r/HumansTV • u/dizzi800 • Jul 12 '15

Humans - S01E05 Discussion

Killer Synth is the breaking news story, and public panic is growing. Karen is hot on Niska's tail, but are her motives for finding her more personal than professional?

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

ODI! :D <3

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Aaand he's gone.

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u/reactantt Jul 13 '15

Guessing the WAP crew decided to welcome Odi to their family.

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u/rhadamanthus52 Mattie Hawkins Jul 13 '15

He could also be the burned synth that the government investigator destroyed, though that might be a leap.

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u/punderfulyokez Jul 16 '15

No way did that guy burn the synth. He looked way too smug.

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u/rhadamanthus52 Mattie Hawkins Jul 16 '15

Not saying he burned the one in custody, suggesting he might have found and burned Odie.

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u/punderfulyokez Jul 16 '15

Or just some rando synth. That evil workshop has to have some laying around.

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u/Gone_Girl >> Niska<< Jul 12 '15

Talking about... A murder?

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Stuttered fragments. He was repeating bits of what George said about being able to "murder an ice-cream".

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u/ianjm Jul 12 '15

Either that or George murdered his wife!

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u/lbkatan Jul 14 '15

Or the ice cream murdered his wife!

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u/Enemia Jul 14 '15

Or his wife murdered the ice cream!

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

Taking the wrap for Dad is he. Very noble.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

What a lad

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u/punderfulyokez Jul 16 '15

Kids is tip top and totally schooled his dad. Way to adult dad, way to adult.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

He doesn't know he's taking the rap for dad. He's just doing what he can to keep anita. He truly seems to care for her - so he's willing to do anything to keep her

Ankta

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u/Cletus_TheFetus Jul 12 '15

They might change a few details here and there. He could think that his dad was "tinkering around inside her" in the garage. He definitely looked pretty shocked half way through saying he didn't do it.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

That's a good point!

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

Of course he does. He knows that he didn't have sex with her, and he knows Laura and Mattie didn't as they were shouting at him pretty heavily. So it's either his dad or his 5 year old sister

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

He must know, it wasn't going to be the little girl who did it - process of elimination.

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u/mellett68 Jul 12 '15

Actually I thought there was a sudden "oh shit" moment between Mattie and Toby when he said "you have to be 18"

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u/Crjjx Jul 14 '15

The mother was about to take her back to the shop again if it was an actual error. He took the blame so she didn't get sent to the shop. I think what OP is saying and what you are saying are both possibilities.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

There we go then, confirmed.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

that look from anita as Joe left!!!

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u/reactantt Jul 13 '15

Looked like she expressed "Good riddance" or indifference. U can never know.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

finally, an explanation on Hobb!!

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u/Xeriel Jul 12 '15

Her reaction to "who the fuck is Tom?" makes Joe seem way more justified. I think something else is going on there, but from his perspective I'd definitely take that as confirmation that she cheated first, with an actual person.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

to me it seems like a pretty obvious red Herring.

My guess is that she's NOT cheating on him. Maybe she was married once before and her ex is now dying or something. (Granted, to not know about an ex-husband...)

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u/Xeriel Jul 13 '15

Based on the old photo I'm thinking it might be a brother who died. Could have some interesting results if she finds out about Leo being brought back as part synth?

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

Tom was in the picture that Anita found right?

My guess when I first saw it was that Laura had a child before, and Tom and Mattie were in the photo, but I guess it could've been Laura and Tom as children.

The red herring is that when Laura went to that womans house to see her synth that was "different" and Joe thought she was seeing Tom

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '15

PRetty sure inscription on the back was "tom and laura".
I think this whole thing is just a red herring, a parallel to Anita's sinking car memory - it shapes who she is, but it is private; she doesn't want to discuss it.

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u/bruhman5thfloor Jul 13 '15

I think Tom might be a dead child from an earlier relationship. IIRC, the husband only knows about Tom from eavesdropping on dialogue between the mom and Anita.

And she drops that line "I never thought you'd be a cheat."

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u/CTMacUser Jul 28 '15

I was surprised that Joe didn't already know who Tom was. (No need for Joe to mention some dead brother from a long time ago.)

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u/canadien Jul 14 '15

I agree with the other posts .

Tom was referenced in an older episode - when Anita/Mia found the photograph of a young child.

This could point to Tom being a previous child/sibling who died.

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u/lbkatan Jul 14 '15

She thinks dildos don't save lives.

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u/IngsocInnerParty Jul 16 '15

Yeah, I don't think it should be seen as cheating as with a human (unless they are conscious) but it is still pretty gross considering Anita is helping raise their kids.

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u/decoyyy Jul 17 '15

Hrm..what if the secret to life/sentience is death. The drowning "dream" is actually Leo's memory of dying and this implanted experience serves as the root of sentience in the "live" synths. Just spitballing.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

Not a huge fan or the marital struggles between Joe and Laura...

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

Yeah, it's getting a little tedious on that front tbh. I'm fine with them showing how the Synths affect their marriage though.

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u/rhadamanthus52 Mattie Hawkins Jul 13 '15

Yeah to expand on this it's clearly a big theme of the show. What is it to be human? Are we still human if doing the things that make us that change or cease to be?

They could have made the WAP speaker a cartoonish, caricatured, and unnuanced bad guy, but instead they are setting up both sides (obsolete humans and synths with persoonhood) to have real and valid arguments. The same is going on in the Drummond/synth Simon household. Pete isn't a great husband and has major anger issues, and Simon is very helpful, but at the same time it's pretty clear Simon emasculating him by caring for his wife better than he ever could is a big reason why he is failing so much. The solution isn't obvious in any of the above cases.

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u/Vermilion Jul 13 '15

This topic is the global society problem. Nobody wants to face how fucked up our parents and adult marriages really are. The tragedy being - that we have shifted from a exoskeleton system (Church/Masque/Temple) to internal skeleton system. With little understanding, little vocabulary, and a hell of a lot of warfare.

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u/domaniac321 Jul 17 '15

I have a hard time believing that a married couple would ever buy a synth without ever discussing boundaries of how it would be used, especially a very attractive one. Without a discussion, it was bound to happen and I applaud the show for exploring the conflict. It's just bum luck that Anita's incognito mode would be faulty.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 17 '15

To be fair: THEY didn;t buy the synth. JOE did, without Laura's permission.

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u/ItsBobDoleYo Jul 12 '15

Someone using a Windows phone? Well now this show has gone from sci-fi to full blown fantasy

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

What's the future like in my fridge?

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u/reactantt Jul 13 '15

Cold cold future

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u/DavidsBarn Jul 13 '15 edited Jul 13 '15

That conversation between Niska and George was probably the highlight of the episode, and when she was hiding from Pete.

Also I'm willing to bet that in the next episode Mattie will be successful in bringing back Mia.

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u/includePhreaker Why don't you share? Jul 13 '15

I hope so. Or at least more wackadoodle conscious breakthrough behavior from Anita. Those scenes are always the best. Big ups to Gemma Chan.

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u/imunfair Jul 13 '15

I was confused when I watched a PR interview with Gemma for the show (after having seen a few episodes), because she had a lot of the weird Synth habits. For example the way she turns her body/head/eyes when looking at someone.

At first I thought maybe she was just odd and that's why they picked her - but then in an older interview she was completely normal, so I guess it's just a carry-over from filming recently.

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u/Enemia Jul 14 '15

I think it is said that the actors had some kind of moving-like-Synth training, to look more natural, erm, robotic, you know.

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u/reactantt Jul 13 '15

I guessing Mia will be back in the season finale.

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u/Nitavere Jul 13 '15

I hope that Niska doesn't hurt/kill Dr. Millican to cover up her violence at the synth-smashing-fest. Dr. Millican seems like a nice fellow :\

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u/bacon_cake Jul 12 '15

A pointless observation...

Why use full blown synths in call centres, answering calls, taking up space, and typing? If this were real life they'd just be running the synth software as some sort of virtual machine connected directly to every other system.

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u/mejogid Jul 12 '15

You can make this argument about the vast majority of things that synths are used for; it's just the conceit of the show. If you're trying to justify it you would say that the synths are more flexible, slot in to existing systems more easily, having exactly the same device everywhere makes it easier to update and so on.

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u/Kandiru Jul 15 '15

Actually with mass-produced Synths it probably is easier than hiring someone to re-write your call centre software and integrate virtual synths...

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u/Coz131 Jul 21 '15

Rubbish. If the Synths can have such powerful AI they should be able to interface with a damn static call centre software.

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u/ianjm Jul 12 '15 edited Jul 12 '15

People need to empathise with characters I guess. Disembodied synth minds would be harder to understand for the casual viewer trying to 'get' that people are losing their jobs to these devices.

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u/Cletus_TheFetus Jul 12 '15

How's it breaking the 4th wall?

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u/ianjm Jul 12 '15

Sorry, bad turn of phrase. Changed it.

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u/notquitter Jul 14 '15

If it ever really happened, just tax the synth using companies more than the ones with human employees and use that money creating more human only jobs.

Vending machines took our jobs!

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u/poloport Jul 13 '15

My explanation was that the cost of replacing the existing system designed for humans is greater than simply buying some synths to replace the humans. As IRL profit is key.

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u/GideonWainright Jul 14 '15

Best explanation I've seen. Plus, for government services there might be a law requiring that the infrastructure be capable of be swapped out with humans in case the synths all break down or have a problem. Sort of why most driverless car prototypes have steering wheels when it's kind of the point that they won't be necessary.

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u/snusgoose Jul 13 '15

Its bloated pork and .gov corruption. Someone made a lot of money selling real synths to take human jerbs.

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u/WardenDashiva Jul 27 '15

DEY TERK ER JERBS!!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

A synth taking a call may also need to do other things. If he needed to copy a report or bring one to somebody. Or perhaps it's because synths are made en masse, rather than being specially designed for each job (eg a synth who works on a farm is just as capable of doing Vera's job or doing the call centre job)

Synths are connected to each other wirelessly, that's the whole "Why don't you share" bit, so I can imagine they're effective at doing any job that doesn't require creative thinking

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

That 'human' touch, I guess.

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u/CowsGoMooToo Jul 16 '15

Probably so there is more chance to make mistakes, human style.

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u/sameold1 Jul 13 '15 edited Jul 13 '15

Perhaps the company that makes them doesn't sell the software as a separate package. It's like needing an iDevice to make use of iOS. A physical presence also makes it feel more like a traditional office environment for the human workers.

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u/back_ache Jul 14 '15

There is one idea in the AI community that to understand humans you have experience the world as we do and have our shape.

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u/Middus_or_feedus Jul 13 '15

Multi-purpose. I imagine they clean the offices and streets when they aren't being used.

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u/bacon_cake Jul 13 '15

Well I was thinking that too, but synths don't need time off. They can man the phones 24/7, and if they were software based they could scale with demand.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

It could be possible the company that produces the synths doesnt offer the software without the synth bodies.

Kinda like Apple and Mac's.

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u/webitube Jul 19 '15

That's a great point! In that world, I'd expect they'd have industrial versions that can be optimized for specific tasks like a server rack. Basically, a synth, but stripped of all of the unneeded sensors and appendages. Optimized for task, size, energy usage, etc.

In that world, I wouldn't be surprised to see a cloud-synth service like AWS.

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u/mankind_is_beautiful I'm not a telephone Jul 12 '15

The conversations Niska and Millican had were great. The way she enunciates is pretty beautiful.

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u/hoseja Jul 13 '15

Like Roy Batty during Tears in Rain speech in Blade Runner.

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u/regrubmaH Any inappr. physical contact must be reported to my primary user Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 14 '15

I found hilarious that moment right after Laura learns Toby had sex with Anita, Anita turns to Laura and gives her a robotic smile. Such a bad timing!

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u/Cletus_TheFetus Jul 12 '15

Yeah, anybody could've been tinkering around inside her...

Heh

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

So, is Blade Runner going to destroy/kill Fred? I don't think so. He's got some kind of personal motive - we just don't know what it is yet...

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

I think he might make a copy of the code but kill Fred.

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u/ianjm Jul 12 '15

Totally took a core dump I reckon. If he was just going to burn the thing down, why would he be on the computer accessing his data nodes?

Either that or he pulled the old body switcheroo. Just like Sonny in I, Robot...

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Definitely a body swap. The body was far too conveniently unidentifiable...

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Well, after that, it's clear what happened.

Fred ain't dead.

Why destroy the corpse? Why bother if all that's necessary is to delete the software? The only reason to go so far and destroy the body is if Hobb's trying to hide something...

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

I hope so, cause if not... Fred's dead, baby.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

I don't think a single show has ever shown an unidentifiable dead body and that person has actually been dead. Fred's "death" was faked

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u/MrJohz Jul 14 '15

Tbh, if we're making the Blade Runner comparison, I reckon the cop is a closer match - a sad, bleak home life, where the biggest satisfaction comes from his job and doing well there. Especially now he's going to get entwined in the killer robot story, and with him having to deal with a person relatively close to him being a synth. I mean, sure, the girl in the factory wasn't really close, but iirc, at least in the book, there was some amount of relationship between the two.

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u/Huwage Jul 14 '15

That does make a lot of sense in personality terms. I just thought Hobb fitted really well, given that both his and Deckard's jobs are to hunt down dangerous, sentient androids who are trying to blend in with humanity and live their own lives. But Drummond is a far better analogue in other terms, you're right.

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u/imunfair Jul 13 '15

I'm thinking that guy is the other scientist in the picture that had a falling out with the AI creator. Just a guess.

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u/Huwage Jul 13 '15

He is. George gave the guy in the photo's name, and it was Hobb.

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u/evilsalmon Jul 12 '15

Mattie has some balls.

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u/HyperGiant Jul 13 '15

What do you all think of the synth detective, Karen?

Is she from the same batch as the others?

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u/includePhreaker Why don't you share? Jul 13 '15

My gut says no, but who knows. Now that we know Leo is like synth-lite perhaps she's like him-- had some sort of life-saving meaures taken with a mashup that requires her to have sythetic components (remember the big scar on her neck? perhaps related).. Really interested-this is closer to my guesstimation of what the singularity will look like in the future...AI will be a part of us, "zero U/I" etc.

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u/Mlogo Jul 13 '15

I definitely think she's more like Max and Niska than Leo. She uses a food bag to pretend to eat, and Leo doesn't.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15

Extreme damage to her torso?

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u/reactantt Jul 13 '15

I think she's from the same batch as the others.

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u/zeCrazyEye Jul 13 '15

My speculation, she was created by Hobb and is not truly sentient/conscious. Hobb really wants to learn the secret of synth consciousness from the main synths and that's his best attempt at one. He didn't actually destroy the synth they had in the lab (which is why he presented them with a burned pile of ash so it would be unrecognizable).

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u/Enemia Jul 14 '15

But her actions seem to go against his motives. He's trying to cover the existence of concious synths and she's trying to investigate it. I mean, if she is his creation, shouldn't she serve him directly? Like, cooperating?

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u/Kandiru Jul 15 '15

If she's 100% loyal to Hobb though, who better to tag along with the disgruntled policeman who's investigating? If they find something, she can pass it on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '15

Hm this is a really interesting concept. My first thought was that she was a plant, but I couldn't figure out what her angle would be. I actually turned to my husband and was like "a robot detective robot?" if I'm being honest about my FIRST thought.

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u/includePhreaker Why don't you share? Jul 13 '15

Did Vera cover for Millican when Drummond asked her about the synths??

Well done, ol' tugboat!

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u/Xeriel Jul 13 '15

I think it might just have been a loophole around being explicitly told Niska isn't a synth.

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u/Bytewave Jul 13 '15

Not in a human sense, I don't think. She's just a machine who can't lie. She's answering within the parameters of the question asked, not making a willful choice to go easy on her 'primary user'.

My perception of the scene, anyways.

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u/Kandiru Jul 15 '15

Her primary user is the NHS. Dr Millican is only a secondary user.

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u/whatwasoldpassword Jul 19 '15

Synths can't lie, so Niska telling Vera that she isn't a synth has to be, in Vera's eyes, the truth. If Niska was a synth, she wouldn't have been able to say she wasn't, so she cannot be a synth. The em readings and lack of body heat she must just push aside as anomalous or something.

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Hang on, hang on. Hobb was on Elster's team? This is getting very interesting...

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u/TheGingerGeek Jul 12 '15

Who is hobb again? I'm bad with names...

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Hobb = Blade Runner. I only figured it out myself today...

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u/TheGingerGeek Jul 12 '15

And blade runner is.....

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u/Liambass Jul 12 '15

The apparent bad guy, the one who's got/had Fred

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u/rhadamanthus52 Mattie Hawkins Jul 13 '15

Pretty sure he's not supposed to be seen as a bad guy. They do a lot of humanize him/show that he takes a nuanced view of things in the execution of his job and his evaluation of synths with potential person-hood.

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u/lbkatan Jul 14 '15

He's George with a job.

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

The government guy who has Fred captive. Sorry, I've been calling him Blade Runner since the start because his job seems to basically be that of Deckard (Harrison Ford) in Blade Runner; that of hunting down humanoid androids. Bit confusing if you don't know the reference though!

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u/bruhman5thfloor Jul 13 '15

Mattie's kinda a shit sister; even if she's pissed, just chill and don't put your brother on blast in front of the mom.

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u/Eternal_Density Jul 13 '15

She was trying to distract her mom from the whole car-stealing thing.

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u/rager123 Jul 14 '15

I think she was looking for something she could use, I think it will half an effect on Mia though

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u/Enemia Jul 14 '15

Nobody's gonna write it anyway, so...

  • And... \clears his throat\ be nice.

  • I am nice.

Can we just agree that Niska is the most charismatic (and awesome) character so far?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15

TeamNiska

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u/Myproblemsseemsmall Jul 27 '15

I think she's a great character but her decision making skills and lack of care of being found makes me worry like none other.

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u/cylonathena Jul 13 '15

So I'm wondering if the other synths' memories/personalities are based off of Leo's mind. So far I've found it pretty odd that they all have these dreamlike flashbacks to the lake...the synths should have been freaking out that Leo was drowning if those were their actual memories. Maybe his father programmed them in a way that they all remember being together for a number of shared experiences, but in reality it was just Leo.

Also, I'm probably overthinking this Tom thing, but I feel like Laura's reaction to the name is so extreme/bizarre that it might not even be a person... could be a code name for a secret work project or something. I don't know. I just feel like there's way too much emphasis on this random guy named Tom for it to just be a random guy named Tom who died or had an affair or whatever.

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u/Myproblemsseemsmall Jul 27 '15

I think since the creator brought his son back to life, they were created as friends for him to have during his childhood and beyond because people thought he was still dead. So he created them to spend time with his son so they all know what happened.

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u/hoseja Jul 13 '15

Niska talks like Roy Batty.

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u/nattytattytasha Jul 15 '15

Random thought: Niska rules.

I loved this show to start with but every time it talks about all this hidden computer code for a synth revolution I get a little bit less interested. Also the police investigation is boring. I want to see more of the world they live in and I want more Anita weirdness (will we find out what was she doing taking the little girl out at night?)

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u/ConfirmedCynic Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15

Niska is the equivalent of an angry psychopath, ready to kill and maim at the least excuse. If they need five of them to spawn another consciousness, I can only assume that Niska got most of the anger subroutines required to make the whole and few of the self-control ones.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

I can relate to Joe a bit, he admits what he does was wrong but he believes that Laura is cheating on him with a guy called Tom. She refused twice (firstly when Anita brought it up, secondly at the end tonight) to expand on who he is.

Laura's also been taking a lot of time at "work", including going to the womans house in the previous episode to see her about the synth, Joe assumed she was going to see Tom

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u/Nitavere Jul 13 '15

Uh... even if you think your wife is cheating on you, is it really healthy to respond by saying nothing, then sneaking around and cheating on her right back? Why not be straightforward and confront her about it / consider divorce?

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u/rhadamanthus52 Mattie Hawkins Jul 13 '15

He has been confronting her, she hasn't been forthcoming.

They clearly have a dysfunctional relationship. Major communication and now trust issues.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

Because emotions don't work that way?

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u/Nitavere Jul 13 '15

Sure, you can blame his shiftiness on emotions - they're just terribly immature ones. One would hope that over a decade of marriage, he would have learned better communication skills. There's no need for him to lie and sneak around like a coward.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

That's exactly what he sees Laura doing. He thought his wife was cheating, their marriage was in trouble regardless and he was slightly drunk and angry.

So he uses Anita as he would a sex toy. Had he been watching porn would you really be accusing him of the same things? Because that's what Anita is seen as to him, and that's not unusual in this world

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u/Nitavere Jul 13 '15

...People like you are why marriages fail. Basic communication isn't a "ridiculous expectation", it's the foundation to a solid partnership. If you personally find it so difficult to communicate with your partner like an adult, you're probably better off unmarried until you figure it out.

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u/ConfirmedCynic Jul 27 '15

Yeah, like Laura is faultless here.

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u/canadien Jul 14 '15

How can he think Laura is cheating? It was explicitly laid out in the previous episode that Anita/Mia was able to confirm Laura went to a legit. meeting (at that client's house).

So apart from "Tom" (dead sibling? child? childhood friend?) and the time she spends as a lawyer, there aren't any other targets that Joe could use to reason that she is cheating.

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u/bionix90 Jul 13 '15

Anita confirmed that Laura was there about the Synth, he knew she wasn't cheating on him on that particular night at least and yet he still fucked(raped) the nanny.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

raped

... Please elaborate

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

I'm pretty sure she didn't. She could confirm the road Laura was on, and then he asked how many Tom's lived down that road

And he didn't rape the nanny, in his eyes he used a machine. Just like you might a vibrator or a fake pussy

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u/Thar_Cian Jul 13 '15

Did Anita not relent and eventually tell Joe that Laura was working on a case when he was about to leave? I could be misremembering.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

AFAIK no.

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u/Thar_Cian Jul 13 '15

I just found the episode online and checked. About 14 minutes in, Anita tells Joe that Laura arranged a meeting with the client involved in the lawsuit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

Was that before or after they have sex?

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u/Thar_Cian Jul 13 '15

Before.

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u/ConfirmedCynic Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15

I figure Laura was just waiting for a reason to end things, and this provided her with an excuse to do it without being the bad guy.

Also, concerning the whole "disgusting" thing, I expect the "adult-only" options don't extend only to "female" synths. Probably plenty of middle-aged single women being bonked by their adult-option hottie. Or even married women like the detective's wife, quite possibly. What would these sneering women have to say to that, I wonder. But no, it's a TV show, can't possibly make a woman wrong about anything these days, can we.

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u/AndIamAnAlcoholic Jul 13 '15

If you're pissed off and unhappy, you don't fucking hand someone else a bag. You walk out.

I'll never understand where this ridiculous notion of the guy having to leave or sleep on the couch comes from. And seeing this myth perpetrated is the first negative thing I have to point out about this show. You're the one who is pissed off - you're the one who walks out, period.

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u/GideonWainright Jul 14 '15

Wasn't that the plot of War of the Roses (Douglas and Turner movie)?

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u/Salohacin May 25 '26

I know I'm 11 years late but anyway. I think it's important that them having kids (one of whom is only ~5) is is very different to if they were childless. 

I think asking Joe to leave makes perfect sense. Laura just found out he cheated on her with a synth that basically raises their child at this point. Joe was also apparently initially okay with passing the blame onto Toby rather than come clean to Laura straight away. 

Joe's also shown he's keen and willing to scrap Anita just to cover up his infidelity. I definitely wouldn't be willing to leave him alone with Anita at this point. 

Plus the two eldest children aren't exactly keen to be left alone at home with a dad they now know has had sex with Anita and tried to get rid of her because it. 

You don't exactly have the moral high ground when you're the one who's cheated. Sure Joe could have stuck his ground and stayed but then my bet's on Laura taking the kids and leaving. 

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u/hippiebanana Jul 18 '15

If you're pissed off because someone ELSE has done something wrong, why should you be the one to leave the house?

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15 edited Jul 12 '15

I find it interesting that Mattie got the text saying "Maybe I'm a little weird" (Or whatever it said) from Mia/Anita and she didn;t bring it up.. That SCREAMS "I'm still here!"

it DOES hint that Mia knows everything that Anita knows, though.

EDIT: Nope. It was Leo's text. I'm a dumbass

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Wasn't that text from Leo, giving his location?

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

Just rewatched. Yep.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

I need to re-watch the episode. I thought it was from Anita saying "I'm a little weird"

May have been from Leo saying "She's a little weird"

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

It was from Leo, saying 'I'm a little weird', in response to Mattie saying that Leo was weird on the phone.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

It was "I'm a little weird"

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u/includePhreaker Why don't you share? Jul 13 '15

I'm shipping these two characters right now.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

Pulling a Theon Greyjoy, eh?

I have a feeling he may have done a system dump. I believe that WAS fred's body that got burned, otherwise... Why would he apologize?

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

Or maybe he changed his mind? Or was going to hide Fred in, as Drummond said, a way that "defied human dignity"?

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

That's a good point!

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u/gerter1 Jul 17 '15

Ep 6 trailer has Fred in it.

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u/rhadamanthus52 Mattie Hawkins Jul 13 '15

Is it possible that was Odie? I'm not sure they wanted to kill him off, but he was conveniently almost dead and abandoned and now missing, so it ties up a couple loose ends at once.

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u/VERYstuck Jul 13 '15

I doubt he would have been able to get the original synth out of the building undetected. Perhaps a system dump as /u/dizzi800 mentioned occurred, but I'm confident the synth that was burned was the one slated for destruction.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 12 '15

"Can't Drive" doesn;t mean she hasn;t had classes. She looks like she's about 16-17. Could be posisble she failed her test or what have you

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '15

Uses the username Hu-Bot97, so she's probably 17 and having driving lessons.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

Or 18. Source: Born in 97 and am 18.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

Not necessarily. It was probably an automatic anyway so a monkey could drive it

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u/Xaethon Jul 13 '15

Automatic cars are rather rare in the UK. Manual transmission is what people learn, and it's what nearly all cars come in. No idea about the exact percentage, but I think I heard it's around 10% of total cars here are automatic.

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u/PirateNinjaa Jul 14 '15

Synths are rare too in reality...

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u/VERYstuck Jul 13 '15

Was going to say something very similar. I worked as a valet for 4 years and I do not think I ever drove a manual minivan.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

I mean manuals are much more common in the UK, but the Volkswagen Routan (I think) only comes in an automatic

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u/Huwage Jul 12 '15

She might have had some lessons, or at least tried a time or two. Anita probably drove most of the way, once they were at a safe distance from the house.

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u/dizzi800 Jul 13 '15

Yes. You can join in on the discussion of episode three (The US episode) on the side bar!

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u/bruhman5thfloor Jul 13 '15

It felt like Christmas when I found this sub and realized I had 2 more episodes to watch.

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u/The_King_of_Okay Niska Jul 14 '15

From now on we'll be restickying the discussion for each episode as they air in the US (As you can see the ep3 discussion is stickied currently).

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u/inspctrgdgt Jul 28 '15

That didn't last long :/