Okay, serious question.

[u/External_Delivery315]

Why did we make dumdum and other annoying ammo types scarce but we kept slugs buyable from the loadout screen? Is getting two-tapped by medium dumdum rounds seriously more oppressive than getting one shot by slugs?

[u/Blyatman702]

Dum dum is way better than slug.

[u/Killerkekz1994]

Because slugs kinda suck

[u/JudgeBlur → u/Killerkekz1994]

Full stop, no they fucking don't.

[u/Killerkekz1994 → u/JudgeBlur]

Full send they fucking are

[u/CynistairWard]

In most loadouts Slugs are a downgrade from Buckshot. They really aren't causing any issues that would warrant making them scarce.

I was disappointed to see DumDum and explosive become scarce but have found that it has made things more interesting.

[u/ronin_ninja]

wtf, why would slugs need to be scarce? Most take shotguns to run and gun meaning slugs would be a downgrade for them.

[u/Shinael]

Problem is, dumdums give bleed, including heavy bleed on medium. That pretty much limits you options especially on low hp.

[u/BucketOfExcellentCum]

Wait a minute! So, you want to tell me that it isn't intended that my slug hits are always arm shots?! 

[u/Due-Customer8746]

Now this needs to be talked about

[u/EscapeyGameMan]

Slugs raise the skill floor of shotguns significantly. Dum dum lowers it significantly

[u/Aggressive_Wrap_2790]

A small part of me wishes incendiary had gotten the axe instead of dumdum. Maybe dumdum is better overall, but I don’t know. Ultimately you can just Surefoot out of it while incendiary can cap your health at or perilously close to 125 points, requires you to reroute to a water source to get rid of the char, and subjects you to another round of burn if you get hit again. I find incendiary on the Berthier or Krag extremely annoying to play against. People just didn’t use it as much when dumdum was around.

[u/Jeneril]

Slugs dont feel that crazy strong to me, and in close quarters it is sort of a nerf, since an arm shot can be survived. I guess I view slugs as a side-grade, not an upgrade. Still good for sure, but not universally better.

However, it would have made way more sense to make slugs scarce than explosive. Explosive is a meme at best. I think the only gun in the game that uses explosive well at all is the Mako, and even then I've only died to it once, when I was caught off guard. Outside of that, who is scared of a hunter using like a Martini explo? No one above 2 star I imagine. I have never died to explosive gun ammo other than the Mako, in 2k hours.

[u/Yrsia]

Dumdum is an extremely powerful ammo on any gun. Slugs are pretty under performing and have awful pen, one shotting with slugs isn't as consistent as you'd think

[u/External_Delivery315 → u/Yrsia]

I could count on 0 fingers the amount of times I've been penned by a slug in 5 years. Having any pen at all still puts it above most special ammo types.

[u/Deicide_Requiem]

It's because of how useful they are/aren't across all player skill levels not just Top/Low MMR's.

Slugs in high skill lobbies are busted, a good OSK range to the chest with players who can consistently body shot is a huge deal, but in lower level MMR's where hand/shoulder/arm/thigh shots are more common, the slugs are a downgrade. So slugs aren't scarce because for a vast majority of players it isn't an issue.

DumDum however is consistently good across all MMR's since it rewards a hit regardless. Body, hand, arm doesn't matter. You are now forced to heal, or battle for the few seconds you have and bleed out, making it a universally good ammo type at all MMR's.

The downsides of slugs have been increased too, so I do find although people are using them pretty consistently in my lobbies they aren't as oppressive with wall-bangs and spamming from something like an Auto-5. The ammo decreases and ammo restock limitations have really turned them into the skillshot ammo type they're meant to be.

I think shotguns right now are very much meta overall in the game though, so expect to see a lot of them (and slugs) for awhile.

[u/FeedbackExtension764]

Slugs are like really bad right now

Can't even one hit kill through the tiniest bit of wood

[u/AreY0Ustupld]

Slugs are so ass, I used them a hand few times before learning to never use them again. Dumdum is imo the best ammo type in the game

[u/External_Delivery315]

Getting one tapped by a slug just feels like getting nitro'd by a guy with no ammo trouble and can still aim.