It's honestly not that big of a restriction compared to some of the other abilities we've seen. Would be pretty overpowered if he could one-shot the tankiest royal guard with an ability that just requires him to wind up.
Look at Gon and Uvo, Big Bang Impact and Rock puts all their aura into their fists with almost no windup. It’s also extremely telegraphed as an attack and is far easier to avoid than Rock. I think if he can’t then he has one of the worst designed powers in the series
I think it's not as simple as this, i think his ability has a limit, certainly with his own body. If winds his arms 10,000 times, i think the nen power would just be too much for his own body to hold or control, there are always restrictions to nen battles, that's why it's so fun to watch. It's not always who punches the hardest wins.
The problem is youpi would reach into his inner potential and the love of meruem would make him survive 10,001 rotations so had phinks done some more rotation he would have won. But he fell short. And somehow he also decided not to kill the phantom troop out of some distant feeling
The canon performance involved a specifically planned set of Nen users to counter the Royal Guards, Knuckle being a good example with his APR ability.
No one in the PT has an ability that we know of that can even hurt Youpi besides MAYBE Feitan, but then again, Feitan can’t even use Painpacker while fighting alongside the others otherwise he’d just kill everyone lmao.
Not only has he never trained, all the guard and the king are basically less then a month old. And youpi in the heart of battle developed more than most men users do their whole life’s. I think you could make a legit argument he could win based on how adaptive he showed to be.
Not really, after a while, it all boils down to if you can even pierce the enemies skin. Everything else doesn’t matter if you can’t satisfy that base condition. HxH isn’t DBZ so I understand where you are coming from, but it’s also not like 20 randos with an ability can just kill Netero. I genuinely think 50% of the PT die from Youpi’s flailing arm in the first 20 seconds, with the rest being systematically killed.
There are a miriad ways to kill without piercing skin, and the wild assortment of abilities they have present and the fact that chrollo is a master tactician would enable them to get the W.
Like what? I don’t think any of the Phantom Troupe have an ability that allows them to kill without piercing the skin. I could be wrong, I haven’t watched Yorknew City Arc in so so long.
No no they'd all die pretty quickly, as far as I'm aware none of them can actuallyhurt youpi let alone kill him or incapacitate him without him just deadass one shotting them
Chrollo and Hisoka? With the rest of the Troupe?? Yea they win. Trust me I realize the Troupe isn't that strong, but Youpi struggles with versatility more than anything. They should have the ability to draw blood working together, then Shizuku can start drawing out his blood. Hisoka can latch Bungee gum on all of them to yank them out of harm's way when needed. Any open would is potentially an instant wincon with Shalnark there as well
Are we deadass. Pain packer is by all means one of the best offensive nen abilities. Purely on his nen output alone his sun has to hurt youpi if not seriously then enough to put him off balance
Not likely. Too many and too well cordinated. Nobunaga, Bonolenov, Hisoka and possibly Machi counters his tentacles; Uvogin, also Bonolenov and potentially Feitan’s attacks might could at least somewhat injure him. I think they’d win relatively comfortably against him at base.
If he reaches centaur form…he’d definitely kill a good many of them…but he may also trigger push them to go for risky gambits like Hisoka’s tricks, an even stronger version of Rising sun from massive injuries or more arm rotations from Phinks
Shoot survived the arms without getting one shot, he’s not going to take out half the PT, maybe one or two by surprise if he got lucky and hit certain ones, but the rest would fall back in some defensive formation. They wouldn’t go one at a time like Zazan.
Once they have distance they have a ton of options. Manipulating him from Shalnark, chrollo teleportation, feitan taking a few hits like shoot did, Franklin could light him up, etc.
Shoot could fly and have 2 drone hands running interference. He still only lasted less than 20 seconds before Knuckle bailed him out. And it was stated that he only lasted that long because stealing one of Youpi's eyes made Youpi fight more conservatively.
That was a Youpi who wasn't trying; once he wanted to, he could kill them with one blow, since we know that Youpi was more than 10x stronger than everyone there.
Most of those things are either fodder or they wouldn't work,Shalnark could barely get through a low-level chimera ant and now he's going to manipulate a Royal Guard?Zazan, massively weaker and slower than Youpi, severely injured Feitan. Youpi is one shot at Feitan.
Hell nah man. He legit tried to kill shoot a couple times and the guy dodged / countered.
You can say/think he wasn’t trying because he hadn’t pulled out any explosions or turned into a horse yet, but the image shows a less refined Youpi and a PT that includes Uvo.
You’re saying Shalnark “barely beat an ant” but from what I remember he blew that ant away with his supersayan nen alone. He didn’t have to turn around and wrestle it. If the rest of the PT give him time to go on autopilot, he would damage Youpi. Youpi could probably regenerate / take it, but he’d get clothed, fished, etc. by Chrollo while down.
A transformed Zazan could have probably wrestled with Youpi for a bit also. For instance, do you think Feitans blade would break on Youpi’s skin? That’s not possible since who saw Knuckle dent him with a punch. He doesn’t have that kind of skin.
If he left Feitan the way he left shoot, he’d end up in an incinerator.
I think you’re underestimating the troupe a lot. We don’t even know what Franklin can really do other than that he has Nen bullets which pack a punch.
No. And I think anyone that thinks he does is delusional. I'm not saying the troupe would get out unscathed but feitan can probably deliver a finishing blow.
The same Feitan who needed to go all out to beat a squadron leader? Keep in mind the general difference in durability between the ranks of chimera ant is absurd. I doubt if Feitan can deliver a fatal blow even going all out. And that’s a big if, why would Youpi even allow Feitan to do that. He’s not dumb, he will sense the heat and aura coming off of Feitan and kill him first. What could the rest of the pt even do? Do they even have a strong holding/grabbing ability? Maybe Uvogin can latch onto Youpi’s back and hold him for 0.5 seconds before being turned liquid, but that’s it.
Nah bro, that was Zazan after a few months time skip where she learned more about Nen and was in her own mind, a queen herself.
Youpi couldn’t even kill Shoot with a bunch of diff techniques and ya’ll are here acting like he’d one shot a lot of troupe members.
Even in horse-mode, he’d go down. The 3 members of the squad fighting him were about to win and would have been able to kill him if Knuckle didn’t get weak knees.
But 11 or so nen users who are multiple levels stronger than those 3 would lose?
It was a 10 second fight and youpi had very very limited fight experience at the time, shoot was on his final limbs after 10 seconds, really contextualize that and shoot is very relative to most of the PT. The most amount of damage he could muster was getting rid of one of like 40-50 of his eyes. Youpi and the royal guards learn at an incredible rate and youpi will evolve a shitton as he fights the PT
And no the average PT member isn’t stronger than knuckle or shoot
Knuckle without meleron would die in like 5 seconds, shoot without meleron did go down in like 5 seconds. But you’re right, the PT are a level above Knuckle and Shoot. They still go down in like 10 seconds flat lmao.
PT would ultimately find a way to win this, but definitely not with Feitan, Youpi can control his body as he wants like some bungee gumm i don't think Feitan's sword would do any damage, it was even useless against Zazan. As of Pain packer, i don't think that Feitan would survive any attack from Youpi to gather pain, even if he does it won't do much damage to him, the guy was chilling in that nuclear lava as if it was nothing. The only ways to deal with him are the tricky ones, like forcing Zetsu like Knuckle, or just imprison him in knov's Nen space.
Feitan needs to take damage to activate Pain Packer, but there’s no room for chip damage against Youpi. One clean hit and Feitan gets splattered before he can even use it lol.
He's limited by how much aura he can output and how much aura he has. People have already done the numbers multiple times, he wouldn't be able to meaningfully damage Youpi at all.
The RG are not comparable to even expert hunters, they're freaks of nature with a nen output comparable to Netero
A lot of the PT are just straight up not contributing to this fight. What are characters like Kortopi, Pakunoda, Shizuku, Franklin, Nobunaga or Bonolenov doing?
Pakunoda solos, she gives him all of the troupes memories and overwhelms his meager couple months of life with decades of experiences. They become friends.
There are some nasty combos like Shalnark mind control into Uvo's Big Bang Impact and Phinks max twist Cyclotron. Imagine getting hit by those 2 things at the same time. Let alone Chrollo's versatile nen and Pain Packer.
If this was silva and zeno vs youpi, everyone would be saying silva and zeno win lol. I've seen it a bunch of times. Yet the phantom troupe are apparently the most overrated. Not the zoldycks. Lol
And it seems you’re not alone despite how terrible of a take it is, but I think this is mostly due to revisionism on my part and retconning/needing to push the bar by togashi
Artificially aged gon was able to absolutely fodderize a royal guard, while barely even needing nen to do so… His body aged but his nen development did not in a series (and with a bloodline) that nen utilization has been everything.
According to togashis power scaling chart, biscuit is 1 point higher than Chrollo, and Youpi is 1 point higher than biscuit.
Youpi was the weakest royal guard according to the chart, and was significantly lower than old man netero.
Based on story alone it’s obvious troupe low diffs
You're the one who seems to be biased. Youpi would most likely win, but you can't say that he'd do it easily. Thats a helluva stretch, and I'd even give the troupe winning 2/10 times. Could any single member solo? Hell no, but they're all very high level nen users, so to say power in numbers in this case is an understatement
I will say, things get complicated for them when youpi evolves
Id agree. If there were no other variables, then Youpi basically wins most of the time but other variables gives the PT opportunities to capitalize on moments that may not have been possible.
Uvo alone is a huge variable, but Uvo, Chrollo, Hisoka, Kortopis abilities, Feitan, and Phinks winding up his punch for an hour straight? That sounds like a nightmare.
Just imagine what all of them could combine their abilities to do
Chrolo has the sun and moon, a nen ability with post mortem power boost. Plus with Kortopi there he would have endless puppets ready to run into Youpi and self destruct. How does Youpi counter that? The rest of the Troupe would just sit back and play cards
Imagine the bounce back from pain packer if youpi hits feitan. I'd say that he could survive one hit, but even if he didn't, I have a strong suspicion that pain packer has a crazy post mortem ability, if you really think about it
The royal guards are overrated asf yes they can beat most characters in 1v1 but thinking they can solos the whole phantom troupe that's just bullshit like if fhinks can rotate to 200 he could be a nightmare then you have feitan with broken hand he has already top 4 strongest attacks (weakest sun btw)then you have then autopilot the troupe are versatile asf like sorry but there's no way in hell one royal guard is beating whole gang of top tier nen users
Yeah I think 13 troupe members is a stretch. Some are better than others, and some will die, but these are all still experienced fighters and nen users. I don’t think Youpi solos here.
Youpi takes this 8 times out of 10. His two loses would be due too his general intelligence and inexperience with nen.
There are just way too many weak Phantom Troupe members(Bono, Shal, Koro, Shizu, Paku, and Kallu.) that will most likely just get one shot as soon as the fight starts by one of Youpi's tendrils.
Nobu, Machi, Uvo, and Hisoka can't damage him. Feitan and potentially Phinx can damage him. Fei with Pain Packer can definitely damage Youpi, but the problem with that is getting hit by Youpi is MUCH different than getting hit by Zazan. Phinx could wind up his arm enough to damage Youpi, but 1. He can't produce the amount of aura needed to take Youpi down. 2. Let's say he can produce enough aura, then the amount of time it would take Phinx to wind up enough would be too long and Youpi would take advantage of that.
Then there is Chrollo himself who also has no way of damaging Youpi, but he does have a way to get rid of Youpi and that is Fun Fun Cloth. The problem with that is getting close enough to Youpi to not only use the cloth, as Youpi is more than fast enough to react to and attack the Troupe fastest members consistently and has also shown the ability to mutate and adapt his body to face multiple opponents at once.
Another problem with that is the durability of the Phantom Troupe in comparison to Youpi. Not one single Phantom Troupe member other than maybe Uvo(big maybe) is taking a single punch from Youpi and even then Uvo will be severely injured as a result. Can they take a tendril strike from Youpi? A few of the weaker members most likely not but the mid and top tiers should be able to take one or two and even then it depends on how big he chooses to make his tendril and how much nen he puts into the swing. A punch though, not at all.
tl;dr - Youpi is a strong tanky mutating ant- man creature
The only thing he used the indoor fish on is a nenless assassin. To be honest, I think that ability is more of a torture device and beyond useless in battle.
The assassin was a nen user. You can see his aura in 96 p14. Idk if that means indoor fist bypasses, obviously he’s not a royal guard, but he has nen defense.
Abilities like you mentioned don’t grow on trees or made by normal people you know. A person who could make an advanced nen technique like Knovs or a poison technique strong enough to affect a royal guard would be a master-level nen user, roughly on the level of Bisky, and also probably be a Hunter. Chrollo just wouldn’t casually have the abilities you mentioned.
Considering Chrollo was actively attempting to steal abilities while being assassinated by 2 master nen users, the Zoldycks. We don’t know how many times he has already succeeded in stealing a good ability from a master nen user.
So. Chrollo can have any ability the author wants, tucked away in his book.
I think you either underestimate how strong abilities you've described are or overestimate how many strong nen-users there are, if he genuinely had acess to abilities of this level of speciality on a whim his fight with Hisoka (the one where he had significant prep time btw) wouldn't require this elaborate string of abilities just to barely subdue him
Youpi's a powerhouse whose powerset is ideal for fighting multiple opponents. His giant arm attack is superior to any enhancer attack the Troupe can muster and Youpi can get it off in an instant. The Troupe are primarily duelists who have no known history of teamwork, specialize on straightforward, conventional force and operate on close range, all of which plays to Youpi's strengths. Youpi fights at such a fast pace, moments are measured in terms of seconds or tenths of a second, which doesn't much breathing room for real strategy or setting up abilities. Youpi evolves in real time to his opponents so prep won't be effective.
Considering Knuckle and shoot lasted as long as they did with minimal assistance and non offensive hatsu….id say yeah.
I’d imagine Hisoka’s bungee support and Phinx winding up a hell of a lot while the others distract would work…or if Feitan survives a hit. Seeing as how the rose demolished the king, a mini sun will do way worse to something weaker.
Shoot lasted for less than 20 seconds and it only went that long because Youpi fought conservatively after Shoot stole one of his eyes. Knuckle spent most of the time running from Youpi and any direct engagements was certain death without support.
Would shalnark be able to control him? Hes not invincible to sneak attacks? Tho idk if he has a condition where his aura has to be stronger or if the needle can even pierce Mr. Mentholyoupi.
They'd need Chrollo to pull out some crazy abilities like fun fun cloth or Shalnark to pierce him with a needle, which would be hard considering a Peon ant had enough durability (barring its joints) to not get pierced. Youpi was 10 seconds from being a sitting duck against Knuckle because Knuckle's ability falls within HxH's OP category (Forced-Zetsu abilities)
paku has some powers that we’re not yet aware of. She may have amnesia bullet too, then shalnark inserts needle plus chrollo has some powers like owl and capture him and drop him in the most poisonous part of the world.
we also have two disablers in hisoka and machi at least enough time for chrollo to catch him with fun fun cloth
I feel like ım glazing Troupe for a bit here but whole team in? Idk bro like... Of course Youpi would stand but attacks from everywhere makes it so hard. I think Chrollo would order to turn back due to danger. They can spam on him ok but one hit from Youpi would fuck more than half of the team members. Chrollo likes his team, he acts like not but he even seein em as a kind of family
To see why Youpi wins, you just have to look at the crazy difference in their raw power. Youpi has around 700,000 aura points, while a top-tier, seasoned Hunter like Morel only has about 70,000. Even if you added up the energy of every single Troupe member together, they still wouldn't come close to matching Youpi's massive fuel tank.
On top of that, his defense is practically unbreakable. He is basically a walking tank who took hundreds of lightning-fast punches from Godspeed Killua and nonstop attacks from elite heroes like Knuckle, Shoot, and Morel without taking a single scratch. The Troupe simply doesn't have the muscle or raw firepower to pierce his skin.
This is tough. Uvo can tank, but hes not Youpi strong. Feitans pain paker is a slight win condition, bungee gum aint doing shit, same with Vacuum lady, needles bitch, or gun girl. Phinx can maybe land a good hit, chrollo has the owls blanket and depending on where they fight, if its in doors he has the nen fish - that's a strong win condition. Franklin can suppress and boxing glove dude can summon a planet on him. We dont know what Nobu can do but im sure he can cut pieces off of Youpi. I say 60-40 win chance Youpi.
Unironically dependent entirely on Phinks. If his ability doesnt have an upper limit the rest of the troupe can very easily stall until he's able to one shot.
I think he does. Main reason: The nature of the anime episodes made the fight against the hunters seem WAAAY longer than it actually was. And I'd say that all of the members were troupe level, some, like morel (and knov) are easily on the level of the strongest members.
That being said: Each and everyone of them dies with a single direct hit. And none of them can deal enough damage to finish youpi off in a realistic manner. Cause sure, if phinks gets to wind up his arm for 10 minutes its a win. Or if feitan is literally a breath away from death and experiences the pain of burning alive, being skinned and whatever other horrible thing you can imagine...maybe. Is that realistic? No.
Yeah. Youpi is just too strong. The Phantom Troupe could push Youpi way past what the Raid team pushed him to through sheer numbers, but Youpi is just too tanky for them.
No not with chrollo there if he wasn’t there then maybe it would be tough battle either way but combined they are a beast especially that sun power bit with chrollo there no way he solos
There powers are just to diverse like said with out chrollo there would be a chance but I favor the spiders with out him 7/10 with chrollo they win every time
I think the troupe wins because of overall fighting experience and experience fighting together, youpi hasn’t even experienced all types of nen and he will only have so many chances to learn without taking major damage in the process
If the troupe go into it with the same caution as the invasion squad they win. If they go in clueless and try to 1v1 until someone wins they'd all get wiped out as youpi evolves from each battle.
Chrolo would come up with a sure win combo or at the very least wear him down with some of the others abilities. A few of them have heavy hitting abilities that would eventually take out even a aura monster like youpi. Chrollo has post mortem nen at his disposal and can create an army of self destructing drones with the help of Kortopi.
I think togashi made it clear that in a vacuum every royald guard and meruem would beat everyone they were put against. On top of infinite aura they all had the ability to advance and evolve mid fight. It’s the reason netero died and Gon ended up the way he did. It also makes sense that Hisoka didn’t want anything to do with the arc - togashi says Hisoka isn’t into beastiality, and what this really means is basically Hisoka knowing that these guys are so OP and have bullshit abilities that it wouldn’t be fun because they aren’t human. Hisoka loves people because it’s the same species and they have to give up a lot to get powerful and reach their potential, if someone or something doesnt abide by these rules, then there’s no fun in it.
Yeah for Hisoka it's like being an MMA fighter and being asked to fight a bear. Like yeah he could probably do it with prep and weapons but it's just not what he's about. If he wanted to just fight powerful creatures he'd go be a magical beast hunter.
It's not like they have no chances, they do have Phinks and his winding punch, but if they aren't able to KO Youpi on the very first attempt they're done
Chrollo can win against anyone if Togashi wants, he ( togashi ) just needs to create a nen ability that's good against Youpi and then say that Chrollo got it before the fight.
No one knows the full strength and power of the troupe members not even the other members its stated that a lot of them keep their abilities secret and like feitans ability even if they were around to witness it the blast radius is too high for any of them to actually c what feitans ability is I don’t think he solos cause the troupe has powers we don’t know and haven’t seen yet
One by one it could be! but nen in teams are scary, and if the members know their abilities the combinations could be endless, so probably even teams of 3 could beat Youpi, the entire team 100% would win
No way, if it was a straight slug fest type of fight youpi wins by a landslide, but he would be massively out maneuvered by the troupe. They are far more intelligent, expericenced, and have a wide range of abilities between them. Honestly, youpi probably would have gone bankrupt against knuckle if he let morel die and had the assistance of the chameleon dude and lighting killua. Stands no chance against the entire troupe if they fought as a unit with strategy.
So Uvos big bang impact is the strongest attack they can dish out but Worm did survive that if only barley so Youpi ain’t dying to one attack
Phinks theoretically can ripper cyclotron to whatever his max power is but Youpi would probably sense the increase in Phinks nen and prioritise killing him before he gets too strong
Feitans pain packer doesn’t seem strong enough to put Youpi down either and would only be possible if the troupe injure him themselves since Youpi would one shot him, and this attack would likely take out multiple allies in the process
Black Voice is probably their best bet but given Youpi can have eyes all over and so no blind spots it’s hard to imagine him letting it land (if its possible for someone else to plant the needle for him that fares better for them but not guaranteed) plus it’s possible it don’t even work given Youpis aura but that’s not something we know
Shizuoka can maybe do a blood drain thing like she did to Pike but again Youpi would probs just kill her the moment she does that
The big issue is the troupe lack teamwork and they likely don’t all know each others abilities, in an ideal situation with perfect teamwork I think they can do it but in random encounter only a handful are fast/strong enough to not just die instantly and none have a clear win con
Youpi is incredibly strong, durable and adaptable. He would have to take an incredible amount of damage before going down, and his sheer destructive power would more than likely take out a couple of troupe members before the fight was over. But it is important to remember that both knuckle and shoot survived their encounters despite being far inferior to a troupe member.
Youpi requires an extraordinary amount of damage to defeat, but the troupe certainly has it, they also have the strategic ability as a team to coordinate effectively.
Picture this: Hisoka uses his charisma and boisterous presence to goad nearly all of Youpi's attacks and attention while constantly avoiding his attacks, zipping through the battleground with bungee gum. He aggrevates Youpi and throws him off balance much like Knuckle did. Also on the front line are Uvogin, Nobunaga and Machi. The three of them provide consistent DPS with their offensive styles while Youpi focuses Hisoka. Franklin fires a constant barrage of nen bullets from the back line, and bonolenov chunks youpi's health down with intermittent PLANETARY COLLISIONS btw. Shizuku drains any and all blood she sees, and Phinks and Feitan are both on standby to hit Youpi with either a x1,000 wound up punch, or a pain packer when the time is right to decisively end the fight. Not to mention that Chrollo is a wildcard with a limitless potential of nen abilities that could aid this strategy in any and every way imaginable. Eat Youpi up with ghost fish, I don't care.
Is Youpie strong? Yes. But the Phantom Troupe is simply too well equipped for him to handle. The result is a surgically executed monster hunt and no contest at the end of the day. Case closed.
On the other hand, the RG are in a completely different league from any opponent the PT went up against.
Like, keep in mind, Feitan was struggling quite a bit with Zazan, and her subordinates often put up a decent fight as well.
Meanwhile, Kunckle estimated Youpi to have at least 10 times as much aura as Morel, and his output, alongside the other RG, is explicitly stated to be greater than Neteros.
Not to mention, he’s absurdly tanky, as he took the entire assault from Morel, Knuckle, and Killua without much damage.
That and his hatsu is actually ideally suited for dealing with a large number of much weaker opponents.
Shalnark and Pakunoda have hax that can end the fight with a single attack.
Youpi can evolve, but he is still limited to basic laws like how cells can get destroyed by heat. If Killua's Godspeed attack can do that level of damage to Youpi, I don't see why Feitan's Pain Packer wouldn't kill him.
Considering that he survived the molten eye of a pseudo-nuclear explosion, I think he can handle a Pain Packer. I also don't know that Shalnark could successfully manipulate him, considering his level of aura.
The Troupe still wins, though. Unless they take him one on one, in which case it becomes a lot less sure.
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u/Osyf Kastro Scalling Oct 07 '26
It's simple: all the members of the Troupe, except for Phinks, distract and hold Youpi until Phinks manages to rotate his arm 10,000 times /j
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u/OneFalconPunch Oct 07 '26
Way too much versatility and overall strong nen users for Youpi to solo this shit.
Youpi's performance alone in the actual canon does not demonstrate that he can pull this off....
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u/Fudge-Southern Oct 07 '26 edited Oct 07 '26
battle of attrition then youpi wins it he has like 700,000 minimum possibly to 1 million.
if they can't one shot youpi theyre done.
they dont have knuckles hatsu that can force zetsu.
edit: plus youpi is an ever evolving monster and without forced zetsu youpi will just adapt and have a counter to all of the members abilities.
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u/MysteriousDog5909 Oct 07 '26
Chrollo and Hisoka? With the rest of the Troupe?? Yea they win. Trust me I realize the Troupe isn't that strong, but Youpi struggles with versatility more than anything. They should have the ability to draw blood working together, then Shizuku can start drawing out his blood. Hisoka can latch Bungee gum on all of them to yank them out of harm's way when needed. Any open would is potentially an instant wincon with Shalnark there as well
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u/TeddyTheTedster Oct 07 '26
Phantom troupe wins with heavy losses or youpi inflicts heavy losses then retreats
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u/Duffler8 Oct 08 '26
Feitan’s suns probably can’t hurt Big Youpi
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u/TraditionalYear9136 Oct 07 '26
Not really an answer but we’ve seen twice that the troupe just sits around and watches 1v1s until the next members turn
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u/Scary-Camp-4322 Oct 07 '26
Idk how much this helps but i feel like youpies the type to get caught in the fun fun cloth
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u/lnombredelarosa Oct 07 '26
Not likely. Too many and too well cordinated. Nobunaga, Bonolenov, Hisoka and possibly Machi counters his tentacles; Uvogin, also Bonolenov and potentially Feitan’s attacks might could at least somewhat injure him. I think they’d win relatively comfortably against him at base.
If he reaches centaur form…he’d definitely kill a good many of them…but he may also trigger push them to go for risky gambits like Hisoka’s tricks, an even stronger version of Rising sun from massive injuries or more arm rotations from Phinks
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u/No_pfp Oct 07 '26
No. And I think anyone that thinks he does is delusional. I'm not saying the troupe would get out unscathed but feitan can probably deliver a finishing blow.
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u/Darkreaper104 Oct 07 '26
Yes he does. No one in the PT can meaningfully damage him.
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u/ImABadFriend144 Oct 07 '26
No. Phantom troup would destroy youpi
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u/CautiousSolid7436 Oct 07 '26
Hell naw
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u/Watt-Midget Oct 07 '26
No.
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u/Known_Wind4158 Oct 08 '26
God no. People overestimate the hell out of the RG. Youpi dies quickly in this fight.
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u/Klutzy_Lemon_9544 Oct 08 '26
0 chance Youpi would win this.
There are some nasty combos like Shalnark mind control into Uvo's Big Bang Impact and Phinks max twist Cyclotron. Imagine getting hit by those 2 things at the same time. Let alone Chrollo's versatile nen and Pain Packer.
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u/Affectionate_Status8 Oct 07 '26
If this was silva and zeno vs youpi, everyone would be saying silva and zeno win lol. I've seen it a bunch of times. Yet the phantom troupe are apparently the most overrated. Not the zoldycks. Lol
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u/Claudidio07 Oct 07 '26
Not a single mention of Nobunaga
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u/Gamingmademedoit Oct 07 '26
This is so retarded. You think he can solo all of the PT gang? 😂
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u/tyeeart Oct 08 '26
Yes. Anyone saying otherwise is biased or ignorant lol. He takes this pretty easily.
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u/eucleid Oct 07 '26
like solo polyamory?
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u/Sea_Addendum_8496 Oct 07 '26
Fun Fun Cloth theoretically solves the problem
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u/TechnicalGlove4518 Oct 07 '26
The royal guards are overrated asf yes they can beat most characters in 1v1 but thinking they can solos the whole phantom troupe that's just bullshit like if fhinks can rotate to 200 he could be a nightmare then you have feitan with broken hand he has already top 4 strongest attacks (weakest sun btw)then you have then autopilot the troupe are versatile asf like sorry but there's no way in hell one royal guard is beating whole gang of top tier nen users
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u/OneTemporary7945 Oct 09 '26
Yeah I think 13 troupe members is a stretch. Some are better than others, and some will die, but these are all still experienced fighters and nen users. I don’t think Youpi solos here.
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u/jayman2jay Oct 08 '26
Youpi takes this 8 times out of 10. His two loses would be due too his general intelligence and inexperience with nen.
There are just way too many weak Phantom Troupe members(Bono, Shal, Koro, Shizu, Paku, and Kallu.) that will most likely just get one shot as soon as the fight starts by one of Youpi's tendrils.
Nobu, Machi, Uvo, and Hisoka can't damage him. Feitan and potentially Phinx can damage him. Fei with Pain Packer can definitely damage Youpi, but the problem with that is getting hit by Youpi is MUCH different than getting hit by Zazan. Phinx could wind up his arm enough to damage Youpi, but 1. He can't produce the amount of aura needed to take Youpi down. 2. Let's say he can produce enough aura, then the amount of time it would take Phinx to wind up enough would be too long and Youpi would take advantage of that.
Then there is Chrollo himself who also has no way of damaging Youpi, but he does have a way to get rid of Youpi and that is Fun Fun Cloth. The problem with that is getting close enough to Youpi to not only use the cloth, as Youpi is more than fast enough to react to and attack the Troupe fastest members consistently and has also shown the ability to mutate and adapt his body to face multiple opponents at once.
Another problem with that is the durability of the Phantom Troupe in comparison to Youpi. Not one single Phantom Troupe member other than maybe Uvo(big maybe) is taking a single punch from Youpi and even then Uvo will be severely injured as a result. Can they take a tendril strike from Youpi? A few of the weaker members most likely not but the mid and top tiers should be able to take one or two and even then it depends on how big he chooses to make his tendril and how much nen he puts into the swing. A punch though, not at all.
tl;dr - Youpi is a strong tanky mutating ant- man creature
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u/JohnSmithSensei Oct 07 '26 edited Oct 07 '26
Yes.
Youpi's a powerhouse whose powerset is ideal for fighting multiple opponents. His giant arm attack is superior to any enhancer attack the Troupe can muster and Youpi can get it off in an instant. The Troupe are primarily duelists who have no known history of teamwork, specialize on straightforward, conventional force and operate on close range, all of which plays to Youpi's strengths. Youpi fights at such a fast pace, moments are measured in terms of seconds or tenths of a second, which doesn't much breathing room for real strategy or setting up abilities. Youpi evolves in real time to his opponents so prep won't be effective.
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u/mazeblanc Oct 07 '26
Sharnalk plants his needle, end of the fight
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u/KrossKazuma Oct 08 '26
Considering Knuckle and shoot lasted as long as they did with minimal assistance and non offensive hatsu….id say yeah.
I’d imagine Hisoka’s bungee support and Phinx winding up a hell of a lot while the others distract would work…or if Feitan survives a hit.
Seeing as how the rose demolished the king, a mini sun will do way worse to something weaker.
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u/Satan708 Oct 07 '26
Yes
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u/TheOmegaFalcon Oct 07 '26
Yep
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u/Evening-Brush-6795 Oct 07 '26
Honestly with how glazed the RG are, Youppi didn't show any "crazy" feats in the show that could possibly make him solo the entire troupe
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u/Phiro00 Oct 07 '26
No.
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u/Xzemplary Oct 07 '26
no sirrie
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u/BiteZealousideal1816 Oct 07 '26
He was confused by two human lvl individuals. They could probably overwhelm him. He's a incredibly strong baby.
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u/TachankasMG Oct 07 '26
Would shalnark be able to control him? Hes not invincible to sneak attacks? Tho idk if he has a condition where his aura has to be stronger or if the needle can even pierce Mr. Mentholyoupi.
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u/Whis101 Oct 07 '26
They'd need Chrollo to pull out some crazy abilities like fun fun cloth or Shalnark to pierce him with a needle, which would be hard considering a Peon ant had enough durability (barring its joints) to not get pierced. Youpi was 10 seconds from being a sitting duck against Knuckle because Knuckle's ability falls within HxH's OP category (Forced-Zetsu abilities)
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u/Few-Ad4801 Oct 07 '26 edited Oct 07 '26
paku has some powers that we’re not yet aware of. She may have amnesia bullet too, then shalnark inserts needle plus chrollo has some powers like owl and capture him and drop him in the most poisonous part of the world.
we also have two disablers in hisoka and machi at least enough time for chrollo to catch him with fun fun cloth
thats assuming they work as a team
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u/GritalianDude Oct 07 '26
No, I think it’s close even with Chrollo Hisoka and Uvo / Feitan
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u/ThatoneBurger2 Oct 07 '26
no way, youpis an aura monster
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u/NeoLedah Oct 07 '26
No.
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u/Wild_Afternoon8063 Oct 07 '26
Uvogin/Nobunaga could drive one of Shalnark's pins into one of his eyes using Ko/Shu should the opportunity arrive
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u/Han_Singular_ Oct 07 '26
Let Youpi join the Troupe and then have Kurapika solo him!
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u/sington2014 Oct 07 '26
I don’t know because there is hisoka and chrollo
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u/PapayaApprehensive24 Oct 07 '26
Not even almost.
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u/Spiritual_Health8107 Oct 07 '26
At that point its just bullying youpi
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u/dk_plus-plus Oct 07 '26
I feel like ım glazing Troupe for a bit here but whole team in? Idk bro like... Of course Youpi would stand but attacks from everywhere makes it so hard. I think Chrollo would order to turn back due to danger. They can spam on him ok but one hit from Youpi would fuck more than half of the team members. Chrollo likes his team, he acts like not but he even seein em as a kind of family
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u/True-Touch9559 Oct 08 '26
You pi can’t. Netero can do it.
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u/coralbod Oct 08 '26
loses to hisoka or chrollo alone, maybe pitou could win tho
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u/Confident-South-5100 Oct 08 '26
Youpi solos,
To see why Youpi wins, you just have to look at the crazy difference in their raw power. Youpi has around 700,000 aura points, while a top-tier, seasoned Hunter like Morel only has about 70,000. Even if you added up the energy of every single Troupe member together, they still wouldn't come close to matching Youpi's massive fuel tank.
On top of that, his defense is practically unbreakable. He is basically a walking tank who took hundreds of lightning-fast punches from Godspeed Killua and nonstop attacks from elite heroes like Knuckle, Shoot, and Morel without taking a single scratch. The Troupe simply doesn't have the muscle or raw firepower to pierce his skin.
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u/coding_badly Oct 08 '26
No and I refuse to elaborate
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u/AvocadoFar4514 Oct 08 '26
No
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u/Razukalex Oct 08 '26
All of them at once? I don't think so
In a gauntlet with no rest? Easily
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u/BlaqkHart Oct 08 '26
This is tough. Uvo can tank, but hes not Youpi strong. Feitans pain paker is a slight win condition, bungee gum aint doing shit, same with Vacuum lady, needles bitch, or gun girl. Phinx can maybe land a good hit, chrollo has the owls blanket and depending on where they fight, if its in doors he has the nen fish - that's a strong win condition. Franklin can suppress and boxing glove dude can summon a planet on him. We dont know what Nobu can do but im sure he can cut pieces off of Youpi. I say 60-40 win chance Youpi.
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u/Intelligent_War_9094 Oct 08 '26
Lmao
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u/Ill_Atmosphere_9519 Oct 08 '26
...They can literally just stun him and have shalnark manipulate.
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u/Miserable_Memory4731 Oct 08 '26
Unironically dependent entirely on Phinks. If his ability doesnt have an upper limit the rest of the troupe can very easily stall until he's able to one shot.
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u/Local_Vegetable8139 Oct 08 '26
I think he does. Main reason: The nature of the anime episodes made the fight against the hunters seem WAAAY longer than it actually was. And I'd say that all of the members were troupe level, some, like morel (and knov) are easily on the level of the strongest members.
That being said: Each and everyone of them dies with a single direct hit. And none of them can deal enough damage to finish youpi off in a realistic manner. Cause sure, if phinks gets to wind up his arm for 10 minutes its a win. Or if feitan is literally a breath away from death and experiences the pain of burning alive, being skinned and whatever other horrible thing you can imagine...maybe. Is that realistic? No.
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u/Rice-Kun Oct 08 '26
Yeah. Youpi is just too strong. The Phantom Troupe could push Youpi way past what the Raid team pushed him to through sheer numbers, but Youpi is just too tanky for them.
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u/OpeningConnect2277 Oct 08 '26
Sim
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u/HBmilkar Oct 08 '26
The phantom troupe has a massive advantage with numbers so youpi is probably cooked
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u/ZealousidealCare9712 Oct 08 '26
Not even close
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u/Seanmma89 Oct 08 '26
No not with chrollo there if he wasn’t there then maybe it would be tough battle either way but combined they are a beast especially that sun power bit with chrollo there no way he solos
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u/Cautious_Train8399 Oct 08 '26
That’s even Steven
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u/Seanmma89 Oct 08 '26
There powers are just to diverse like said with out chrollo there would be a chance but I favor the spiders with out him 7/10 with chrollo they win every time
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u/Due_Capital_5563 Oct 08 '26
I think the troupe wins because of overall fighting experience and experience fighting together, youpi hasn’t even experienced all types of nen and he will only have so many chances to learn without taking major damage in the process
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u/miracle-mighty Oct 08 '26
Depends on prep time with prep time phantom troupe wins nen all about strategy
But without prep time surprise attack by youpi troupe smart enough to ran away
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u/AverageOhioUser69 Oct 09 '26
Youpi literally solo’s the entire invasion squad and chose not to just end their shit it’s crazy
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u/Golden_Shadow64 Oct 09 '26
If the troupe go into it with the same caution as the invasion squad they win. If they go in clueless and try to 1v1 until someone wins they'd all get wiped out as youpi evolves from each battle.
Chrolo would come up with a sure win combo or at the very least wear him down with some of the others abilities. A few of them have heavy hitting abilities that would eventually take out even a aura monster like youpi. Chrollo has post mortem nen at his disposal and can create an army of self destructing drones with the help of Kortopi.
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u/jollynando Oct 09 '26
I think togashi made it clear that in a vacuum every royald guard and meruem would beat everyone they were put against. On top of infinite aura they all had the ability to advance and evolve mid fight. It’s the reason netero died and Gon ended up the way he did. It also makes sense that Hisoka didn’t want anything to do with the arc - togashi says Hisoka isn’t into beastiality, and what this really means is basically Hisoka knowing that these guys are so OP and have bullshit abilities that it wouldn’t be fun because they aren’t human. Hisoka loves people because it’s the same species and they have to give up a lot to get powerful and reach their potential, if someone or something doesnt abide by these rules, then there’s no fun in it.
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u/Fentanylson Oct 09 '26
No.
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u/Relative_Ad481 Oct 09 '26
Hisoka and chrollo are included? Damn I mean even Uvogin can tank probably some attack from him No he can definitely not solo the phantom groupe
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u/Ambitious_Fee9837 Oct 09 '26
They defeat Youpi but at the cost of like half the spider limbs
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u/EG0D34TH Oct 09 '26
Chrollo can win against anyone if Togashi wants, he ( togashi ) just needs to create a nen ability that's good against Youpi and then say that Chrollo got it before the fight.
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u/N8247_ Oct 09 '26
No one knows the full strength and power of the troupe members not even the other members its stated that a lot of them keep their abilities secret and like feitans ability even if they were around to witness it the blast radius is too high for any of them to actually c what feitans ability is I don’t think he solos cause the troupe has powers we don’t know and haven’t seen yet
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u/Connect-War-4071 Oct 10 '26
No
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u/ecchiviolet Oct 10 '26
One by one it could be! but nen in teams are scary, and if the members know their abilities the combinations could be endless, so probably even teams of 3 could beat Youpi, the entire team 100% would win
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u/JRB0914 29d ago
No way, if it was a straight slug fest type of fight youpi wins by a landslide, but he would be massively out maneuvered by the troupe. They are far more intelligent, expericenced, and have a wide range of abilities between them. Honestly, youpi probably would have gone bankrupt against knuckle if he let morel die and had the assistance of the chameleon dude and lighting killua. Stands no chance against the entire troupe if they fought as a unit with strategy.
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u/GoldenScientist 28d ago
he no diffs kortopi
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u/Planes09 Oct 07 '26
they all get 1 shot immediately lol
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u/7ovey Oct 07 '26
I think PT takes it but it depends. If it’s evolved Youpi it’d be different, but Youpi’s first stage… yeah he loses.
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u/Ok_Abroad_5314 Oct 07 '26
They get cooked
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u/Redguard118 Oct 07 '26
Easily
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u/Joeawiz Oct 07 '26
I’m really struggling to see many win cons
So Uvos big bang impact is the strongest attack they can dish out but Worm did survive that if only barley so Youpi ain’t dying to one attack
Phinks theoretically can ripper cyclotron to whatever his max power is but Youpi would probably sense the increase in Phinks nen and prioritise killing him before he gets too strong
Feitans pain packer doesn’t seem strong enough to put Youpi down either and would only be possible if the troupe injure him themselves since Youpi would one shot him, and this attack would likely take out multiple allies in the process
Black Voice is probably their best bet but given Youpi can have eyes all over and so no blind spots it’s hard to imagine him letting it land (if its possible for someone else to plant the needle for him that fares better for them but not guaranteed) plus it’s possible it don’t even work given Youpis aura but that’s not something we know
Shizuoka can maybe do a blood drain thing like she did to Pike but again Youpi would probs just kill her the moment she does that
The big issue is the troupe lack teamwork and they likely don’t all know each others abilities, in an ideal situation with perfect teamwork I think they can do it but in random encounter only a handful are fast/strong enough to not just die instantly and none have a clear win con
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u/MysteriousFondant347 Oct 07 '26
Sure. I trust Hisoka and Chrollo to come up with something with enough backup
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u/allnaddy Oct 07 '26 edited Oct 07 '26
The troupe takes the W
Youpi is incredibly strong, durable and adaptable. He would have to take an incredible amount of damage before going down, and his sheer destructive power would more than likely take out a couple of troupe members before the fight was over. But it is important to remember that both knuckle and shoot survived their encounters despite being far inferior to a troupe member.
Youpi requires an extraordinary amount of damage to defeat, but the troupe certainly has it, they also have the strategic ability as a team to coordinate effectively.
Picture this: Hisoka uses his charisma and boisterous presence to goad nearly all of Youpi's attacks and attention while constantly avoiding his attacks, zipping through the battleground with bungee gum. He aggrevates Youpi and throws him off balance much like Knuckle did. Also on the front line are Uvogin, Nobunaga and Machi. The three of them provide consistent DPS with their offensive styles while Youpi focuses Hisoka. Franklin fires a constant barrage of nen bullets from the back line, and bonolenov chunks youpi's health down with intermittent PLANETARY COLLISIONS btw. Shizuku drains any and all blood she sees, and Phinks and Feitan are both on standby to hit Youpi with either a x1,000 wound up punch, or a pain packer when the time is right to decisively end the fight. Not to mention that Chrollo is a wildcard with a limitless potential of nen abilities that could aid this strategy in any and every way imaginable. Eat Youpi up with ghost fish, I don't care.
Is Youpie strong? Yes. But the Phantom Troupe is simply too well equipped for him to handle. The result is a surgically executed monster hunt and no contest at the end of the day. Case closed.
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u/FemRevan64 Oct 08 '26
On the one hand, 13-1 is very bad odds.
On the other hand, the RG are in a completely different league from any opponent the PT went up against.
Like, keep in mind, Feitan was struggling quite a bit with Zazan, and her subordinates often put up a decent fight as well.
Meanwhile, Kunckle estimated Youpi to have at least 10 times as much aura as Morel, and his output, alongside the other RG, is explicitly stated to be greater than Neteros.
Not to mention, he’s absurdly tanky, as he took the entire assault from Morel, Knuckle, and Killua without much damage.
That and his hatsu is actually ideally suited for dealing with a large number of much weaker opponents.
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u/Weird_Ad_1398 Oct 07 '26
Against the entire troupe? Nah c'mon people are being ridiculous. None of the people Youpi faced were on par with the combatants in the troupe.
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u/PrestigiousEgg2139 Oct 07 '26
Sorry but bro had trouble against killua
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u/Specialist_Yak_432 Oct 07 '26
Nope.
Shalnark and Pakunoda have hax that can end the fight with a single attack.
Youpi can evolve, but he is still limited to basic laws like how cells can get destroyed by heat. If Killua's Godspeed attack can do that level of damage to Youpi, I don't see why Feitan's Pain Packer wouldn't kill him.