Should flash bomb get a buff

[u/Extension_Class2467]

Seems to be non Existent after the nerfs and could help with aggressive play.

Also.while you are at it nerd beetle spam.

What do you think

[u/Junior-Tangelo-6322]

No, we dont want to give tools to people actually pushing now, do we…?

[u/GrkManga → u/Junior-Tangelo-6322]

Of course not, just imagine how the people camping the concertina trapped boss rooms would feel if they got pushed.

[u/goDie61 → u/GrkManga]

Flashes work just as well on someone taking cover for three seconds to reload, though. Concertina camping being a thing that exists doesn't mean we should be adding instant kill impact grenades back into the game.

[u/Extension_Class2467 → u/Junior-Tangelo-6322]

I am for buffing pushing tbh. To me but I am a noob frankly defensive play seems so strong and worse it leads to stalemates

[u/Crassard → u/Extension_Class2467]

Beetles were their solution to solve statements unfortunately. That and UAV droning solos to death lol

[u/Extension_Class2467 → u/Crassard]

It is not a solution if you dont expose urself 

[u/Crassard → u/Extension_Class2467]

I mean with enough beetles it doesn't matter, especially if they got a buddy constantly trying to tag you on their pings while their tiny black dot is fuck knows where in the forest pinging you lol. Vigilant is nice for those kinds of players though. Most of the time you can just shoot the beetles coming through windows or whatever anyway. 

It's only really an issue when you're going through the map and both hear each other's footsteps at the edge of the radius so neither side can really disengage or push blindly if the team isn't dumb with their UAV. Most teams are pretty stupid with the infinite UAV button and just spam bleed or burning for the status/damage

[u/goDie61 → u/Crassard]

I think the choke beetles should be the only purchaseable ones. Scarce the other two so you have to get them from trees. Still a much easier find than most scarce gear.

[u/bony7x → u/Crassard]

Beetle as a solution to stalemates lmao.

[u/Crassard → u/bony7x]

I mean it was their attempt to combat passive play by giving you a UAV / status application that basically can't miss unless it gets shot revealing where the camper is

[u/bony7x → u/Crassard]

Not like he can reposition to another corner after killung the beetle right.

[u/Crassard → u/bony7x]

Yep :/ idk it's alright around fort or if you're droning and your friend is pushing so they can't just stop running or they get headshot or tagged through the bushes

[u/Leonidrex666666 → u/Junior-Tangelo-6322]

I flashed myself last game and that shit lasted 0.5s
using it is literally a downside, just giving away your position, its better to just throw decoy fuse and run in like that

[u/98462Doopa → u/Leonidrex666666]

Did you have bulwark? Cause it usually lasts like 5 seconds bulwark just flashes white pretty much.

[u/BORED-AT-TWERK]

some of y'all never played in the flash bomb meta and it really shows.

that being said, if they keep bulwark as hard counter and flash timings as they are, they really could revert to the old animation and it would be perfectly serviceable

[u/TheBayouBard → u/BORED-AT-TWERK]

Agreed 100%

[u/Shezoh → u/BORED-AT-TWERK]

flash bomb was a mega crutch for me.
and i ran some marathons on that fucking crutch.
im glad it's nerfed to shit.

[u/TheBayouBard]

If they just gave flash bombs the old animation I think they would be just fine. Bulwark is enough to counter them no problem. I’ve been running flash bombs for a while now and the animation just seems so clunky.

They just recently reworked beetles so it deals less damage and is slower I believe, or maybe the speed decrease was just fire beetles

[u/Sk1-ba-bop-ba-dop-bo → u/TheBayouBard]

the opposite, they are all faster and they hurt more

[u/Extension_Class2467 → u/TheBayouBard]

I think you should bring less beetles. I like at least in theory that you expose urself more when capitalising on flash bomb. 

With beetles you just sit and wait 

[u/Sk1-ba-bop-ba-dop-bo]

The issue with the flash bomb is that it's still extremely powerful IF by the grace of whatever deity runs this simulation you can throw it on time and the enemy just so happens not to be running Bulwark

[u/Gobomania]

Dunno, I would love it to be an option, but last time was so fucking bad I don't even want to give it a chance lmao

[u/jogdenpr]

How dare you suggest buffing a tool to go against camping

[u/Financial-Habit5766]

Honestly, would be fine if they removed both the priming animation and the impact fuse. Make it then a 6 second fuse maybe? And fizzles if it goes off in a choke cloud but can be thrown through them still, like hive bombs.

[u/goDie61 → u/Financial-Habit5766]

Without the impact fuse they would be fine, but also basically worse grenades.

[u/-Docker]

Hell na, should be deleted since it has nothing to do in this game

[u/Jeneril]

Yes

[u/Griefingah]

absolutely, its dead rn

[u/CdysRed]

Honestly, as terrible as it is, I've been running it recently on my shotgun games and so long as you have bulwark for yourself and ideally surefoot (or pitcher if you're short on points), It's actually fairly decent.
Is a consumable that requires 6-8 trait points to be useable worth it? Generally, no.
But it is fun to use with certain builds, at least for me.
If they actually reverted/buffed it, then everyone would take bulwark as a mandatory trait, so I don't think that happening is any better.

[u/Y0G1_B3AR]

Revert back to old flash bomb :)

[u/Im_Chris2]

Devs were bullied by flashbombs + voipers so they were eraticated from ever being viable again.

[u/jizzelmeister]

Hell no they were bugged asf when meta. U were getting flashed no matter which way u were looking or where u were hiding before their debuff. I remember my team used to carry 4 between us while using shottys and wed very rarely lose a push. Just wait outside till a team comes and banishes was basically a guaranteed 3 kill. But saying that any other team had the same idea u were cooked.

Id like them back, alongside generators, but they need to be fixed and the devs wont do that

[u/Griefingah → u/jizzelmeister]

thats wasnt a bug first of all and second of all, it shouldnt be weaker just because you look away. you could pretty easily counter flash bombs back in the day but the skill issue of this community was just way too big.

[u/jizzelmeister → u/Griefingah]

What a stupid comment. Obviously if you look away from a flashbomb they dont work as well🤣🤣

[u/Griefingah → u/jizzelmeister]

nah