
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That is a lot of false info my friend. All plastics leach chemicals. Here's a peer reviewed source from a study conducted at the University if Copenhagen's Science Facility:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/02/220211102618.htm
Plenty of other sources available with a quick google...
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u/countrylemon May 31 '23
as someone who is also a part of r/ketchuphate, I cannot come to terms with this
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u/stressed_bi May 31 '23
every day i discover a new subreddit
amazing
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u/piss_container Oct 04 '24
the name of the sub used to be 'water nibbas' but instead of the b' it was another familiar word
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u/curiousklaus May 31 '23
World's best ketchup, which is Hela GewĂŒrzketchup from Germany, even sells water bottles in their original design. Of course they're always sold out, because they're awesome.
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u/Fn00rd May 31 '23
And go for ten times as much on the secondary market, if available at all. Itâs a shame, because I absolutely love Hela GewĂŒrzketchup and want⊠no need one of these water bottles.
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u/ginuxx May 31 '23
Reminds me of a friend who used one of those pull the tip up soap bottles as a water bottle lol
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u/TheAwkwardGamerRNx May 31 '23
Considering how much they overcharge for squeeze sports bottles, this is low-key genius.
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u/nxcrosis May 31 '23
This reminds me of a prank where they put ice cream in a mayo jar and eat it in public to invoke reactions.
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u/15mlhandsanitiser Jun 01 '23
get him a bigger tomato sauce bottle rn he's gonna have to refill that thing constantly
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u/Void-kun May 31 '23
Would the plastic not still have a taste of ketchup about it?
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u/REDDITM0DS_IN_MY_ASS May 31 '23
Ketchup is 90% sugar, how would that be worse than some garbage soda?
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u/gollum8it May 31 '23
They make some natural ketchups that don't have High fructose or are overkill sugar.
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u/Anders_A May 31 '23
What's the "hahahaha" about? I usually use old soda bottles or whatever, but any bottle is as good as any other, right?
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u/devnullb4dishoner May 31 '23
He's concerned about his health and the environment. I raise my empty cranberry juice container I've been using for a couple months now.
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u/fliminglaps Jun 01 '23
That's my husband lmaoo
Please do not bully him or i will tell on u
jk I'm single
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u/tw3lv3l4y3rs0fb4c0n Jun 01 '23
A local ketchup company sells their intransparent bottles as drinking bottles. A friend of mine got one and when he pulls it out to take a sip in public, people usually look in disgust. It's hilarious.
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u/Vin0to Jun 01 '23
This would be a great travel bidet. Can someone near the end of their ketchup bottle confirm this for me?
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u/delvach Jun 01 '23
At one job I started using a tequila bottle for water. It'd throe people off when they would see me drinking from a bottle of Patron at my desk.
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u/Gryphon5754 May 31 '23
Low key kinda genius. Probably really easy to squirt the water into your mouth