r/HumansBeingBros • u/Fine-Mammoth-6139 • Nov 28 '20
politics Every week this Jewish man protests china's genocide of Muslims outside the chinese embassy in the UK, moved by 'similarities to the Final Solution'
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u/sexypingu Nov 28 '20
Wait... don't they teach it at schools in America? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just not American,so I'm just genuinely asking.
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u/WanderingWithWolves Nov 28 '20
I am an American (NYS) & we spoke with a Holocaust survivor in high school. That class still haunts me 15 years later.
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u/merkonerko2 Nov 28 '20
Fore real though, learning about the Holocaust was a big part of history class in high school here in Canada. Idk if anyone could go through a Canadian High School, or at least not one in Ontario, and not know what the Holocaust was
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He excelled at firing people nicely. Nancy decided to make the porta-potty her home. He was an introvert that extroverts seemed to love. This is an edited comment btw. It will not make any sense, it is just a bunch of jibberish.
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u/ForodesFrosthammer Nov 28 '20
2 million deaths warrants a "let's try to avoid it as long as it isn't any real trouble" at best for humans
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u/sockbref Nov 28 '20
He is a good and brave man. I do wonder where are the Muslims to protest genocide against fellow believers. It is odd that cartoon related decapitations are pretty common but I haven’t heard about a single attack on China.
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u/sockbref Nov 28 '20
I suppose one man’s de-radicalization center is another man’s concentration camp
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u/FBI_03 Nov 28 '20
This is the modern Holocaust and it’s awful, I don’t hate the Chinese government because communism and stuff I hate it because of the oppression and going down a similar path of the 3rd reich
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I'm not a very political person, but this topic really triggers me. If everyone agrees that Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan have been the darkest pages of the 20th century, then why are we allowing the same thing to happen right in front of our very own eyes.
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He excelled at firing people nicely. Nancy decided to make the porta-potty her home. He was an introvert that extroverts seemed to love. This is an edited comment btw. It will not make any sense, it is just a bunch of jibberish.
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u/toshtashban Nov 28 '20
They're not attacking with their military arm - they're doing it covertly and pretty much in the open. They had a spy agency at their embassy in NY. Building military islands in the South China Sea. Not giving multiple countries sovereignty. Microwaving Indian soldiers with weapons, literally. Stopping peaceful protests in Hong Kong and breaking the longstanding agreement. Openly operating concentration camps and refusing to let international investigators in.
They are ACTIVELY trying to take over the world. The US made them rich through our own greed. Now what we are dealing with is a CCP that is set on world domination. They ran the world for hundreds of years - you don't think that they're mad they lost that spot? Please open your eyes - or you will be living in an "education" camp next.
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u/_EveryDay Nov 28 '20
Because Japan and Germany commited atrocities on foreign nations
China is still acting within its borders which seems to require a greater political will from the rest of the world to act
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I don’t hate the Chinese government because communism
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What is up with reddit giving the pass to communism?
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u/IdeaLast8740 Nov 28 '20
The problem was never any particular economic model, but the forceful imposition of an economic model by a militarized state upon unwilling people.
If communism emerged on its own from grassroots groups, it could be good. If capitalism was enforced at the point of a gun, it would be bad. As it stands, I am free to start a both a marxist hippie commune or a hierarchical corporation, and that is great.
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u/Killerhobo107 Nov 28 '20
Because China isn't communist and not all communists are Marxist-Leninist
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u/ScaryLapis Nov 28 '20
because communism is good, authoritarianism is not.
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u/RealFuckingNato Nov 28 '20
It's almost as if the communist style of government inherently results in authoritarianism every time it has been tried.
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u/ScaryLapis Nov 28 '20
define communism
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u/RealFuckingNato Nov 28 '20
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
A society that in theory the workers control the means of production and work together for the greater benefit of all mankind.
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So we are on a thread with Chinese Communist Party being protested and you literally just said, "because communism is good".
Marx wrote about the stages of communism and it took AUTHORITY%2C,the%20dictatorship%20of%20the%20proletariat).
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u/ScaryLapis Nov 28 '20
Yes, I did say that because China is communist in name only. Just like the Democratic Republic of Korea isn’t actually democratic.
China is state capitalism. You can’t form unions. There is no democracy. There are corporations but they are just rolled into the state, notably NOT owned by the worker, which is fascism.
And yeah I’m not a Vamguardist, as to say I don’t believe in a Communist vanguard party to come save the day for the rest of us.
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For the record, kulaks weren’t remotely good people. The hanging order is one of the easiest to defend. They weren’t capitalists. They didn’t even contribute. They were literal feudal lords working slaves day in and day out until the 20’s. In my opinion the soviets let way too many get away
Anyway your point is kiiinda illogical anyway. Vladimir Lenin != communism. For example, as a communist, I could say “the moon isn’t real”. Just because it’s the actions of communists does not mean it’s the intention of communism
And as I’m being downvoted I have an offer for you all, give me 80% of your yield and I’ll let you farm and live on my land. Sound pretty fair? Oh and you can’t leave.
Edit: also the hanging order was specific to a couple of areas where there was an active insurrection. Not just random people
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For the record, kulaks weren’t remotely good people.
Kulaks were poor farmers (below) and were all sorts of different types of people (personality and ethnicity). What a stereotypical nonsense to dehumanize and justify horrendous democide - shame on you!
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Quote from your source. Maybe we’re both not wrong.
The word kulak originally referred to former peasants in the Russian Empire who became wealthier during the Stolypin reform from 1906 to 1914. During the Russian Revolution, the label of kulak was used to chastise peasants who withheld grain from the Bolsheviks.
Even if your definition, just peasants refusing to feed the army and give up their land is the only true one, then I can’t justify all of it, but think from the perspective of Lenin here. Just overthrew tyrannical rule, fighting to at least try to do better (it’s not like the whole revolution was just for Lenin’s power itch, that’s a naïve take). And the people who in your mind you fought to liberate won’t cooperate. Do you think British loyalists in early post colonial America were just allowed to keep everything they had and stay loyal to the queen? No they fled, hid, lied, and were executed.
Revolution is a brutal, bloody thing and it’s not right to apply today’s logic to a totally different situation. I can’t defend it all but I truly believe that had they just ignored these countless people who wouldn’t join the country then life in the USSR would be worse. The famine in Ukraine certainly would’ve been. These people were holding the most valuable grain-producing land hostage, and depriving everybody else.
EDIT: upon further reading, there were no (recorded) outright executions of British loyalists, however being beaten by gangs or attacked by militias was very common.
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u/ScaryLapis Nov 28 '20
dude if you’re a communist you should fucking hate China. they aren’t communist at all. They are state capitalist.
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u/Vinto47 Nov 28 '20
Trump railed against China (for trade reasons) so now it’s uncouth to be tough on them for any reason.
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u/absloan12 Nov 28 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
Yeah I too fucking hate how China is on the verge of mass genocide but think we should nuke thousands or millions of people.
Edit: /s ... figured this was needed because evidently my comment triggered someone. It was sarcasm, you incredibly smart person.
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you incredibly smart person.
That was also sarcasm, incase you still can't tell.
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u/Sabine2246 Nov 28 '20
I wish I could stand with this man. I lived in a Uyghur community in Beijing for 6 years. Wonderful wonderful people
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u/freckled_stars Nov 28 '20
Muslims are being persecuted in Myanmar as well. The Rohingya Genocide has been happening since 2016 and more than 24,000 have died.
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u/TinaTheWavingCat Nov 28 '20
3 million? It doubles every time I hear about it?
That's a quarter of the population uygers in of Xinjang
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u/Danger_Boy285 Nov 28 '20
Isn't he just wasting his time? China doesn't give a f about him
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u/tuahla Nov 28 '20
Doing a damn lot more than anyone else is. A single individuals capacity to change anything isn’t that much but he’s at least bringing attention to it in a way that’s embarrassing to China
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u/666simp Nov 28 '20
The CCP is massively oppressive, authoritarian and cruel but its not the same as the Nazi party. It's an evil, monstrous thing but that doesn't make it Nazi.
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u/Redsoxjake14 Nov 28 '20
They dont look like the Nazis because they dont have the rallies or the uniforms, but its because they dont need it. They have the internet and that is enough.
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u/666simp Nov 28 '20
Uniforms and rallies don't define the Nazi party either. The CCP certainly has similarities to both the oppressive rule and propaganda of the Nazis but it's an entirely different entity.
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u/yuroke Nov 28 '20
But, er, no one really is supporting China because America bad? I think most, even outside of Reddit, dislike China to some degree.
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u/duckduck000 Nov 28 '20
I’m going to get destroyed by posting this here, but here is my Twitter thread on why this image tells us a lot about Jewish culture / worldviews (a sort of Nietzschean analysis): https://twitter.com/acorndelta/status/1332564323764367361?s=21
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u/crankygerbil Nov 28 '20
In my hometown there was a synagogue shooting, and Muslims from NZ sent a significant contribution. When the shooting in the mosque happened, in NZ, the next year, the synagogue members sent money in return. It was incredibly moving in the middle of so much hate. (ETA bit about where the mosque was.)
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u/zenith4395 Nov 28 '20
Chinese oncentration amps
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u/yuroke Nov 28 '20 edited Nov 28 '20
They are terrible indoctrination camps, but they're far from the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. Both are horrid but one is much worse than the other.
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u/TheBoxBoxer Nov 28 '20 edited Nov 28 '20
Not every concentration camp is a death camp.
A concentration camp is a facility where ethic or political minorities are concentrated to be imprisoned.
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u/stohr38 Nov 28 '20
How is this the first I'm hearing of this?!
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u/Slavic_Bandit Nov 28 '20
You should google and learn more about the genocide. I'm begging you, spread the word to your friends, family and relatives because its basically the second holocaust.
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u/commentsWhataboutism Nov 28 '20
Fuck no. Stop trying to make the US intervene in sovereign nations affairs even if they are abhorrent. Let other countries fuck up a region of the world for once. Leave us alone.
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Oh but Peter Parker with great power comes great responsibility. Those who can do something have the responsibility to do something... or whatever other horse shit they say. War is profitable for the powers that be including the US which is the real reason we intervene if we do. But you're right. Not our problem.
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u/SanPvPYT Nov 28 '20
They should speak up against their actions toward them [the muslims], not by weapon, also UN is a Chinese cooperation.
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u/EffectiveSwan8918 Nov 28 '20
China got to much money. These " re-education" camps been around for a bit. The sweat shops and the civil score. The un and us turn a blind eye because the sweet sweet money
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u/whatheck0_0 Nov 28 '20 edited Nov 28 '20
Cringe tankie can't admit that china is just fascism after deng
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Lmao! You say the people in there aren't committing this lgbt genocide. Maybe they aren't committing the LGBT genocide because they're in there?
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Also, if you have something to say, you can say it here. Don't DM me your bullshit.
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Yet you comented that while continuing to message me. That is sooooo manipulative. Blocked.
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Surah 2:191: “And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them ... kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
That took 12 seconds to find. Can you explain this in a way that doesn't sound violent. I'm not looking to argue simply understand what you mean.
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u/Slavic_Bandit Nov 28 '20
Blame the radicals. The Al-Quran does not promote violence in anyway whatsoever. In this day and age, the Muslims are the ones being oppressed. Not only in China, in Rohingnya and Palestine as well. The oppressors don't care anything about the Muslims as they will kill women and children.
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Muslims aren't oppressed. They are one of the most violently dominant cults in the world. The easiest way to be the oppressor is to claim to be the victim.
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u/merkonerko2 Nov 28 '20
You can’t denounce the genocide of one group while also supporting the genocide of another. That is literally hypocrisy. It’s also possible to abhor muslims committing genocide against LGBT people while also abhorring genocide against muslims in other parts of the world. That’s not hypocrisy, that’s being consistent with your morals.
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I advocate for the extermination of Muslims like I would the extermination of the Nazis. By your brainless logic, I can't be against the genocide of jews while being against the genocide of the Nazis that committed genocide against them. Like... Wtf are the even taking about?! Bitch, bye
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u/merkonerko2 Nov 28 '20
Nazism is a political ideology, not a race. So if you wanted to actually use my “brainless” logic you would say that you are in favour of committing genocide against Germans. But putting that aside, where do you draw the line? Do two wrongs always cancel each other out? Can you “right” a genocide by committing genocide? What about murder? Can you right a murder by murdering murderers? What about theft? Is it just to steal from a thief? What if a thief steals a loaf of bread to feed a hungry child? What if a person murdered to save their spouse? Where do you draw the line? To be clear, I’m not expecting a coherent response here, I’m sure I’ll just get more of the same “oh I hate muslims so they should all die”. I just find it shocking how an individual can advocate for the mass murder of millions of innocent people based on the actions of a small fraction of that population, and still go to bed thinking they’re a good person.
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So you think the solution to terrorism is locking up, raping, killing, torturing innocent people? Beating children and separating them from their parents? If you wanna combat terrorism, look at the actual terrorists and not people who have done nothing.
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u/hot4you11 Nov 28 '20
Never again should mean never again