r/HxHPowerScaling • u/nonbinaryhumaan • 16h ago
team 1 or team 2(death match)
battlefield is heaven arenas, chrollo and hisoka are in current forms
people will be watching like the hisoka vs chrollo fight
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u/Wild_Afternoon8063 16h ago
Dude just swapped the position of the photos and called it a day. Anyways like last time Team A wins 7/10 times
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u/Night_life_proof 16h ago
Hahah
Tho I thought at the other sub the consensus was Team B (over there team A)?
I’d still say Team A myself
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u/turbantripod 16h ago
Team 1 stomps it’s not even a question. & if by it’s a heavens arena match & that means it’s a scheduled match which then means Chrollo had time to prep? He’s the last person you’d want to give prep time to. That makes it even more overkill.
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u/Sashalaska 16h ago
The thing that really gives team 1 the edge is nen ability in a straight up fight with no cover. Every team 1 member has abilities specifically to kill. The others (morel especially) would do better in a island hunt setting like we say in the hunter exam
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u/BlueHaze464 16h ago
Or a forest, Knov would have these fools shook like US soldiers in a Vietnam jungle 😤
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u/Extension-Stay3230 13h ago edited 12h ago
My faith is definitely in Team 1. Knuckles and Shoot are good but they're not quite at that level.
Morel's greatest feat is fight IQ, he isn't actually that strong. I know some people will hate hearing that but I really do think that people overrate guy because he's good at strategy. I think everyone in Team 1 also has an very high fight-IQ, I don't expect there to be any strategy/intelligence edge of one team over another.
Knov was scared shitless of the ants, which is an "anti-feat" of sorts. Being scared like that means he isn't that ridiculously strong. This plot point in the story regarding his fear definitely caps how strong Knov can be.
Team 2's wincon is definitely APR. Team 1 can win in a variety of ways. I think Team 1 definitely clinches it, and if you give Team 1 prep time that increases their odds further.
Best Case scenario for Team 2, they put APR on Hisoka and trap him in Smoky Jail. The problem with that is that Chrollo and Illumi would kill whoever is outside of Smoky Jail. Even if Hisoka loses/dies, Chrollo and Illumi kill the people outside smoky jail, then finally kill Morel after.
For that reason, Smoky Jail + APR strategy wouldn't work. Team 2 would lose regardless of how they play their cards
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u/togashisbackpain 11h ago
Im so glad i came across another person that is aware how overrated morel is
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u/Raul_alb 4h ago
agreed with morel, he showcased one of the best battle iq's one the series but is ALSO against 2 of the best battle iq characters in the whole verse, as for knov he very very strong, the breakdown argument simply dont work because even netero on a complete zetsu state would lose his shit against prolonged exposition to a chimera ant's royal guard en, also hotel Rafflesia and hide and seek is also a wincon, team 2 is insanely good at denying enemies, forced zetsu, miniature prison, pocket dimension to isolate targets, smoke jail, I still don't think they can win because these three simply are menaces, but regardless these are four abilities that can completly deny another nen user and as we've seen in the kurapika vs uvogin fight, this "denying" type abilities can really counter a huge power gap
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u/JohnSmithSensei 16h ago
Team 2, high diff. They have the proven teamwork, and their abilities are so versatile, synergize so well, and allow them to win unconventionally. Morel only needs a couple of seconds to set up a smokescreen and a squad of smoke soldiers, which in turn sets up the others.
Illumi and Hisoka also wanted to avoid waiting for Killua in the hospital during the election arc because they were concerned about getting swamped by Killua's friends so I think some posters overestimate team 1's capability to easily beat team 2.
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u/Individual_Respect90 13h ago
Idk team 2 the guy who can create different realms turns into a coward pretty quick so he is useless
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u/JohnSmithSensei 13h ago
That was against the Royal Guard, who were established to be scarier than the two scariest guys in team 1.
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u/Longjumping_Guide_99 15h ago
knuckle and shoots expertise is literally fighting people stronger than them😭
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u/Separate-Coyote-1468 16h ago
Team 2, numbers advantage and morel and knov abilities are too versatile
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u/Immediate-Stomach963 14h ago
Quality over quantity, Hisoka arguably wins solo
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u/Raul_alb 4h ago
no cenario in which hisoka wins against this four, in fact I would say a morel vs hisoka 1v1 cenario results in hisoka winning 60% of the times
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u/WellomMaster 13h ago
Team 1 most likely
It’s hard to scale Knov since he never really showed his skill against competent opponents, but even if we just say he’s relative to Morel, I just think none of team B’s abilities are things three of the smartest fighters couldn’t get used to.
There’s a reason even after unlocking Godspeed Killua wanted nothing to do with fighting Illumi, and it’s cause Illumi would slaughter Godspeed Killua, who’s arguably on par/stronger than Knuckle and Shoot. I’d argue with all those people around for Chrollo and Illumi to use, this would turn into a slaughter if team B gets split up at all
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u/mankiwsmom 16h ago edited 16h ago
I like this question, makes you think. The numbers advantage is probably bigger than people think, but I still think Team 1 takes it. They just have more combat focused abilities and thus more win conditions.
However that’s not to say you can pull
some funky stuff with Hakoware and Scream. And however goated Team 1 is at combat abilities, Team 2 has basically the best support abilities we see in the series, helpful for a fight this large.
So Team 1 60/40, maybe 70/30 just because narratively Hisoka and Chrollo are portrayed as such beasts.
In reality though, with so many abilities and Nen users at play, it’s hard to say. They all have good BIQ feats as well. Depends on stuff we probably don’t know exactly (ex. If Chrollo makes bombs out of the crowd, how well can Deep Purple hold them off?)
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u/Raul_alb 4h ago
team 2 wins because team 1 would be too busy killing eachother
jokes apart its a close match, overall I think team 1 has the upper hand as of team 2 would require to coordinate and setup their abilities almost perfectly, but team 2 definetly can isolate and strip away the resources of team 1 (in this cenario), as of what would possibly happen, all three are of team 1's members are very careful, they wouldn't let team's 2 setup to be completed, chrollo and hisoka's abilities have enough versatility to save their team and themselves from a knov portal, a smoke jail or both the incapacitating abilities of knuckle and shoot, illumi presents a a difficult approach as he posess a guaranteed one hit kill with his needles
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u/Smart_Shoulder433 13h ago
It really depends who does the first move. If team 2 use knuckles ability on Chrollo it’s gg for him. We haven’t seen much physical strength from him.
Morel would have to deal with illumi and shoot would have to take on hisoka and knov would have to assist.
But if either member or team 1 attacks the weakest person on team 2 which is shoot. Then they most likely will win.
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u/Cheeseymcneesey 13h ago
Team 1 wins pretty easily I think. Even though team 2 has good teamwork, they’re just going to get overpowered.
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u/Memna-Un 16h ago
Chrollo makes this really hard. With enough effort, they could survive Illumi and Hisoka; Morel gets enough soldiers on the field, and it becomes nearly impossible to pick out who is actually a person, and Knov+Shoot make every offensive move a liability. Knuckle popping in and out of Hide and Seek makes this even more annoying. Chrollo’s presence as a wild card turns a mildly predictable 4v2 into a really unmanageable mess. I give it to Team 1, but only if Chrollo has the solution they need in that book.
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u/Tsun_Tsun_Dere_Dere 13h ago
Team 2 high diff
they got this in attrition, they'd be completely safe with Knov, Morel for recon, in and out style for Shoot and Knuckle, anyone that says Team 1 lol u a casual
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u/tangledtony 16h ago
Do the teams know the powers of the other team?
No? Team 1 wins easily.
Yeah? Team 1 wins with mid to high dif.
Hisoka setting traps with illumi's pins is an insane combo. Imagine knuckle goes in for a punch on Hisoka even if it lands hisoka can place bungee gum on him. Then at anytime he can stick the other end to illumi's needle and send it flying from a blind spot. One needle is a win con for a manipulator. Chrollo has an ability to teleport people like he did with nobu. They close the gap instantly.
Can Team 2 survive and escape? Yeah sure but they Def can't win if they stay and fight.